Former Ron staffer: "Rand Must Denounce His Father To Win The Nomination"

Ron is so much better than Rand. And the comparison to someone who denied the Holocaust and wanted to deport Muslims is ridiculous. If American voters are this stupid, we are doomed. (Yes, I know that "if" should possibly be removed.)
 
Matt Collins said:
According to the author in the OP, he thinks it would be a net gain because Rand would gain many more votes than he would lose.
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Rand needs to denounce former staffers like this guy and Jesse Benton. Seriously my biggest worry for Rand 2016 is that Rand doesn't jettison Benton soon enough and right at the wrong time Benton gets dragged down by the pay for endorsement scandal. But if Rand takes Rasmussen's advice (any relation to Rasmussen reports?) any support I might have given him will go to another doctor that may be running. This is about the only thing Rand could do to lose my vote, but he would lose it for sure. Considering that the people Rand might pull from this stunt might be leaning this other doctor's way anyway, loss of Ron's supporters could tip the balance against Rand. Rand needs to keep that in mind.
 
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At this point I have decided that Rand can do whatever he needs to do and say whatever he needs to say in order to have a better shot of winning the nomination.

He'll get my vote no matter what he does, or whatever he says...You all need to have faith in him that he will govern like his father would if elected....and make the same decisions his father would as president.

That is all I want....that he governs like his father would and veto all the trash Congress sends him.
 
qh4dotcom said:
At this point I have decided that Rand can do whatever he needs to do and say whatever he needs to say in order to have a better shot of winning the nomination.

He'll get my vote no matter what he does, or whatever he says...You all need to have faith in him that he will govern like his father would if elected....and make the same decisions his father would as president.

That is all I want....that he governs like his father would and veto all the trash Congress sends him.
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You know, that's what Obama supporters told me when I told them that Obama wouldn't set a date to get us out of Iraq and promised to expand the Afghan war. And after Obama did exactly that, and invaded Libya and is now attacking (kinda) Syria, those same supporters say "But he got us out of Iraq!" Never mind the fact that he didn't get us out a day sooner than Bush promised.

Sorry. I voiced concerns about the viability of Rand's "stealth strategy" before anyone else even knew about it. I was sorely attacked for it. Then...finally...people realized I was right. Then I went into (and I still am in) "Rand has to do this to win. Given him some leeway." And I'm willing to do that. But I'm not going to sit idly by while some loser goads Rand into doing the one thing that would lose him my respect and my vote. Remember. Rand hasn't done this unthinkably vile act yet. But if all of us say "Oh it's okay Rand. Do what you must. We will always support you." Well...he just might. The folks within the Ron Paul movement that have been working hard to get rid of the "undesireables" are the some folks behind the Kent Sorenson scandal. They are the biggest threat to Rand/Ron Paul Inc, not the "cranks".
 
qh4dotcom said:
At this point I have decided that Rand can do whatever he needs to do and say whatever he needs to say in order to have a better shot of winning the nomination.

He'll get my vote no matter what he does, or whatever he says...You all need to have faith in him that he will govern like his father would if elected....and make the same decisions his father would as president.

That is all I want....that he governs like his father would and veto all the trash Congress sends him.
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Someone who would throw a loving parent under the bus for political gain isn't someone who has the testicular fortitude to govern the way I'd like, jmho.
 
Deborah K said:
So you think it's a bad plan then? Well good on you!
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I was referring to post #7


I have not formed an opinion on the OP yet... Obviously I dont want Rand to "renounce" Ron as the OP recommends, but it remains to be seen to me if such a "renouncement" would be necessary in order for Rand to win.

My guess is that if attacks tying Rand to some of Ron's more non-mainstream views are successful, Rand may be forced to do a "hard renouncement" or risk losing the nomination... time (and polling) will tell.
 
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Suzanimal said:
Someone who would throw a loving parent under the bus for political gain isn't someone who has the testicular fortitude to govern the way I'd like, jmho.
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Let's phrase this another way.... would you be willing to "renounce" your parents' views in order to have a chance to reverse statism nationwide?
 
Matt Collins said:
I was referring to post #7


I have not formed an opinion on the OP yet... Obviously I dont want Rand to "renounce" Ron as the OP recommends, but it remains to be seen to me if such a "renouncement" would be necessary in order for Rand to win.

My guess is that if attacks tying Rand to some of Ron's more non-mainstream views are successful, Rand may be forced to do a "hard renouncement" or risk losing the nomination... time (and polling) will tell.
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You mean post 6? I thought you were referring to the article. Obviously you think he should try to win at all costs. Sad really. Sell your soul to the devil so that you can be a light in the world. No thanks.
 
Matt Collins said:
Let's phrase this another way.... would you be willing to "renounce" your parents' views in order to have a chance to reverse statism nationwide?
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Since when has a President reversed anything that has come down the pike in the last several decades?

And let's be clear here. This is isn't about denouncing his Dad's fringe opinions. It's about renouncing him altogether. You're sidestepping now.
 
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Suzanimal said:
Someone who would throw a loving parent under the bus for political gain isn't someone who has the testicular fortitude to govern the way I'd like, jmho.
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I will accept his apology as president....I don't care...I want liberty
 
Matt Collins said:
When have we ever had a President like Ron or Rand Paul? Calvin Coolidge was the only one who comes close.
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How can you, in all good conscience, believe that a man running for president "erecting a firewall between himself and his Father" (The founding father of our movement no less) is good for the country???? It's a complete contradiction for what we're supposed to stand for. Is nothing sacred anymore?
 
Media trying to stir up crap is all this is. You can bet every word out of Ron Paul's mouth will have some dumb blogger "demanding" to know if Rand Paul believes it too. If I was Rand Paul, I'd just ignore it, the media doesn't hold any other politician to this ridiculous standard.
 
Matt Collins said:
Let's phrase this another way.... would you be willing to "renounce" your parents' views in order to have a chance to reverse statism nationwide?
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Would I? Absolutely. But my parents aren't Ron Paul.

My dad is roughly where Rand Paul is ideologically (assuming Rand's statements can be taken at face value), my mom doesn't really have strong political views. I don't associate with either of them in a political sense.

No, I wouldn't get up in front of people and say "I'm more statist than Ron Paul" in order to get elected. Which is effectively what Ron is being told to do. Ron isn't even an "anarchist." I am.
 
Matt Collins said:
Let's phrase this another way.... would you be willing to "renounce" your parents' views in order to have a chance to reverse statism nationwide?
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If those views were my own? No. No I would not. I could possibly see myself taking a more nuanced position as Rand did with the CRA. Some would say Rand "flip flopped" on the CRA, but actually he never said he would have voted against it. (I watched it again just to be sure.) That's different, however, for Rand coming out and saying "I can't believe anyone could have ever been against the CRA and anyone who did is a racist!" Even though I don't have this bone to pick with the CRA that some people do (I really think the problem is the FDR Supreme Court cases that preceded it), such an attack on Ron I just couldn't tolerate. And to me that's what "renounce" means. Rand has already differentiated his positions from Ron quite a bit.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
I don't see it happening, but what this does do is it demonstrates what many of us have been saying for a long time: Ron Paul was pure gold, but the people he hired to run his campaigns were mostly crap.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GunnyFreedom again
 
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