FORGET 2016; here's why:

anyone downplaying the imminence and seriousness of the crisis doesn't understand nearly enough about economics

The England riots proved that the problem goes much deeper than anyone is comfortable to admit. All western nations have created permanent underclasses of significant size with absolutely zero stake in the status quo.
 
thoughtomator said:
anyone downplaying the imminence and seriousness of the crisis doesn't understand nearly enough about economics

The England riots proved that the problem goes much deeper than anyone is comfortable to admit. All western nations have created permanent underclasses of significant size with absolutely zero stake in the status quo.
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True. Far too many people are looking for a "smoking gun" or treating this like it will be a sudden shift based on one single event. That's not (generally) how things work.

For those who say "it won't/can't happen" I say to you this it's already happening. The econ is continuing to shake itself apart on a global scale (due to current and standing US policy this very very much effects our struggling econ). The civilian police forces have been being trained by private mercenaries (for example blackwarter in Idaho) and becoming more and more violent in their rules of engagement to the point where Combat Veterans coming home are finding disturbing similarities between home and what they saw while deployed. (this from personal recounts I've heard from enlisted folks)
The executive branch has seized assassination powers in violation of constitutional and international law, the "Patriot" Act stripped so many aspects of our legal rights/protections I won't even try to summarize. NDAA puts a bullet in the precepts of the Magna Carta (can debate about where the bullet struck, but there's no question about shots fired). ACTA/OPEN are round two of censorship codified (successor's of SOPA/PIPA). Then there are things like the laws to strip citizenship from nationals and those that are poised to block freedom of assembly. Also TSA checkpoints on highways (so now you can be searched without even having there be a claim of probable cause). The whole "if you see something say something" protocol from the DHS (you know the folks who consider you suspicious if you pay in cash and who refuse to allow their standards for identifying criminal (terrorist) behaviors be open to review -- so ignorance of the law is no excuse and you can be detained based on suspicion as defined by standards you're never allowed to even see ). The list goes on...

It's not "if we don't have Ron elected now the nation will fall apart", it's things are going from bad to WORSE right now and Dr. Paul is the only candidate who would actually try to stop it. You don't believe the nation is worse off now than it was years back? Sit down with a WWII vet and ask him if he thinks we've maintained the principals he fought (and his friends/brothers died) to defend? I've only heard a few speak on this subject but every single one has unequivocally indited the current (as in last 3 terms+ ) federal policy as failing to uphold the America they fought for (and that's without even going into "social issues" or the economy).

If you put a frog in a pot of water and slowly increase the temperature the frog will boil without ever trying to get out of the water.
The Status Quo is banking on the idea that the average US (and EU for that matter) citizen won't be any more savvy or proactive than a frog... the question is will there be enough of us to prove them wrong in a meaningful way?
 
Suzu said:
Ron Paul is fighting to put an end to the kind of thing you will see in the clip below, and if we fail to support him now, there will most likely be nothing left to resurrect in four years! This happened yesterday in D.C.


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This is what Im trying to tell people.

Patriot Act, TSA VIPER teams, NDAA, SOPA (yes it will be signed into law), HR 347... who else is going to overturn this sh*t?

After the collapse and or gradual implosion of the economy, the dystopic police state will only grow as civil unrest mounts.
 
Why is everyone caught up in trying to speculate when this collapse will actually occur? The fact that it will inevitably happen based on our current actions should be enough to light a fire under everyone's asses.
 
Constitutional Paulicy said:
Why is everyone caught up in trying to speculate when this collapse will actually occur? The fact that it will inevitably happen based on our current actions should be enough to light a fire under everyone's asses.
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Because some people aren't seeing what's in front of their faces and are trying to label everyone as conspiracy theorists.

It's no joke. Many people know that we are nearing the brink of ruin.
 
Okie RP fan said:
Because some people aren't seeing what's in front of their faces and are trying to label everyone as conspiracy theorists.

It's no joke. Many people know that we are nearing the brink of ruin.
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I hear ya when it comes to the average American. But on this forum it seems we a merely preaching to the choir. I don't hear anyone doubting its inevitability, I just hear some saying it will happen a bit later than sooner. Even the case estimate of "Decades" is frightening enough for me.
 
I try to talk to people about the concept of "peak oil" (that point at which more of the worlds petroleum resources have been extracted than remain to be extracted, aka threshold of diminishing returns) and get called a "conspiracy theorist" for that :rolleyes: (protip: it's an excepted concept among people working in the oil industry)

Lots of folks just seem unable or unwilling to reconcile themselves to the simple fact that things will fall apart on the present course, that simply put these methods are not viable in any long term context (and the real bite, that the longer 'paying the piper' on these bubbles and schemes is put off the greater the price will be when the tally comes down)
 
PolicyReader said:
I try to talk to people about the concept of "peak oil" (that point at which more of the worlds petroleum resources have been extracted than remain to be extracted, aka threshold of diminishing returns) and get called a "conspiracy theorist" for that :rolleyes: (protip: it's an excepted concept among people working in the oil industry)
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"protip" is not a word, and "excepted" in this context means "excluded".

BTW crude oil is being created constantly under the ground. You need to stop listening to misinformation.
 
Constitutional Paulicy said:
But on this forum it seems we a merely preaching to the choir. I don't hear anyone doubting its inevitability, I just hear some saying it will happen a bit later than sooner.
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I dunno man, people seem all mellow about everything. Im not saying that anyone should pull their hair out and run around in circles screaming but if Ron Paul doesnt get into the White House, things are going to get much much worse.

The Constitution and our rights which it was meant to protect will be a thing of the past.
 
How much time do we have left? That is just dependent on what an individual constitutes as the point where the govt has went too far. For me I believe the shot that went too far was on Jan 1 2012 when the NDAA was passed into law, look how things have sped up in these past 3 months.
The OP's video was the first blatant declaration to show who is in control, The executive branch not Congress. Rep Jones shot back at this blatant attack on Congress, I do not know his reasoning on why he shot back, but he did.

Also something interesting to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL5hqvTWkYg \
Who knows where this fraud goes, info relating to this 15trillion scheme is hard to find on the web.
 
Suzu said:
"protip" is not a word, and "excepted" in this context means "excluded".

BTW crude oil is being created constantly under the ground. You need to stop listening to misinformation.
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I've heard people say that about oil before. If that's the case then why aren't we drilling in the U.S.?
 
Suzu said:
"protip" is not a word, and "excepted" in this context means "excluded".

BTW crude oil is being created constantly under the ground. You need to stop listening to misinformation.
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"protip" is gamer slang (wrong section of the internet I suppose :p) rate of consumption >>> rate of creation, I've read more than one study on this and friends of the family have worked on projects as diverse and gulf rigs and field operation/restoration over in Iraq Kwait(sp?)
Statements in general still stand there is no such thing as 'limitless' oil.
That having been said I'm always open to more info, if you'd care to provide links to studies which show data to the contrary I'll be happy to read them and consider the data given (such is my way). Until such a time however I see no reason to alter the perceptions gained by talking to the people I know + my own research in the field.
 
unknown said:
...Patriot Act, TSA VIPER teams, NDAA, SOPA (yes it will be signed into law), HR 347... who else is going to overturn this sh*t?
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It sure as hell is NOT going to be these guys...
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PolicyReader said:
"protip" is gamer slang (wrong section of the internet I suppose :p) rate of consumption >>> rate of creation, I've read more than one study on this and friends of the family have worked on projects as diverse and gulf rigs and field operation/restoration over in Iraq Kwait(sp?)
Statements in general still stand there is no such thing as 'limitless' oil.
That having been said I'm always open to more info, if you'd care to provide links to studies which show data to the contrary I'll be happy to read them and consider the data given (such is my way). Until such a time however I see no reason to alter the perceptions gained by talking to the people I know + my own research in the field.
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Peak oil is a myth, whether promoted by your friends, or research you have read. If anything, more reserves are being found than are being depleted:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/giles/giles38.1.html
 
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