Flipping the vote against Ron Paul in South Carolina?

[bbwarfield]

Bb war,,,,,, what has been the best argument so far as to why these graphs wouldn't be true?? U r a main player in this thread as well so id like ur opinion on this.... Does cjm raise valid debunking points??????? Goddddd I knew I should've never cut my statistic class!!!!! I knew one day I would need to know this!!!!! And that day has come!!!

the "best argument" is a misnomer.... cause the best argument for me pales in all reality..in fact fraud is 1000x more likely than what i am about to explain.. but here it is.

The BEST argument for the graphs looking this way without fraud is that Romney has run the single best campaign in the history of American Politics. He has used every single kind of data (census, voter registration list, targeted mailing lists suplied by his endorsers such as gov. haley, marketing research by all the firms...ect) to litterally target any and all people who would consider voting for him.... but not just targeting them in making sure that they get literature.... but targeting EXACTLY what they want to hear.... exactly the person you want to hear it from.... in exactly the format you want it.

The money it would take to do this would rival all the money ever used in all the campaigns in America and most us companies (pepsi and coke would weep at how much money... and how succesful) this would be the only reason I could see these kind of graphs showing what they do WITHOUT fraud.

actually... thats my 2nd best reason... more plausible in reality .... Act of a vengeful God

I am vocal on here with my opinions, but mostly about not mixing apples and oranges.... it the state of south carolina a see no reasonable explanation but the voteing machines being rigged to change the results

EDIT: initialy with just the Mans work i accepted fraud could be a reason but it was edging out demographics 75% to 25%...... once liberty did his... i am fully at 99.99% to 0.01% against demographic/good campaigning being the reason

 

[Mark37snj]

Can someone please tell me if this is a fact yet??????????????? If not what more info do we need to make it 100%????

We need a professional statistics company, department, ect to do a complete and comprehensive independent analysis. That is the only thing that will answer all questions, although some will still ignore it but they will be in the minority. Enough Americans will beleive in the evidence. You can't please everyone but this data will please most.

 

[bcreps85]

take a deep breath.

vote fraud generally gets swept under the rug. It's possible that will happen here. However, this is so big, and so blatant, that it's possible we can break through with it, and force the media to report on it.

whether we will accomplish that goal is still up in the air. we need to hope recognized statisticians start looking at this, and that a enterprising journalist decides he (or she) wants that Pulitzer.

This will be harder to sweep under the rug if it cannot be debunked. Why? Our standing in the world is the worst it has ever been. If it is not reported here, it will be reported elsewhere. Party heads can try to ignore it all they want, but most of their underlings - no matter who much we disagree with them on the issues, will not support blatant fraud. Word will get out, and any news agency that is not covering it will be viewed as complicit.

Most likely, it'll be "investigated", and some patsies will be thrown to the dogs. We'll be assured it was an isolated incident. The media that leans left will use it as an attack piece on Republicans for another 4 years of Obama. None of the people who were really responsible will pay the way they should. On the other hand, people will demand fair and honest elections and this sort of thing will become more difficult in the future - whether mandated at a federal or state level. If those measures don't go far enough...well, those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.

That being said...what happened when the original DP poster met with the SCGOP the second time? I don't recall an update...

 

[rb3b3]

The left leaning liberal media would salivate over this like rabid dogs.

Well my major problem with this, I'm sure I will sound dumb but, my major problem is the programmer in Florida who revealed the major problem with these machines and how they were rigged........ Most Americans I would Assume don't know or don't care that this fraud is taking with our election system...... Which brings me back to the point of us fighting a much bigger battle that anyone can ever imagine!! I'm talking about the only way to win this uphill battle is by having a real war with them! Am i wrong??

 

[mosquitobite]

I honestly feel the only way to make this get out is for each and every one of us with blogs post it.
All of us share it on facebook, twitter.

This has to go viral - due to each and every one of us on RPF and DP.

 

[bbwarfield]

The left leaning liberal media would salivate over this like rabid dogs.

they wouldnt... notice the eixt polls matched the unflipped results? all media exit polls come from Edison Research...... no other company is used by the MSM

They would have to admit there exit polls were also rigged if vote flipping took place..... since they more or less created the monopoly.... they would be culpable (cnn's election crunchers were originally run by the founder of edison)

so.... it will be a court battle in the end

 

[Adam West]

Well my major problem with this, I'm sure I will sound dumb but, my major problem is the programmer in Florida who revealed the major problem with these machines and how they were rigged........ Most Americans I would Assume don't know or don't care that this fraud is taking with our election system...... Which brings me back to the point of us fighting a much bigger battle that anyone can ever imagine!! I'm talking about the only way to win this uphill battle is by having a real war with them! Am i wrong??

I agree with what you are saying, but when that information was revealed America was not in the grips of an election cycle. The President was in, people were tired of the bickering and wanted to move on. I think it will play differently now.

 

[bcreps85]

they wouldnt... notice the eixt polls matched the unflipped results? all media exit polls come from Edison Research...... no other company is used by the MSM

They would have to admit there exit polls were also rigged if vote flipping took place..... since they more or less created the monopoly.... they would be culpable (cnn's election crunchers were originally run by the founder of edison)

so.... it will be a court battle in the end

The MSM isn't doing the polls, Edison Research is. Plausible deniability.

 

[bbwarfield]

The MSM isn't doing the polls, Edison Research is. Plausible deniability.

agree.... but every one on the people on the information page use to be big in the MSM....that tells me the MSM wouldnt throw there friends to the wolves.... wolf blitzer aint gonna attack a board of former colleagues and bosses.... there entire board is old MSM people that moved into making the news from reporting it.....

Edison Research=Gonzo journalism when compared to there old jobs at CBS, CNN, ABC and the like

 

[The Man]

The board of Edison Research is comprised mostly of members of the mainstream media. Edison Research IS the mainstream media. It's another scam IMHO.

The MSM isn't doing the polls, Edison Research is. Plausible deniability.

 

[rb3b3]

Again I ask, when are we taking the next step???

 

[bcreps85]

I think they'd throw ex-colleagues under the bus if the heat was on. I think they'd throw their own families under the bus if it came to it. These are people without self respect and people without principle.

 

[tremendoustie]

these are not based on time reporting but by precinct size. Alot of the demographic switches are not significant enough (less that 2% of the vote was minority even though some precincts were 92% black)

this is showing a clean statystical anamoly that is not explainable based on demographics

The urn thing is an example and is not really 1:1 .... the analogy is the weakest part of the argument... but the data is very very strong

Is it not feasible that there is a significant correlation between Paul support and precinct size?

I looked at the original results for Manchester, NH, and the largest precincts are all the suburban ones, while the smallest precincts are urban. Is it not likely that Paul enjoys stronger urban and rural support, while romney enjoys stronger suburban support?

 

[bcreps85]

Is it not feasible that there is a significant correlation between Paul support and precinct size?

I looked at the original results for Manchester, NH, and the largest precincts are all the suburban ones, while the smallest precincts are urban. Is it not likely that Paul enjoys stronger urban and rural support, while romney enjoys stronger suburban support?

Throughout the 106 page thread, this has been proven to not be the case multiple times, multiple ways.

 

[tremendoustie]

Throughout the 106 page thread, this has been proven to not be the case multiple times, multiple ways.

How?

It has been conclusively proven that there are no electorally significant demographic correlations with precinct size?

Has population density vs. precinct size been plotted? Because I would guess there is a significant relationship, both between population density and precinct size, and between Paul support and population density.

Could results by precinct size, instead of being shown for a particular town, be shown for all precincts of near identical density?

Also, how many people would have to be in on this? In the precinct I was in, results were posted directly from the machine, to the wall, publicly. Is it suggested that each machine is pre-programmed, or that the fraud is occurring in statewide tabulation?

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

I have a few points i'd like to address here.

This information should be printed in hard-copy, along with the date of the print. Before any of this information gets into the wrong hands.

 

[bcreps85]

How?

It has been conclusively proven that there are no electorally significant demographic correlations with precinct size?

Has population density vs. precinct size been plotted? Because I would guess there is a significant relationship, both between population density and precinct size, and between Paul support and population density.

Could results by precinct size, instead of being shown for a particular town, be shown for all precincts of near identical density?

Also, how many people would have to be in on this? In the precinct I was in, results were posted directly from the machine, to the wall, publically. Is it suggested that each machine is pre-programmed, or that the fraud is occurring in statewide tabulation?

Two ways come to mind.

1. Exit polling data was used from four states and averaged, which conclusively proved that Ron Paul has steady influence between urban, suburban, and rural locations. The fluctuation was 1%, well within the margin of error.

2. The early assumption was that voter turn out was equivalent to precinct size. It isn't. Low precinct turnout can happen in a more populated area, and it was shown to have happened in several such places.

As far as who would have to be involved. The GOP big wigs...who have been caught on camera stating they would not let Paul win, no matter what. Some key people in the media...you really think Hannity and Bill O would have a problem with this...and how many media companies were/are in bed with Bain capital (what a coincidence)? Pollsters...many of whom are ex-MSM. Then throw in a combination of how Paul is often under-polled in most cases due to weak polling methods. In short, less people than you think.

 

[tremendoustie]

Two ways come to mind.

1. Exit polling data was used from four states and averaged, which conclusively proved that Ron Paul has steady influence between urban, suburban, and rural locations. The fluctuation was 1%, well within the margin of error.

This is fairly convincing, if it was done properly. Which page was that report on?

Can we create a small-to-large precinct plot for only those precincts where we have exit polling data, and plot exit polling results on the same chart?

 

[Aden]

I just want everything condensed into a PDF or something so I can start emailing it to math professors and alternative media.

 

[bbwarfield]

I say get this to blackbox voting.... they may have hit a brick wall.... but they have alot contact info for people who put there academic integrity on the line to bring there information to the public... they would know who to get it to... even if not how to disseminate the information the best