Gary Johnson For the Gary Johnson Fans

[Okie RP fan]

It's not every day Ron Paul OR Gary Johnson is on Fox Nation:

h t tp://nation.foxnews.com/gary-johnson/2012/07/25/trippi-why-gary-johnson-could-cost-obama-or-romney-win-2012

Go the page, click on "Inspiring" and leave a nice comment for the neocons to ponder over.

 

[Okie RP fan]

Article on Fox Nation (of all places!)

It's not every day Ron Paul OR Gary Johnson is on Fox Nation:

h t tp://nation.foxnews.com/gary-johnson/2012/07/25/trippi-why-gary-johnson-could-cost-obama-or-romney-win-2012

Go the page, click on "Inspiring" and leave a nice comment for the neocons to ponder over.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

I have no idea how people who believe in liberty and justice can be GJ fans, unless they haven't done their research.

Gary is a cage builder with a legacy of blood and tears.

He could have PARDONED all prisoners in for victimless crimes and would have served justice, set a precedent, saved a TON of money.

Instead he had more cages built by private corporations whose Directors have a fiduciary duty to increase profits (once the cost per prisoner is at a minimum, the only way for the Directors to follow the law is to find ways to get more prisoners, and as we saw in PA, one way they do that is to bribe judges to cage people who do not need to be caged.)

The GJ promoters here seem either blind, or hacks trying to keep a job.

 

[brandon]

Proof??

 

[Bruno]

I have no idea how people who believe in liberty and justice can be GJ fans, unless they haven't done their research.

Gary is a cage builder with a legacy of blood and tears.

He could have PARDONED all prisoners in for victimless crimes and would have served justice, set a precedent, saved a TON of money.

Instead he had more cages built by private corporations whose Directors have a fiduciary duty to increase profits (once the cost per prisoner is at a minimum, the only way for the Directors to follow the law is to find ways to get more prisoners, and as we saw in PA, one way they do that is to bribe judges to cage people who do not need to be caged.)

The GJ promoters here seem either blind, or hacks trying to keep a job.

Would be interested in a GJ-supporter responding to that legitimate statement.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I have no idea how people who believe in liberty and justice can be GJ fans, unless they haven't done their research.

Gary is a cage builder with a legacy of blood and tears.

Thaaaank You...

 

[Bruno]

Proof??

Drug offenders are still in prison.

 

[brandon]

I meant more about how he had private contractors build additional prisons("cages").

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Proof??

We can start here, but this is full of spin and insult like most GJ propaganda

http://garyjohnsongrassrootsblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/johnsons-private-prisons.html

 

[Bruno]

I meant more about how he had private contractors build additional prisons("cages").

(Referred to on page 315)

The recent history of private prisons in New Mexico has been a stormy one. In the late 1990s, three inmates were stabbed to death at the Lea County Correctional Facility in Hobbs. An August1999 riot inside the Guadalupe County Correctional Facility near Santa Rosa left one guard dead and fifteen inmates on trial for his murder. That same month, a Guadalupe inmate bludgeoned another prisoner with a laundry bag filled with rocks, killing him. Then, on November 11, 2000, thirty-two inmates at the Torrance County Detention Facility in Estancia attacked correctional officers with makeshift knives, mop handles, toilet bowl scrubbers and table legs, injuring eight of the employees.
These incidents, and several others with less serious results, resulted in calls by state legislators for state oversight of private prisons. However, when Governor Gary Johnson looked back on his two terms in office, which ended on December 31, 2002, he counted the creation of private prisons as one of his greatest accomplishments. "My private philosophy," said Johnson, "has been that the private sector can do just about anything as well as or better than a [government] bureaucracy."

http://www.wadsworth.com/criminaljustice_d/templates/student_resources/0534616232_gaines/debates/private_prisons.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8D204yiWzs

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Also interesting that he feels the private sector can do better than gov, but opposed an independent investigation of prison problems in favor of the government investigation.

http://amarillo.com/stories/1999/09/03/new_prisons.shtml

Gov. Gary Johnson opposes having an independent study of private prison operations in New Mexico, which have experienced a rash of killings and riots in the past year... The Public Safety and Corrections departments are investigating the riot that occurred Tuesday at the private prison near Santa Rosa, and Johnson views that as adequate, Kinderwater said Thursday.

"He (Johnson) is confident and satisfied with that," she said.

 

[Cody1]

Lol at least they aren't blaming Ron Paul supporters this time!

 

[MrWalker]

With a little luck Stone will be a worse adviser then either Benton or Olsen, so the taxpayers wont have to finance Garys political future.

By the way, hes not in it to win.....http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...on_the_wild_card_in_fall_election_114499.html

 

[kathy88]

"I'm not concerned with Gary becoming the President in 2012..." blah blah blah. Sounds familiar. Why waste our time then? It's not like he has a message to spread.

 

[BSU kid]

Well what do we do then? Just not vote?

Even if Gary Johnson only represents 50% of my beliefs, thats 50% more then Romney or Obama.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Well what do we do then? Just not vote?

Even if Gary Johnson only represents 50% of my beliefs, thats 50% more then Romney or Obama.

That'd be a fine option.

 

[mczerone]

Well what do we do then? Just not vote?

Even if Gary Johnson only represents 50% of my beliefs, thats 50% more then Romney or Obama.

Exactly.

Saying "I won't vote for Johnson because he didn't pardon the drug offenders" overlooks the fact that if Obama or Romney were in a similar position, THEY WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO DO SO. And Johnson has apparently grown philosophically since his time as governor, so maybe he would have done it differently given what he believes now.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Because that should be under the jurisdiction of the state...entirely within the state's rights to conduct an investigation.

Also interesting that he feels the private sector can do better than gov, but opposed an independent investigation of prison problems in favor of the government investigation.

http://amarillo.com/stories/1999/09/03/new_prisons.shtml

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Not only that, many of the self righteous philosophers here don't want to recognize the fact Gary's power to pardon isn't as broad as they'd like to believe. Every case requires an application, and every application goes through the parole board before it reaches the governor's desk in New Mexico. The case only reaches the governor's desk if it meets "eligibility requirements" and if there is reason to believe the prisoner may deserve a pardon.

No one has explained to me how a non-violent drug offender who was found guilty of a crime, or actually pleaded guilty to a lesser offense, would be viewed as some reason the parole board would believe the prisoner deserved a pardon. It's not like a murder where there was a lot of questions and there wasn't DNA evidence and there was a lot of doubt.... You have to get tens of THOUSANDS of cases through the parole board in which an individual has violated law (though law we all believe is wrong) and there's no loophole. The governor can't sidestep statute with the pardon....a lot of people here are failing to recognize that.

So many aspects, yet everyone is quick to judge without thinking.

Exactly.

Saying "I won't vote for Johnson because he didn't pardon the drug offenders" overlooks the fact that if Obama or Romney were in a similar position, THEY WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO DO SO. And Johnson has apparently grown philosophically since his time as governor, so maybe he would have done it differently given what he believes now.

 

[trey4sports]

really, you want to attack Gary Johnson because he didn't pardon every single non-violent drug offender in prison? Could you imagine the shitstorm that would create?

How about the fact the vetoed more bills than all the other governors combined? Or about the fact that he was really the only governor to be highly critical of the drug war?