Forget the US Senate race in Kentucky. Time to win state seats....

[TaftFan]

The same David Adams who worked against Massie and sent the smear job to the media about Hightower.

Also, Bevin maxed to Rand after the race was already won. His September donation was after all the polls showed Rand was going to win. I also notice he donated the same amount to Mitt Romney.

I see no evidence Adams worked against Massie and I am friends with him on Facebook. He is a hard core liberty guy.

And why would Bevin just waste his money if it wasn't going to help Rand? Makes no sense at all.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

He has ties to The Southern Theological Seminary which I have philosophical differences with and many of the leaders there were vocal for Santorum.

The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary is not a political organization, its just a religious one and should have no effect on his Senate campaign. I knew someone who went there who was probably the first Conservative I met who wasn't a Neocon.

 

[TaftFan]

Adams gushes over Massie, 3:00.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

I don't think I ever said don't vote for him. I said don't waste your time campaigning and donating. Also, I won't vote for him. He's not a good candidate. Lastly, I voted Gary Johnson because I actually agreed with most of his positions. I find it hilarious people are offended someone would actually challenge Bevin who is not a liberty candidate.

Your signature clearly says: "Don't vote"

 

[Brian4Liberty]

One link he has to answer for.... his group that endorsed him is attacking Mitch over the Hemp Bill: http://madisonproject.com/2014/01/farm-bill-and-the-power-of-logrolling/

I tend to agree with that article. Mitch playing election year games doesn't impress me.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

I see no evidence Adams worked against Massie and I am friends with him on Facebook. He is a hard core liberty guy.

And why would Bevin just waste his money if it wasn't going to help Rand? Makes no sense at all.

David Adams is the scum of the Earth. He was known by those who worked (payroll) for Massie that he was ghost writing stuff for Boone County Judge-Executive Gary Moore. He is also the guy who threw Rand under the bus and had Mica Sims write an anti-Rand piece over the Moffet campaign down the 2010 election cycle stretch. Not to mention the emails I have personally seen where he sent smears about Hightower to get him in trouble with the campaign. He is toxic and it's why no one with sense will ever hire him and why he was fired from Rand's staff (something anyone near the situation knows happened). He is a selfish self promoting prick.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary is not a political organization, its just a religious one and should have no effect on his Senate campaign. I knew someone who went there who was probably the first Conservative I met who wasn't a Neocon.

Cool story bro. It is VERY political.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Your signature clearly says: "Don't vote"

True. Just my view, not my command.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

I tend to agree with that article. Mitch playing election year games doesn't impress me.

There were more than that with links. Someone want to match up how a liberty candidate would stand with Blumenthal, Greg Fischer, Wendy Caswell and since people lost their minds with Rand endorsing Romney how do they square private citizen Bevin dropping the max to Mitt Romney?

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Adams gushes over Massie, 3:00.

This is David Adams: http://nkyreporter.blogspot.com/

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Cool story bro. It is VERY political.

On their Wikipedia page the only political thing I could find was desegregating the University in 1951 and allowing MLK jr. to speak there.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

On their Wikipedia page the only political thing I could find was desegregating the University in 1951 and allowing MLK jr. to speak there.

If your source is wikipedia then how could you ever be wrong.

http://www.sbts.edu/blog/2012/02/29/the-santorum-predicament-a-sign-of-the-times/

 

[Brian4Liberty]

No links?

The following thread was for evaluation of Bevin. You should have participated if you had input:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?430728-Campaign-Evaluation-Matt-Bevin-(U-S-Senate-R-KY)

Perhaps we need an evaluation thread for Mitch too?

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Perhaps we need an evaluation thread for Mitch too?

Yup. Since he's endorsed by Massie and Rand I can ram that as well. There are zero candidates.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

If your source is wikipedia then how could you ever be wrong.

http://www.sbts.edu/blog/2012/02/29/the-santorum-predicament-a-sign-of-the-times/

Does not amount to an endorsement. The purpose of the Seminary is mostly to train preachers/missionaries.

Anyway, I just got some Bevin signs, bumper stickers, flyers, and more!

 

[TheTyke]

To compare Bevin to Santorum is quite simply a smear. I started out very skeptical of him (as I always am of politicians) but after many weeks of investigation and rumination, came to the conclusion he was closer to being a liberty candidate than anyone I could've expected. It does seem very puzzling that Bama would trot out the establishment talking points on RPF, especially ones that are so easily debunked, right as the race is heating up. But a few of them he did invent before Mitch adopted them.

The poll numbers are closing and excitement is evident on the ground. Gun Owners of America, Freedom Works, Senate Conservative Fund, just about all the Tea Parties and many of the original Ron Paul liberty activists in the state are already supporting Matt. Rand staffer and Northern KY liberty heavyweight Bernie Kunkel left his job to help Bevin because he considers the race was viable and important. So when comparing all that to the tone, talking points and voting record of the opposition... it should be pretty clear who the good guy is in the race. Winning this race would shake Washington to its core, and weaken the establishment's reputation, more than just about any other race.

And hopefully a strong head of the ticket will also help other great state candidates like Jenean Hampton, Alan Claypool, Gerardo Serrano and more get in. (We've got a lot this year!) A rising tide lifts all ships. Instead of doing the establishment's work trying to sink some of our ships in vain hopes the crew will swim to our favorite ones - let's promote those we believe in most and wish for the best for ALL liberty efforts.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

To compare Bevin to Santorum is quite simply a smear. I started out very skeptical of him (as I always am of politicians) but after many weeks of investigation and rumination, came to the conclusion he was closer to being a liberty candidate than anyone I could've expected. It does seem very puzzling that Bama would trot out the establishment talking points on RPF, especially ones that are so easily debunked, right as the race is heating up. But a few of them he did invent before Mitch adopted them.

The poll numbers are closing and excitement is evident on the ground. Gun Owners of America, Freedom Works, Senate Conservative Fund, just about all the Tea Parties and many of the original Ron Paul liberty activists in the state are already supporting Matt. Rand staffer and Northern KY liberty heavyweight Bernie Kunkel left his job to help Bevin because he considers the race was viable and important. So when comparing all that to the tone, talking points and voting record of the opposition... it should be pretty clear who the good guy is in the race. Winning this race would shake Washington to its core, and weaken the establishment's reputation, more than just about any other race.

And hopefully a strong head of the ticket will also help other great state candidates like Jenean Hampton, Alan Claypool, Gerardo Serrano and more get in. (We've got a lot this year!) A rising tide lifts all ships. Instead of doing the establishment's work trying to sink some of our ships in vain hopes the crew will swim to our favorite ones - let's promote those we believe in most and wish for the best for ALL liberty efforts.

You really refuted a bunch of my points. Also, saying I 'invented' facts is quite comical. The ability to read is not the process of inventing.

Bevin can bamboozle some. Just like David Adams. I talked to a friend before he passed away who was very studious of the Commonwealth. To remove a man like Mitch is a very needed to do but, to do it with a lesser evil who is younger and fit is a stupid thing to do. Bevin is no better than Andy Barr and Brett Guthrie.

(FOR ANYONE READING, Tyke knows I'd have his back should he run for office again) I have no doubt on Tyke's credentials and respect his passion, even if I think it's misguided on a few candidates.

 

[TheTyke]

Also, saying I 'invented' facts is quite comical. The ability to read is not the process of inventing.

Was just saying you weren't entirely copying the establishment talking points, they were also copying you. Though I disagree with the conclusions and think repeating them benefits the establishment, that part was aiming for levity... apologies that it came across wrong...

Bevin can bamboozle some. Just like David Adams. I talked to a friend before he passed away who was very studious of the Commonwealth. To remove a man like Mitch is a very needed to do but, to do it with a lesser evil who is younger and fit is a stupid thing to do. Bevin is no better than Andy Barr and Brett Guthrie.

I shared the same concern. When analyzing the race and candidates, the two biggest drawbacks I saw were: 1) People unwisely dividing against Rand because of his early endorsement, and 2) The chance of replacing Mitch with a younger version of himself. But I came to the conclusion that 2 wasn't true, and would do my best to counteract 1. And so apparently did Bernie, Kentucky Kate, Take Back Kentucky, and the old liberty crew who attended the Rally for the Republic and others... all of whom are exceedingly cautious people and skeptical of politicians. And again the candidates comparisons are flawed - Guthrie or Barr would never dare run against McConnell it'd never even cross their minds! They'd meekly do whatever the establishment ordered. And they also won't even promise to require constitutional declarations of war, or oppose the NSA, PATRIOT Act, Syria war... while Bevin answers straight up what he believes, and has championed the liberty position on those and many other issues. Like Santorum, Guthrie and Barr just aren't even in the same ballpark, and as someone who has studied all those people with great detail, it's mind-boggling to hear.

So yes, the conclusions we've reached are different. I've concluded Bevin is sincere, close to liberty, and the real deal. And since we agree it's so important to remove Mitch, if Bevin IS the real deal, we've got to go all out. If he went Bentivolio on us, I'd drop him like a hot potato and work just as hard to unelect him if we had a better candidate. I wouldn't have bothered with all this effort or even refuting posts online if I saw any great possibility that he was a trojan horse. And this could seriously crack the establishment's power... This year Mitch, and in 2016 Guthrie, Barr, Whitfield and Rogers if they don't get wise and start voting the way we want them to. And that's NOT to overlook local candidates either. We've got great ones this year. Excitement over a higher office activates more people, it's not some evil force taking away from local candidates. Ron Paul's runs for president activated millions... though some could always wish his $35 million went to local candidates instead, it simply would never have been donated if he didn't run.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Yup. Since he's endorsed by Massie and Rand I can ram that as well. There are zero candidates.

I understand there are other considerations and log-rolling for KY politicians. Luckily, those trade-offs don't have to effect the grassroots.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Was just saying you weren't entirely copying the establishment talking points, they were also copying you. Though I disagree with the conclusions and think repeating them benefits the establishment, that part was aiming for levity... apologies that it came across wrong...



I shared the same concern. When analyzing the race and candidates, the two biggest drawbacks I saw were: 1) People unwisely dividing against Rand because of his early endorsement, and 2) The chance of replacing Mitch with a younger version of himself. But I came to the conclusion that 2 wasn't true, and would do my best to counteract 1. And so apparently did Bernie, Kentucky Kate, Take Back Kentucky, and the old liberty crew who attended the Rally for the Republic and others... all of whom are exceedingly cautious people and skeptical of politicians. And again the candidates comparisons are flawed - Guthrie or Barr would never dare run against McConnell it'd never even cross their minds! They'd meekly do whatever the establishment ordered. And they also won't even promise to require constitutional declarations of war, or oppose the NSA, PATRIOT Act, Syria war... while Bevin answers straight up what he believes, and has championed the liberty position on those and many other issues. Like Santorum, Guthrie and Barr just aren't even in the same ballpark, and as someone who has studied all those people with great detail, it's mind-boggling to hear.

So yes, the conclusions we've reached are different. I've concluded Bevin is sincere, close to liberty, and the real deal. And since we agree it's so important to remove Mitch, if Bevin IS the real deal, we've got to go all out. If he went Bentivolio on us, I'd drop him like a hot potato and work just as hard to unelect him if we had a better candidate. I wouldn't have bothered with all this effort or even refuting posts online if I saw any great possibility that he was a trojan horse. And this could seriously crack the establishment's power... This year Mitch, and in 2016 Guthrie, Barr, Whitfield and Rogers if they don't get wise and start voting the way we want them to. And that's NOT to overlook local candidates either. We've got great ones this year. Excitement over a higher office activates more people, it's not some evil force taking away from local candidates. Ron Paul's runs for president activated millions... though some could always wish his $35 million went to local candidates instead, it simply would never have been donated if he didn't run.

I'm really only going to reply to the bold because we are too far apart on Bevin's credentials. My only statement on Bevin is the people who jump to say people are 'Working for Mitch' for finding flaws to big in their own eyes to support. Ron did activate people. Yes, people get excited on the big races. Yet, I sit here and watch places like NH where liberty folks (which a former Rand Paul staffer is helping organize) are winning state seats en mass. Other places as well. We have to start a focus lower to get the upper seats. Massie did that with Judge Exec. I know guys like Matt Collins and sometimes yourself say "Look at Rand" but, Rand would have had zero money in his campaign if his name wasn't Paul and less votes if it wasn't for a guy named Obama in office and his running during the Tea Party. Yes, he also had a great ground game. All those factors helped him win and you should know, that is highly difficult to recreate. It's why working the state house races and taking over county parties is where it has to start.