FL-DeSantis signs bill, making Florida the 26th Constitutional Carry state in the country

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Over half the country now.

There is no excuse to not carry at all times outside your home, especially in this day and age.


Gov. DeSantis Signs Bill Making Florida the 26th Constitutional Carry State

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amend...-florida-the-26th-constitutional-carry-state/

AWR HAWKINS 3 Apr 2023

Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed legislation Monday making Florida the 26th constitutional carry state in the Union.

This means the majority of states in the USA are constitutional carry.

The Tampa Bay Times reported the new law takes effect July 1, 2023.

The bill means Floridians aged 21-years and up, who are not otherwise prohibited from gun possession, may carry a handgun concealed for self-defense without a permit.

The other There 25 constitutional carry states are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
 
Even though it is redundant, good work Florida!

We have always had the right to carry arms:

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
 
[FONT=&quot]The Governor is weak if he cannot even get his own super majority legislature to add part of his agenda, which is open carry, to the permitless carry bill.
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[FONT=&quot]It's embarrassing for him, It’s failed leadership and it hurts his chances in the upcoming Presidential primary.
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[FONT=&quot]How will he get Congress to advance his agenda when he becomes President if he can't even get a simple open carry provision (which currently exists in 47 other states) added to a pro-gun bill?
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[FONT=&quot]Will he let Mitch McConnell steamroll him the same way that FL Sen President Kathleen Passidomo has done?
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[FONT="][FONT=inherit]The Governor is weak if he cannot even get his own super majority legislature to add part of his agenda, which is open carry, to the permitless carry bill. [/FONT]
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[COLOR=#050505][FONT="]It's embarrassing for him, It’s failed leadership and it hurts his chances in the upcoming Presidential primary.
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[FONT="][FONT=inherit]How will he get Congress to advance his agenda when he becomes President if he can't even get a simple open carry provision (which currently exists in 47 other states) added to a pro-gun bill? [/FONT]
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[COLOR=#050505][FONT="]Will he let Mitch McConnell steamroll him the same way that FL Sen President Kathleen Passidomo has done?
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Seems like pretty good points, but I doubt it will make any difference in the long run for his expected presidential run.

Also my opinion is that concealed carry is a much better option than open carry. Why tip your hand to anyone that you are armed?
 
pfft , dems easily win setting new all time record for votes again, nothing has changed .
 
[FONT="][FONT=inherit]The Governor is weak if he cannot even get his own super majority legislature to add part of his agenda, which is open carry, to the permitless carry bill. [/FONT]
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[COLOR=#050505][FONT="]It's embarrassing for him, It’s failed leadership and it hurts his chances in the upcoming Presidential primary.
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[FONT="][FONT=inherit]How will he get Congress to advance his agenda when he becomes President if he can't even get a simple open carry provision (which currently exists in 47 other states) added to a pro-gun bill? [/FONT]
[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#050505][FONT="]Will he let Mitch McConnell steamroll him the same way that FL Sen President Kathleen Passidomo has done?
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I don't think it's a big deal. Open carry is kind of stupid IMO. Yes it should be legal in all states, but it's a dumb thing to do. You freak out the stupid liberals when you open carry. Concealed is safer for yourself.
 
I don't think it's a big deal. Open carry is kind of stupid IMO. Yes it should be legal in all states, but it's a dumb thing to do. You freak out the stupid liberals when you open carry. Concealed is safer for yourself.

Bullshit.

Free citizens openly carrying arms should be as common as men wearing hats used to be.

I appreciate Matt's absolutism on the gun issue, but I can recall 40 years gone, when Florida shook the entire nation by being the first state to enact "Shall Issue" concealed weapons permits.

The Marxists of that day were apoplectic about how every traffic altercation would end up in a "Wild West" shootout and that murder rates would skyrocket.

Florida was first in 1987 IIRC.

Other states soon followed, so that by 1995 well over 3/4 of the states were "Shall Issue" and two, Vermont and Alaska were Constitutional Carry.

NTQucG5n


Of course we are seeing an uptick now due to the ongoing Marxist revolution, but it's still no where near where it was 30 years ago.

[MENTION=991]Matt Collins[/MENTION] Let's take the win and the victory lap.
 
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You freak out the stupid liberals when you open carry.

So what? To hell with them!

Indulging "stupid liberals" by trying to placate their "freak outs" (and not just the ones about guns) is the greater part of how we got in the mess we're in today.

Concealed is safer for yourself.

Safer from whom? "Stupid liberals"? I kinda doubt it.

And in any case, a gun no one knows you have is not a deterrent.
 
We have to live in the same country as these stupid liberals. That isn't going to change. It's just easier on everyone if you don't freak them out. If that means not walking into a walmart with a slung AR, but instead carrying a concealed glock 9, then it's fine with me. The country is so fucked up it's almost a personal safety thing. Do you really want some lefty calling the cops and getting you shot by them?
 
For those that don't know, I am the guy who originally got DeSantis on record in favor of it and got the ball rolling.

Through some contacts I got invited to the Governor's Mansion in 2021 for a state GOP reception (I live in Florida). While I was there I asked him on video if he would sign Constitutional Carry if it ever made it to his desk and he said he would. I sent that video clip to the media who went berserk with it at the idea that we might get some of our freedoms back.

Last year the legislature refused to touch it and DeSantis didn't push it even though he said he wanted it (and I believed him genuinely). The RINOs in the legislature killed the bill that had been filed by Rep Anthony Sabatini.

This year the FL Sheriff's Assoc brokers a deal with the RINOs in the legislature (and the NRA) to do permitless conceal carry, but still require an ID to be on your person. Also open carry was not included. The GOA operative, Luis Valdez, great guy and good friend down here, recorded DeSantis on record saying he wanted open carry, and then a few weeks later a YAL operative in Georgia got DeSantis on video at a book signing saying he would call a special session for it "if he had the votes."

Anyway, between Luis and I and Bob White of the RLC of FL we made damn sure the narrative in the press was that gun owners were unhappy with the bill because it was a half measure.

Was it a step in the right direction? Sure, but we don't want to give them anything positive unless they do what they should be doing which is 100% restoration of our right to keep and bear arms.

Because the media loves Republican division, they would print all of my quotes and the GOA and other statements about how the RINOs in the legislature were giving us a turd sandwich. That is a large part of the reason the bill was passed and signed quickly with as minimal fanfare as they could get away with. I wasn't even aware of the bill signing until a few minutes after the fact, but I was also not expecting an invite either heh. Even the bill author Rep Chuck Brannan admitted to a reporter that "no one was happy with this bill"








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jhJlR0LU-g
 
We have to live in the same country as these stupid liberals. That isn't going to change. It's just easier on everyone if you don't freak them out. If that means not walking into a walmart with a slung AR, but instead carrying a concealed glock 9, then it's fine with me. The country is so fucked up it's almost a personal safety thing. Do you really want some lefty calling the cops and getting you shot by them?

That attitude is exactly why "stupid liberals" have so much power.

And they are going keep and grow that power as long as their "freak outs" continue being pandered to.
 
We have to live in the same country as these stupid liberals. That isn't going to change. It's just easier on everyone if you don't freak them out. If that means not walking into a walmart with a slung AR, but instead carrying a concealed glock 9, then it's fine with me. The country is so fucked up it's almost a personal safety thing. Do you really want some lefty calling the cops and getting you shot by them?

Not for much longer.

I can not share a country with people who think it is perfectly OK for grown male queeers to rub their dicks on toddlers or think it is "affirming health care" to chop off a perfectly healthy 14 year old girls breasts because she's going through a tomboy phase, among so many other outrages over the years, but these cross the final line.
 
US Now a Majority Permitless Carry Country After DeSantis Signs Gun Rights Law

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-no...ml?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=whatfinger

Jack Phillips
By Jack Phillips
April 3, 2023 Updated: April 3, 2023

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a “permitless carry” bill into law on April 3, making Florida the 26th state to do so, according to pro-Second Amendment groups.

The legislation, passed by the Florida Legislature, allows people to carry a concealed weapon without a permit and without state-mandated training. It will go into effect starting July 1.

John Velleco, executive vice president of Gun Owners of America, confirmed to the Miami Herald that DeSantis, a Republican, signed the legislation in front of a group of about 20 people. An official with the National Rifle Association (NRA) also confirmed DeSantis signed the measure.

After DeSantis’s signature, Florida is now the 26th state in the United States to allow permitless carry, according to the U.S. Concealed Carry Association (USCCA). Before Monday, DeSantis said he would sign the bill into law.

There has been debate about the meanings of the terms “permitless carry” and “constitutional carry.” The USCCA says the two terms are often used interchangeably. However, the group notes on its website that permitless carry can refer to laws in states that allow people to openly carry a firearm without a permit, but that require a permit for concealed carry.

Ahead of the bill signing, DeSantis said that Florida supports the Second Amendment during a book tour event on March 30.

“You don’t need a permission slip from the government to be able to exercise your constitutional rights,” he said.

The sponsor of the measure, Republican state Rep. Chuck Brannan, said residents should be able to carry their firearms without “government interference or local preemption.”

“In the State of Florida, government bureaucracy will no longer stand between law-abiding Floridians and their freedom to exercise their Second Amendment rights,” Brannan said in a statement. “This bill recognizes that while the government has a duty to protect its citizens, its citizens have a right to protect themselves.”

The measure passed 76–32 in the House and 27–13 in the Senate, mostly along party lines. Democrats, who opposed the bill, said it would cause a spike in gun-related crimes and deaths.

Democrat state Sen. Shevrin Jones wrote after the bill’s passage that “guns are killing our children and tearing apart families. It’s not books, it’s not drag queens, it’s not even ‘wokeness’, it’s guns!”

“Even with the loss of these precious lives, the FL legislature is STILL pressing forward with its permitless carry bill. It’s a damn shame,” he wrote.

Not Far Enough?
However, some pro-Second Amendment groups have said the bill doesn’t go far enough and isn’t a true “constitutional carry” measure because it does not allow people to openly carry guns like in a number of other Republican-leaning states.

DeSantis has previously said he supports open carry legislation, but some state leaders and sheriffs have indicated that they don’t support the measure.

Orange County Sheriff John Mina, a Democrat, claimed in a guest editorial for the Orlando Sentinel that open carry would increase the number of shootings and gun-related deaths statewide. Republican Senate President Kathleen Passidomo also said in March that she would only support open carry legislation if the Florida Sheriffs Association supported it.

“I will support what the Sheriffs of this state, who are the experts,” said Passidomo in early March, according to The Capitolist. “I don’t know one end of a gun from another, so I certainly want to support the experts.”

The bill that DeSantis signed “says you do not need the government’s permission to carry your weapon,” Passisomo further said. “That, in my mind, is constitutional carry.”

Young Americans for Liberty said that next time, DeSantis and Florida Republicans need to do more.

“Governor Ron DeSantis can’t expect to be praised as a conservative hero if he’s going to retreat back to the establishment line every time a major vote has to be made. Floridians deserve the full constitutional carry that DeSantis promised last year, especially if he wants their support in the 2024 election,” Ted Patterson, the group’s vice president of policy, said in a statement Monday.

When asked about the bill and if it goes far enough, DeSantis said that if the legislature sends “me something that is 90 percent or 80 percent, I mean, I’m going to take that win and we come back for more at some time in the future,” CNN reported.

Both the Gun Owners of America and the NRA praised DeSantis and the Florida legislature for passing and signing the bill.

“The NRA applauds Florida for becoming the 26th state to adopt the vital Constitutional Carry legislation. This NRA-spearheaded initiative empowers Floridians to exercise their Second Amendment rights without undue bureaucratic barriers, affirming the fundamental right to self-defense,” NRA-ILA Interim Executive Director Randy Kozuch told Fox News on Monday.

And Gun Owners of America described the measure as a “huge win” for Second Amendment groups and “is a step in the right direction.” It said that for years, Florida Republican lawmakers have “refused to even bring up” pro-gun measures.

“Again, this isn’t everything that we have pushed for, but it is still a step in the right direction,” it said. “Having the ability to have at least one method of carrying without the requirement of having a government issue permission slip is a good thing.”
 
That attitude is exactly why "stupid liberals" have so much power.

And they are going keep and grow that power as long as their "freak outs" continue being pandered to.

Really? Because it seems like they just lost this one. What DeSantis just signed is a reasonable compromise. You can now carry a concealed gun without asking permission. Open carry shoud be legal, but is just a stupid pointless thing to do.

Not for much longer.

I can not share a country with people who think it is perfectly OK for grown male queeers to rub their dicks on toddlers or think it is "affirming health care" to chop off a perfectly healthy 14 year old girls breasts because she's going through a tomboy phase, among so many other outrages over the years, but these cross the final line.

People that engage in that sort of illegal activity should be prosecuted. We have laws on the books to deal with them.
 
Republican Senate President Kathleen Passidomo also said in March that she would only support open carry legislation if the Florida Sheriffs Association supported it.

“I will support what the Sheriffs of this state, who are the experts,” said Passidomo in early March, according to The Capitolist. “I don’t know one end of a gun from another, so I certainly want to support the experts.”

With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?

On the other hand, it's refreshing to hear a politician openly and explicitly admit that she doesn't really give a damn about liberty at all (or even about "muh democracy"), but that she will instead defer [1] to whatever the "experts" [2] want.



[1] The cherry on top comes when she justifies this deference on the basis of her own self-admittedly profound ignorance of the things upon which she presumes to legislate.

[2] And when it comes to the question of how she decides which "experts" ought to be deferred to (especially given her admission of complete and total ignorance on the relevant subject) ... well, just never you mind about any of that. Rest assured that it certainly doesn't have anything to do with campaign contributions, cronyism, influence peddling, or anything of that sort. It's just a dedicated public servant's humble acknowledgement of her own limitations. It's quite admirable, really.
 
As bold as criminals are these days, I don't open carry. The only advantage you have in an encounter with a criminal is the element of surprise (which favors the criminals until they make the first move, as they're the ones initiating the attack).

While I do agree that there is a PR-campaign benefit to getting people used to seeing law-abiding citizens doing nothing illegal with the gun on their hip, so as to make people accustomed to the idea, when you open carry it's basically telling criminals: "take me out first."

Couple of ASP videos out there where a guy gets disarmed while open carrying. One of them I believe the criminal just snatches the gun out the holster and walks off. While that's an exceptionally rare occurrence, I don't want to be that guy who everyone points and laughs at because some thug disarmed me while I was standing in the checkout line. I'd rather be the CC guy who shoots the criminal in the back while he's snatching guns out of other people's holsters.





This is bold criminal behavior, never even ended his phone call (like "hey bro, how you been? I just got a new gun":

 
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With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?

On the other hand, it's refreshing to hear a politician openly and explicitly admit that she doesn't really give a damn about liberty at all (or even about "muh democracy"), but that she will instead defer [1] to whatever the "experts" [2] want.



[1] The cherry on top comes when she justifies this deference on the basis of her own self-admittedly profound ignorance of the things upon which she presumes to legislate.

[2] And when it comes to the question of how she decides which "experts" ought to be deferred to (especially given her admission of complete and total ignorance on the relevant subject) ... well, just never you mind about any of that. Rest assured that it certainly doesn't have anything to do with campaign contributions, cronyism, influence peddling, or anything of that sort. It's just a dedicated public servant's humble acknowledgement of her own limitations. It's quite admirable, really.

So being an expert on weapons is now a requirement for political office? She deferred to the Sheriffs, you know the ones who would have to deal with the chaos that would occur in Florida when dudes started walking into Publix with an AR on their back and a Desert Eagle on their hip just because they can.

Some of you just don't get it at all. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. What just happened in Florida is a good thing, you no longer have to ask the government permission for what is a constitutional right. If you want to carry for personal safety it's reasonable to keep it concealed. Hell, the way the law is written, it's apparently also legal to briefly show the weapon if you feel threatened. Signing compromise bills like this gets people like DeSantis elected to higher office where he can actually do some good.
 
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