FORGET 2016; here's why:

^ ^ Who is this troll? I guess $15.5 trillion in debt isn't a big enough sign for you, huh?


We must keep pressure on ALL of our congressmen, state AND federal.

We must continue to educate our fellow citizens and urge them to become active.

We need to hold off ruin as long as we can.
 
So, how long until the Military starts looking for a "legal basis" to engage in wars without the consent of the president?
 
Isn't that the point? Our military marches to the orders of an international community rather than the people who pay for it. Our country? Our money? Their military?

Unfortunately, much of our congress is just fine with that and WON'T represent us unless they are badgered.

They will be more likely to posture and pretend to disapprove IF they know we are paying attention to them and what is going on.
 
2008 RPF members: 'That's it, we're doomed. There won't even be a country in 2012!'
2012 RPF members: 'That's it, we're doomed. There won't even be a country in 2016!'

Entitlements and interest on the national debt will eat up the ENTIRE federal budget by 2025. And that's IF the Fed can manage to keep interest rates at current levels. The report that deals with this was co-chaired by a former Federal Reserve vice-chair, not the Free Market Institute for Draconian Cuts, Fear Mongering, and Kicking Grandma to the Curb. And it doesn't mean that U.S. can we til 2025 and then fix the problem, something will have to happen before and it may not happen voluntarily:
Moreover, by 2025, federal revenues will be completely consumed by the combination of interest payments, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. The Treasury will have to borrow money to finance all of its other obligations – including defense, homeland security, law enforcement, food and drug inspection and other vital operations. These projections are based on fairly moderate assumptions about future interest rates. The nation’s outlook will grow far more ominous if America’s creditors lose confidence in the federal government’s commitment to address its debt problem – which will increase interest rates. A loss of confidence in the markets could also send the value of the dollar plunging overseas, which could trigger runaway inflation and still higher interest rates.
Rising debt and rising interest costs could evolve into a “death spiral,” with the two feeding off one another in an ever-more vicious cycle. No one knows when such a catastrophe might occur, but no prudent nation would put itself at such risk.

Even without a crisis, rising debt will increase our reliance on foreign lenders, raising a host of other economic and national security issues. Already, more than half of U.S. federal debt is foreign-owned and China is the largest foreign holder.
 
I know you are rooting for a total collapse of this country, but it is not going to happen. Have fun stockpiling your water and ammo, shutting yourself off from society (nothing new) but realize that months later you will emerge looking all pale and being laughed at even more than usual.

I am reminded of a few years ago when someone on this board talked about how he decided to clean out his emergency shelter that he stocked the LAST time Ron Paul said the country was about to collapse. HE said that was 1995. Yup...right before one of hte biggest economic BOOMS the country has had in several generations, this guy ws stocking up for doomsday.

Reality is going to bitch slap you in the very near future
 
I'm confused as to why certain people here are on Ron Paul forums when you don't understand the situation we are in or how dire it truly is.
It's been stated many times that this is different. You can only rack up so much debt before it comes tumbling down on your head.

What exactly do YOU think is going to happen? Everything will be fine simply because they've been able to maintain somewhat of an illusion for a long time now? It has to end eventually and everything points to that being soon. Jesus christ everyone is so quick to shit on others.
 
And since 2008 we've seen:

-the economy crash

-ObamaCare

-NDAA

-Internet giants like YouTube and Google saying they'll censor content if the government asks them to

-And now just yesterday this development


There's not much left for them to do except to really start pouring on the tyranny...

And yet none of it completely destroyed the country.

This idea that the world will end if Ron doesn't get elected has been spread by who else but... RON PAUL.

It's a fallacy and even he knows it, he's spreading the idea so people stay active in campaigning and while it's quite brilliant its also very detrimental to the bigger picture.

This country has decades left, not years, that's more than enough time to take back the GOP and restore freedom to this country.

The second Ron is out of the race he'll be saying the same thing.

Rome lasted almost 5 more centuries after Cicero died...

Years? We've got decades folks, never forget the big picture...
 
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And yet none of it completely destroyed the country.

This idea that the world will end if Ron doesn't get elected has been spread by who else but... RON PAUL.

It's a fallacy and even he knows it, he's spreading the idea so people stay active in campaigning and while it's quite brilliant its also very detrimental to the bigger picture.

This country has decades left, not years, that's more than enough time to take back the GOP and restore freedom to this country.

The second Ron is out of the race he'll be saying the same thing.

Rome lasted almost 5 more centuries after Cicero died...

Years? We've got decades folks, never forget the big picture...

Funny, because even Senators such as Tom Coburn have stated that if we keep at the rate we are going fiscally, we have around 5 years left.
 
And yet none of it completely destroyed the country.

This idea that the world will end if Ron doesn't get elected has been spread by who else but... RON PAUL.

It's a fallacy and even he knows it, he's spreading the idea so people stay active in campaigning and while it's quite brilliant its also very detrimental to the bigger picture.

This country has decades left, not years, that's more than enough time to take back the GOP and restore freedom to this country.

The second Ron is out of the race he'll be saying the same thing.

Rome last almost 5 more centuries after Cicero died... years? We've got decades folks, never forget the big picture.

You are wrong. This nation may have been past saving even in 2008, forget about 2012. This nation may not have years left, it could be months or even weeks. Ron Paul is not fear monger for profit, he is speaking the truth here. The nation is teetering on the edge of a cliff right now.
 
You are wrong. This nation may have been past saving even in 2008, forget about 2012. This nation may not have years left, it could be months or even weeks. Ron Paul is not fear monger for profit, he is speaking the truth here. The nation is teetering on the edge of a cliff right now.

I agree that we are headed for perilous times, but that doesn't mean the country will be completely destroyed. We survived the Civil War after all.
 
This idea that the world will end if Ron doesn't get elected has been spread by who else but... RON PAUL.
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Years? We've got decades folks, never forget the big picture...
Ron Paul could be wrong. He has never claimed to have all the answers. He hopes we have time, and he may say we do, but that doesn't make it true.
 
I know it can be tempting to hear and believe the reports of how we can't win. Even worse, you can listen to the professional political class tell you that ideas, the grassroots, and the future do not matter. They rarely say it directly, but their message to you and me from Day One has been - if you cannot win it all this year, you shouldn't even try. It can be tempting to question whether or not all the hard work is worth it.

From Ron himself, in the message he just sent out 3 hours ago.

Amazing how quickly the tone changes and how quickly they'll start to make this about the bigger picture.

If you seriously think that it's all coming to an end in less than 4 years than you might as well move to a lake near Canada and stockpile on guns, ammo, and food.

Apparently you're all apart of the political class that claims we have no future so we should stop...
 
Well the OP is a 2007 RPF member. :confused:

Early 2007.

If you beat a rug long enough, it will become threadbare, and soon it won't be a rug anymore. Well, the USA is a rug, and it's been beaten for 100 years and is now in tatters.
 
"IF we don't elect Ron Paul this year, IT'S ALL OVER, THERE WILL BE NO NEXT YEAR"

- random Paul voters circa 1988, 2008, 2012



Or, you know, call me crazy, you could work to elect additional liberty advocates into state and federal government so we won't have this problem.
 
Apparently you're all apart of the political class that claims we have no future so we should stop...
I am saying precisely the OPPOSITE of what you claim here. And I don't even know what the phrase "political class" means.
 
The term 'destroyed' when referring to America obviously doesn't mean that our nation will literally explode causing all of us to die [at least I hope it doesn't]. What most of the people on this forum are referring to is the collapse of our economy. I mean, of-course its unlikely that it is reduced to rubble anytime soon, and the sun will still rise and set, birds will still chirp ect, ect.

When people attack others on here, and mock them for being doomsday type people, I think its wrong. The reason being; its clearly obvious that Panetta has no regard for the constitution. He ACTUALLY just said the U.S. military is prepared to act on orders from N.A.T.O. and the U.N. regardless of whether or not the U.S. congress authorizes it.

So let's sum up all the nations that we have invaded, bombed, or threatened to invade/bomb in the last ten years, none of which we have declared war on:

-Afghanistan
-Iraq
-Libya
-Sudan
-Bosnia
-Yugoslavia
-Somalia
-Pakistan
-Yemen [ not verified, reports of a secret aerial bombing campaign by some people]
- Phillipines

+ Syria [Threats]
+ Iran [Threats]
+ North Korea [Threats]

These are what I could think of off the top of my head, who knows how many more 'campaigns' we are involved in. Also, I don't support Iran having nukes, but if you were the leader of Iran, just looking at the list above and knowing what happens to those who don't fully cooperate with the U.N.'s agenda, would you desperately try and come up with a means to at-least get an ace of spades? Again, I understand Iran says some ridiculously stupid things that don't help their cause, but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize why these countries would feel threatened.
 
I agree that we are headed for perilous times, but that doesn't mean the country will be completely destroyed. We survived the Civil War after all.

The civil war will seem like a minor battle compared to WW3 and the total destruction of the dollar and the manufacturing base in this nation.
 
The civil war will seem like a minor battle compared to WW3 and the total destruction of the dollar and the manufacturing base in this nation.
Your choice of wording implies that you mean those events are still to come. But they are underway as we speak.
 
And yet none of it completely destroyed the country.

This idea that the world will end if Ron doesn't get elected has been spread by who else but... RON PAUL.

It's a fallacy and even he knows it, he's spreading the idea so people stay active in campaigning and while it's quite brilliant its also very detrimental to the bigger picture.

This country has decades left, not years, that's more than enough time to take back the GOP and restore freedom to this country.

The second Ron is out of the race he'll be saying the same thing.

Rome lasted almost 5 more centuries after Cicero died...

Years? We've got decades folks, never forget the big picture...

LOL decades?? Man some people on this forum will never wake up
 
Wow they dont even lie anymore, they blatantly state they dont need congress. I always thought Congress should have their own army/police to check the President's.

They do...Its called the militia. However, there are only a few thousand that are trained and prepared nation wide.

TMike
 
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