First to Secede?

virgil47 said:
Mexico has a great deal of oil. It also has trade agreements with oil producing countries. Can the same be said of Texas? You also bring up another important point. Mexico does have tanks and jets but Texas does not.
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And just what model tank does the Mexican army use? Hint: they must be stealth tanks because they are invisible. The Mexican army has 38 anti- tank weapon systems. They have 402 tracked infantry carriers from France and 52 from Germany, the rest of the army has wheeled vehicles.

The TX National Guard is a more powerful force than Mexico's military.

TX is a viable country because of natural resources and economy.
 
FSP-Rebel said:
People, AK and HI cannot secede, they were paid for. If the feds gave them up, I'd faint. It will be NH or VT if any. MT and WY are landlocked so not good choices from the get-go. Plz, look at the big picture.

SC has some good things goin for it but I'm just not seein it happenin.
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A lot of states were paid for, though-remember the Louisiana purchase? ;)
 
Given the historical, cultural and natural resource synergies -- I think Mexico would arguably be the first nation to recognize an Independent Texas.
 
LittleLightShining said:
NH couldn't even pass a Sovereignty Resolution.
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Not yet and neither has VT. We're working to give our state house a facelift and in time we'll at least have a resolution, especially as more libertarians move here and help the cause. Quite frankly, other than the income taxes I really don't feel a whole lot of oppression from DC. We don't have rogue law enforcement agencies that mess you up nor any significant statewide taxes that cramp my style. I really don't want to secede, I just want a law in place that excludes us from future intrusive federal laws.
 
FSP-Rebel said:
Not yet and neither has VT. We're working to give our state house a facelift and in time we'll at least have a resolution, especially as more libertarians move here and help the cause. Quite frankly, other than the income taxes I really don't feel a whole lot of oppression from DC. We don't have rogue law enforcement agencies that mess you up nor any significant statewide taxes that cramp my style. I really don't want to secede, I just want a law in place that excludes us from future intrusive federal laws.
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A resolution hasn't been introduced yet. Myself and 3 other VT C4L members drafted one over the summer and we're shopping it around right now.

Because our legislature has a Democratic supermajority we are working on bringing some typically leftist issues to the forefront in our pitch. We may not have rogue law enforcement agencies oppressing us but we do have federal food safety legislation putting ridiculous burdens on farmers, NAIS, data mining in the schools by the military via No Child Left Behind, the suggestion of a per cow carbon tax... and then we have marijuana and hemp farming, federal land grabs, gun control legislation, cap & trade, health care... the issues are very broad and appeal to all sides of the political spectrum. If we can get a Republican, a Democrat and a Progressive on board as sponsors I have a good feeling that we'll be able to get this through.
 
justinc.1089 said:
The thought crossed my mind the other day when the FSP had a money bomb.

I am going to certainly think about moving there later on after I graduate because it would be the best time to do it in my life probably if I ever do it. I mean I won't own a house or anything, or have a job or a family, so moving and starting off there wouldn't be that hard.


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I would sure hate the cold up there though being from SC lol!! But the good thing about that is that I would get to see real snow lol!! It only snows in SC once a decade, and thats only about 5-10 inches lol.
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SC is cold enuf! I too have thought about making the trip up there. What parts you from anyways?
 
Pericles said:
And just what model tank does the Mexican army use? Hint: they must be stealth tanks because they are invisible. The Mexican army has 38 anti- tank weapon systems. They have 402 tracked infantry carriers from France and 52 from Germany, the rest of the army has wheeled vehicles.

The TX National Guard is a more powerful force than Mexico's military.

TX is a viable country because of natural resources and economy.
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You are correct about the tanks however the Texas NATIONAL Guard does not belong to Texas. It belongs to the country it would attempt to secede from. The guard units would be activated and sent overseas at the first hint that Texas might attempt to actually secede. Without the Guard Texas would be a sitting duck. Mexico would love to have it's natural resources and it's economy to boost it's own. The North American Highway would run right to the border of Texas and make it much easier to force the North American Union upon the rest of us.
 
virgil47 said:
You are correct about the tanks however the Texas NATIONAL Guard does not belong to Texas. It belongs to the country it would attempt to secede from. The guard units would be activated and sent overseas at the first hint that Texas might attempt to actually secede. Without the Guard Texas would be a sitting duck. Mexico would love to have it's natural resources and it's economy to boost it's own. The North American Highway would run right to the border of Texas and make it much easier to force the North American Union upon the rest of us.
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Some people...there are a lot of countries that have MUCH less military might than Texas. Do you see them getting attacked and annexed by their neighbors all the time? Secondly, the TX National Guard is the STATE MILITIA. It doesn't belong to the Federal Government at all, and is why many States are passing legislation that disbars the President from ordering them around. You are a moron.
 
virgil, if a secessionist Texas were to be attacked, it would be from the Red River, not the Rio Grande. Even then, I can't see even the US having long term success conquering a nation of 25 million armed people. Just look at how successful they have been in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Austrian Econ Disciple said:
Some people...there are a lot of countries that have MUCH less military might than Texas. Do you see them getting attacked and annexed by their neighbors all the time? Secondly, the TX National Guard is the STATE MILITIA. It doesn't belong to the Federal Government at all, and is why many States are passing legislation that disbars the President from ordering them around. You are a moron.
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Name calling aside the government of Texas gave up the right to call the Texas National Guard the state militia when the U.S. gov. took over their guard units (nationalized them). Hence the name "NATIONAL GUARD". FYI the governor of Texas has no control over the use of the Texas National Guard except when the U.S. gov. has no need of them and even then the U.S. gov. can take them whenever it so chooses. By the way this applies to all of the states not just Texas. If and when the states grow a pair and actually tell the U.S. gov. that they are taking their guard units back and that they are going to keep all of the military hardware that the guard units have acquired then and only then would Texas or any other state have a fighting chance.
 
Yeah I'm going to bet on New Hampshire or Vermont seceding first. Hopefully the Libertarians of NH will influence the policies of Maine & Vermont..
 
Who ever goes first, must be accompanied soon after by others, simply dissolving federal power and giving no focal point for the federal government to attack. One great big walk away...
 
I'd bet on Hawai'i, or a Lakota Nation of Wyoming, Montana, and North and South Dakota.
 
we wont need to secede. bankrupt fed with a balanced budget state with overlapping laws on every level just means we can finally warm up that ole state government weve spent a third of our paycheck on. take it for a spin, see how it feels wearing a couple of those regulatory roles. its a little more responsive, better handling. not as much horsepower, but better gas mileage and less weight. much easier on the wallet.
 
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