Florida car-park killing: Gunman guilty as 'stand your ground' defence fails

[Matt Collins]

And while the jury may be correct, who in their right mind in the heat of the moment has the ability to process split second movements like that and make a fire/don't fire decision with adrenaline running?


Ultimately I think it comes down to the old phrase "An armed society is a polite society."

 

[XNavyNuke]

Just to clarify: I don't think it is "OK".

But under the Curricular Force Continuum that almost all cops are trained by today, "officer safety" is paramount.

Nothing else matters.

Had a civilian law enforcement official engaged the female in the performance of his/her/xer duties, had she become argumentative, had the male come out of the store and made the exact same contact, and if the LEO had drawn and shot him, this would be a much lesser deal. The LEO would have drove a desk for a few weeks until the investigation determined that his life was in danger, and that would be that. To your point, not that its right but that's reality.

XNN

 

[XNavyNuke]

Well, that’s what happens when you murder someone.

Bingo!
XNN

 

[Anti Federalist]

Had a civilian law enforcement official engaged the female in the performance of his/her/xer duties, had she become argumentative, had the male come out of the store and made the exact same contact, and if the LEO had drawn and shot him, this would be a much lesser deal. The LEO would have drove a desk for a few weeks until the investigation determined that his life was in danger, and that would be that. To your point, not that its right but that's reality.

XNN

Yes, that is the reality.

I try as hard as I can to remove my own biases and pent up anger at the whole situation and just give the best possible advice and comment with the ultimate desire to not see somebody jailed or killed by the system for running afoul of it's labyrinth laws.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

That is indeed the sad truth. Had a first class citizen, ie: the police, a politician, or an extremely rich person done this they would not have received the same results as the rest of us second class citizens.

 

[Schifference]

So then why all the open border talk and pay illegal immigrants and civil disobedience bull crap. Why focus on things that require 20 years of hard core legislation to change? Cops murder people and get away with it. What can be done to stop it? If this cannot be stopped and changed why talk about natural born rights and just accept this? Why is not police abuse the number one issue? Cops steal, kill, and are engaged in just about every illegal activity and get elevated to some status of grace. If there were a battle to be fought and won, it seems that the war on cops should be the one. Do cops uphold the constitution? What will be done about it?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So then why all the open border talk and pay illegal immigrants and civil disobedience bull crap. Why focus on things that require 20 years of hard core legislation to change? Cops murder people and get away with it. What can be done to stop it? If this cannot be stopped and changed why talk about natural born rights and just accept this? Why is not police abuse the number one issue? Cops steal, kill, and are engaged in just about every illegal activity and get elevated to some status of grace. If there were a battle to be fought and won, it seems that the war on cops should be the one. Do cops uphold the constitution? What will be done about it?

My real entree to politicking was writing an anti police brutality blog around 2003-2004. So it kinda is a number one issue. I also learned pretty early that you have to meter the dosage of that topic for most Republicans or they lose their minds to statolatry.

 

[phill4paul]

And while the jury may be correct, who in their right mind in the heat of the moment has the ability to process split second movements like that and make a fire/don't fire decision with adrenaline running?


Ultimately I think it comes down to the old phrase "An armed society is a polite society."

If you're not of the right mind best to leave your gun at home. The use of it is deadly serious. And citizens don't get 'qualified immunity.'

Going to AF's remarks...

Cops train for 'no hesitation' use of lethal force. And are protected by their status for using their training. Citizens must train for 'hesitate like a muther fucker until the last possible second' use of lethal force. And even then you can be fucked.

 

[Matt Collins]

That is indeed the sad truth. Had a first class citizen, ie: the police, a politician, or an extremely rich person done this they would not have received the same results as the rest of us second class citizens.

And the idiot didn't help himself by running his mouth to the police in an interview after the fact

 

[106459]

Yeah, a tad irritating it took 3 minutes to find a video without a jump cut, but here it is, starts at 1:38 by the way:



Unfortunately, Drejka got confused that carrying a firearm is an insurance policy, not a trump card. Carrying a firearm is supposed to save your life, not help you win a fight. If you can't have the mindset that if you have to use it - you'll likely spend some time in prison and have your life turned upside down sorting it out (but at least you'll be alive and did the right thing), then it's best to leave it at home.

Pretty bad situation. Could have been avoided if he didn't choose handicap parking violations as his hill to die on. If you want to get pissed, shout something, make them feel bad; fine, but move on: it's silly to turn it into a full blown confrontation. McGlockton probably shouldn't have committed assault & battery on a guy yelling, particularly when he knew they shouldn't be in a handicap spot.

But I suppose this is evidence that the justice system worked in this case: stand your ground laws are not a license to kill someone because they pushed you onto the ground.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And the idiot didn't help himself by running his mouth to the police in an interview after the fact

No, he didn't.

THE Video, once again...for those who have not watched this...it is REQUIRED viewing in today's AmeriKa.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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[Anti Federalist]

So then why all the open border talk and pay illegal immigrants and civil disobedience bull crap. Why focus on things that require 20 years of hard core legislation to change? Cops murder people and get away with it. What can be done to stop it? If this cannot be stopped and changed why talk about natural born rights and just accept this? Why is not police abuse the number one issue? Cops steal, kill, and are engaged in just about every illegal activity and get elevated to some status of grace. If there were a battle to be fought and won, it seems that the war on cops should be the one. Do cops uphold the constitution? What will be done about it?

Well, I for one fought that battle for many years...you'd have to be blind to have not read my "cops shoot family dog" stories from all across the country over the years.

There actually started to be some real grassroots awakening going on, back around 2015 or so...and then came Ferguson MO.

The New Bolsheviks seized on that incident as the opening salvo in the new battlefield of Marxist revolution: the substitution of race, or more properly, ethnicity, for class in the Marxist canon and ideology.

And all of a sudden, almost overnight, the idea that it was not Black vs Blue but Blue vs. All of Us was out the window, gone...and it was now all about race, and racist cops, and evil white supremacists.

And that got everybody back in their respective boxes, a "Flawless Victory" for the system, even though idiot white people are just as likely, if not more so, to be abused and killed by cops than colored people.

And it was sickening, frustrating and infuriating to watch happen...it literally made me physically ill...caused severe health problems.

As the last couple of years have passed, I have watched and observed the New Bolsheviks and Jacobins get more and more emboldened, the more extreme of the lot have called for my extermination.

While cops remain an inherent threat to life and limb in modern AmeriKa, the Bolsheviks and their willing allies in the millions of migrant invaders that they facilitate and support, have become a more pressing danger and immediate concern.

So, at least for me, I had no choice but to re-group, re-think my position and determine a new course of action.

And, here we are.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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[Anti Federalist]

Just to clarify: I don't think it is "OK".

But under the Curricular Force Continuum that almost all cops are trained by today, "officer safety" is paramount.

Nothing else matters.

And if the cop in question can in any way make the claim that "I feared for my safety", no matter how thin or ridiculous that claim may be, he will most likely walk away from a deadly force incident that would have you or me looking at hard jail time, just like this one for instance.

So yes, their policy says it is "OK".

That is why I have, for years now, been preaching "Do Not Call Cops".

The risk you take is not worth it, especially in a volatile or fluid situation.

Bump for a rep I got.

I stand by this.