Gary Johnson For the Gary Johnson Fans

[69360]

I have no idea how people who believe in liberty and justice can be GJ fans, unless they haven't done their research.

He's worlds better than Obama or Romney.

Not everyone is a purist and absolutist. Johnson not being pro life is a huge thing for me, but I will probably still vote for him because he's a ton better than Romney or Obama.

 

[The Goat]

I wasn't crazy about the R3vo7ution banner being used but loved the concept. Reminds me of the Big Johnson shirts from the 90s. lol

 

[kathy88]

I wasn't crazy about the R3vo7ution banner being used but loved the concept. Reminds me of the Big Johnson shirts from the 90s. lol

OH MY GOD that's awesome. Where did you find that? I'm not voting for him, but I'll rock that on a shirt.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Well what do we do then? Just not vote?

Even if Gary Johnson only represents 50% of my beliefs, thats 50% more then Romney or Obama.

Vote for who you want, or just skip that part of the ticket. I'll give that Gary is not a typical politician (or human for that matter), and I don't see him as an establishment stooge like the other two clowns, but IMO he is a mountain climber, not a "libertarian"

Exactly.

Saying "I won't vote for Johnson because he didn't pardon the drug offenders" overlooks the fact that if Obama or Romney were in a similar position, THEY WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO DO SO. And Johnson has apparently grown philosophically since his time as governor, so maybe he would have done it differently given what he believes now.

Putting words in my mouth? I was talking about victimless criminal pardons and that was just a side issue to the use of corporate prisons in the first place. And I aint talking a lesser of evils debate, my point has nothing to do with Robamny.

I support the Paul's because I know they have your children's best interests in mind when they make decisions (good or bad). GJ is in it for GJ and I don't support cold calculating ego driven leaders, especially one who makes such bad decisions as the subsidization of corporate prisons...

Because that should be under the jurisdiction of the state...entirely within the state's rights to conduct an investigation.

you spin like a 45... No one opposed the states right to conduct an investigation, it was GJ that opposed an independent investigation. Please do catch up...

Not only that, many of the self righteous philosophers here don't want to recognize the fact Gary's power to pardon isn't as broad as they'd like to believe. Every case requires an application, and every application goes through the parole board before it reaches the governor's desk in New Mexico. The case only reaches the governor's desk if it meets "eligibility requirements" and if there is reason to believe the prisoner may deserve a pardon.

No one has explained to me how a non-violent drug offender who was found guilty of a crime, or actually pleaded guilty to a lesser offense, would be viewed as some reason the parole board would believe the prisoner deserved a pardon. It's not like a murder where there was a lot of questions and there wasn't DNA evidence and there was a lot of doubt.... You have to get tens of THOUSANDS of cases through the parole board in which an individual has violated law (though law we all believe is wrong) and there's no loophole. The governor can't sidestep statute with the pardon....a lot of people here are failing to recognize that.

So many aspects, yet everyone is quick to judge without thinking.

Really? then how come a quick google search tells us:

The New Mexico Constitution gives the Governor the power to “grant reprieves and pardons, after conviction for all offenses except treason and in cases of impeachment.”[SUP][1][/SUP] The Legislature may regulate the manner in which a person can apply for a pardon.[SUP][1][/SUP] However, the Governor has a lot of discretion in granting clemency/pardon. In making pardon decisions, he is not restrained by anything other than his “conscience, wisdom and sense of public duty.”[SUP][2][/SUP]
The Legislature has created the New Mexico Parole Board which has the authority to, at the request of the Governor, accept, investigate, and make recommendations on pardon applications.[SUP][3][/SUP] The Parole Board is made up of fifteen members who are appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate; they each serve a six-year term.[SUP][4]

[URL]http://pardon411.com/wiki/New_Mexico_Pardon_Information[/URL][/SUP]

This might be a good time to repeat my note about the spin and insult machine GJ attracts...

really, you want to attack Gary Johnson because he didn't pardon every single non-violent drug offender in prison? Could you imagine the shitstorm that would create?

How about the fact the vetoed more bills than all the other governors combined? Or about the fact that he was really the only governor to be highly critical of the drug war?

I'm not voting for him for lots of reasons. Here I am letting people in a glass house know they shouldn't be throwing stones...

OH MY GOD that's awesome. Where did you find that? I'm not voting for him, but I'll rock that on a shirt.

Yea, that is!

 

[The Goat]

Its going around face book, couple of my friends have it as their avatar.

OH MY GOD that's awesome. Where did you find that? I'm not voting for him, but I'll rock that on a shirt.

 

[sailingaway]

I have no idea how people who believe in liberty and justice can be GJ fans, unless they haven't done their research.

Gary is a cage builder with a legacy of blood and tears.

He could have PARDONED all prisoners in for victimless crimes and would have served justice, set a precedent, saved a TON of money.

Instead he had more cages built by private corporations whose Directors have a fiduciary duty to increase profits (once the cost per prisoner is at a minimum, the only way for the Directors to follow the law is to find ways to get more prisoners, and as we saw in PA, one way they do that is to bribe judges to cage people who do not need to be caged.)

The GJ promoters here seem either blind, or hacks trying to keep a job.

GJ does nothing for me, and only in the most superficial way on a couple of issues can you say they are alike imho. I'm not going there again.

Frankly, it pisses me off GJ is using that logo which was made for RON.

 

[The Goat]

GJ does nothing for me, and only in the most superficial way on a couple of issues can you say they are alike imho. I'm not going there again.

Frankly, it pisses me off GJ is using that logo which was made for RON.

It didn't come from Johnson, It was made by some one else.

 

[Bman]

Ron could easily be running for President as the Libertarian nominee. He decided a long time ago he will not go that route again. He's decided to work within the two party system. Which fighting against the two party system is actually the fight that needs to happen.

I understand one has to pick and choose their battles but Johnson is what we are left with if you want to make a statement against the two party system. Of course you can write in but it would have no impact on the future. Getting a high enough percentage of votes for the LP could.

 

[Nathan Hale]

GJ does nothing for me, and only in the most superficial way on a couple of issues can you say they are alike imho. I'm not going there again.

Frankly, it pisses me off GJ is using that logo which was made for RON.

It was made for liberty. The mere fact that we equate this movement to Ron Paul would piss off, more than anybody else, RON PAUL. It was Ron Paul who worried about this movement turning into some cult of personality centered around him rather than a continuance of the libertarian movement that has existed in this country since the 60s.

 

[Nathan Hale]

OH MY GOD that's awesome. Where did you find that? I'm not voting for him, but I'll rock that on a shirt.

If he gets in the debates, and if this race turns into a genuine three way race, I'd like to think that you'd vote for him before writing in Ron Paul. Perhaps you wouldn't (I love Ron Paul too), but I would like to think that you would.

 

[kathy88]

If he gets in the debates, and if this race turns into a genuine three way race, I'd like to think that you'd vote for him before writing in Ron Paul. Perhaps you wouldn't (I love Ron Paul too), but I would like to think that you would.

I'm voting for Obama, duh.











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[Indy Vidual]

Well what do we do then? Just not vote?

Even if Gary Johnson only represents 50% of my beliefs, thats 50% more then Romney or Obama.

+1
Scary Johnson is the least of 3 evils.
Vote LP 2012.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Ron could easily be running for President as the Libertarian nominee. He decided a long time ago he will not go that route again. He's decided to work within the two party system. Which fighting against the two party system is actually the fight that needs to happen.

I understand one has to pick and choose their battles but Johnson is what we are left with if you want to make a statement against the two party system. Of course you can write in but it would have no impact on the future. Getting a high enough percentage of votes for the LP could.

I have no desire to make a statement, I want to make a difference. I follow the leadership of Ron Paul who has realized the futility of trying to beat the system from outside the system. Whereas wimps may say, "if you can't beat em, join em", Paul's request that we get involved in GOP politics says to me, "If you want to beat them, join them" I have every intention of destroying the duopoly, but trust Paul's leadership in the best way to do that. IMO - The push to bolster the LP on RP sites undermines his, (and many of our's) efforts.

 

[HardyMacia]

I have no desire to make a statement, I want to make a difference. I follow the leadership of Ron Paul who has realized the futility of trying to beat the system from outside the system. Whereas wimps may say, "if you can't beat em, join em", Paul's request that we get involved in GOP politics says to me, "If you want to beat them, join them" I have every intention of destroying the duopoly, but trust Paul's leadership in the best way to do that. IMO - The push to bolster the LP on RP sites undermines his, (and many of our's) efforts.

It seems pretty futile to change the system from within. He's been trying for 30 years. We got a few state chairs who are Ron Paul supporters now, but so what? Does putting ending the fed into the platform going to make any real change? We might get an audit, it's a start but doesn't really do much.

The last substantial change we had was when Ross Perot ran as an outsider and harped on balancing the budget and we got the only balanced budget in 40 years because he made it an issue. Johnson is in the same position as Perot -- don't try to hang the LP albatross around Johnson's neck because no LP candidate has ever broke 1% -- the LP has never had a candidate for president anywhere near the caliber of Gary Johnson.

As for building private prisons -- I find it the strangest argument from libertarians who want to privatize our roads yet having private contractors build/run a prison is somehow sacrilege. The prison lobby whether it is private corporation or public unions will lobby for more prisons the way you fix it is by ending the war on drugs.

 

[Revolution9]

I wasn't crazy about the R3vo7ution banner being used but loved the concept. Reminds me of the Big Johnson shirts from the 90s. lol

Rev9

 

[Nathan Hale]

I have no desire to make a statement, I want to make a difference. I follow the leadership of Ron Paul who has realized the futility of trying to beat the system from outside the system. Whereas wimps may say, "if you can't beat em, join em", Paul's request that we get involved in GOP politics says to me, "If you want to beat them, join them" I have every intention of destroying the duopoly, but trust Paul's leadership in the best way to do that. IMO - The push to bolster the LP on RP sites undermines his, (and many of our's) efforts.

I disagree with your argument that we shouldn't question Operation GOP. There have been democrat liberty candidates who have been supported on these boards without anybody getting uppity about that violating the plan. But because it's a third party? I don't buy it. This is a multi-pronged assault. Operation GOP is GREAT! We should pursue it. But Gary Johnson running on the libertarian ticket does not hurt that effort. Ron, Rand, and all the GOP liberty officeholders aren't hurt by us supporting Gary Johnson. And voting for Gary is not just about making a statement - if the LP hits 5% there are numerous quantifiable benefits afforded to them as a result - most related to ballot access. a vote for Gary actually helps dismantle the two party system while simultaneously not hurting the efforts of the Pauls, it's win-win! Voting for Gary is a good thing on many meaningful metrics, not the least of which is the fact that if he gets in the debates, the entire game changes and we stand a very good chance of having a liberty candidate actually win the presidency.