Ferguson Follow-Up: “Any Felony Rule,” Velvet Gloves for the Iron Fist

[aGameOfThrones]

Nope. Just because I disagree with you in this instance doesn't mean I'm pro-Cop. Garner shouldn't have been touched. He was selling freaking cigarettes. He didn't hurt anybody or steal their property.

brown= deserved it because he allegedly did something illegal(unknown to the hero)

garner= didn't deserved it even when he allegedly did something illegal.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I'm not looking forward to playing the role of Mr. Civilization Officer in the future when the entire illusion of a civil society falls apart. I'm really not.

In this meantime of the pre-apocalypse, maybe you should get that complex checked out ...
... 'coz we ain't looking forward to you playing the role of "Mr. Civilization Officer" either.

 

[Warlord]

brown= deserved it because he allegedly did something illegal(unknown to the hero)

garner= didn't deserved it even when he allegedly did something illegal.

Kelly THomas did it to himself too lest we forget.

 

[AuH20]

Kelly Thomas didn't assault a store clerk or police officer. And he didn't take someone else s property. Don't disrespect his memory by even equating him with this Darwin Award winner.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Kelly Thomas didn't assault a store clerk or police officer. And he didn't take someone else s property. Don't disrespect his memory by even equating him with this Darwin Award winner.

Eric garner took the state's property(tax money), Eric garner hurt the state.

Kelly Thomas did this....

 

[SeanTX]

Kelly Thomas did this....

The two cases are remotely similar in some respects. Both started as a stop for a minor offense, that was then escalated.

Kelly Thomas was found to have had "stolen mail" from some law firm in his backpack. A possible federal offense, among other things (possible identity theft, etc). Maybe not as bad as "strong arm robbery", but perhaps equally illegal in the eyes of the law, or even more so.

And never mind that it may have been mail that was thrown away. Officer Ramos had no way of knowing that. He was just doing his job, investigating a possible crime. Then Kelly Thomas resisted arrest, and paid the ultimate price for contempt of cop. He did it to himself -- just as Mike Brown did.

We also shouldn't forget that a few years prior to this Kelly Thomas violently attacked his grandfather (that was trotted out during all of that, when of course it had nothing to do with the police murdering him ).

 

[CPUd]

From the dispatch audio (within the first 10 minutes or so), they had a call about a woman having a panic attack inside a store. The first mention of 'crowd control' came maybe a minute later. I don't know if the panic attack call was related to the robbery (they do give the address though).

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm rejecting this one out of hand until you provide proof that anyone anywhere said anything that gives any indication whatsoever that this cop was responding to a call about purloined candy cigarilloes, or that he was even vaguely aware that such an incident had taken place.

Nailed it.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...pect-in-Alleged-Robbery&p=5618249#post5618249

 

[Danke]

Nailed it.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...pect-in-Alleged-Robbery&p=5618249#post5618249

Listen to the whole Q&A from the police chief (not the edited down version). All he admits to is Wilson didn't initially know about the robbery.

 

[AuH20]

Listen to the whole Q&A from the police chief (not the edited down version). All he admits to is Wilson didn't initially know about the robbery.

Correct. Good find. They are trying to placate both sides and don't want to embarrass a grieving family.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Listen to the whole Q&A from the police chief (not the edited down version). All he admits to is Wilson didn't initially know about the robbery.

Right, so the initial contact could not have been related to the robbery.

Cop stops Brown and Johnson.

Cop gives them lip.

They give it back.

Cop stops and throws door open.

Brown figures, "Oh shit, I'm busted."

Slams door of cop car back on Wilson who draws and fires one shot.

Brown attempts to haul ass, but can't because his pants are around his knees.

Brown makes about ten yards.

Wilson shoots, however many times, and kills him.

 

[phill4paul]

Correct. Good find. They are trying to placate both sides and don't want to embarrass a grieving family.

No. The police chief is just an idiot that gets flustered and can't read from a prepared statement in front of a crowd. A timeline of events should have been presented by, at most, the second day into this. They are either incompetent or criminal. Perhaps a bit of both.

 

[AuH20]

Right, so the initial contact could not have been related to the robbery.

Cop stops Brown and Johnson.

Cop gives them lip.

They give it back.

Cop stops and throws door open.

Brown figures, "Oh shit, I'm busted."

Slams door of cop car back on Wilson who draws and fires one shot.

Brown attempts to haul ass, but can't because his pants are around his knees.

Brown makes about ten yards.

Wilson shoots, however many times, and kills him.

Based on the recount of what happened from a family friend. This is what allegedly happened:

Cop sees Brown and Johnson in middle of road. He tells them to move to side so he can pass. As he's passing they curse at him under their breath. Cop keeps going but puzzled by reaction. Pulls up ahead to side of the road monitoring them. Not soon after a call comes in from dispatch with info from the convenience store robbery. Cop sees that Johnson is carrying the cigars and clothing matches. Reverses course and drama ensues.

 

[phill4paul]

Based on the recount of what happened from a family friend. This is what allegedly happened:

Cop sees Brown and Johnson in middle of road. He tells them to move to side so he can pass. As he's passing they curse at him under his breath. Cop keeps going but puzzled by reaction. Pulls up ahead to side of the road monitoring them. Not soon after a call comes in from dispatch with info from the convenience store robbery. Cop sees that Johnson is carrying the cigars and clothing matches. Reverses course and drama ensues.

So a cops friend, who hears it from the cops wife, account is taken as gospel by you but none of the eyewitness accounts do. Interesting. Where is that "let's wait to see the facts" attitude from you?

 

[AuH20]

So a cops friend, who hears it from the cops wife, account is taken as gospel by you but none of the eyewitness accounts do. Interesting. Where is that "let's wait to see the facts" attitude from you?

I wouldn't say gospel but it makes far more sense than the other accounts. Especially after the prime eyewitness (suspect) was already shown to be lying. The original testimony is unraveling and now we learn key facts were omitted. Secondly, the police officer in question had a spotless record. No filed complaints or infractions in his 6 year career. Usually, sociopaths leave behind a paper trail to follow. It doesn't add up how this cop would suddenly deviate and kill with impunity. Meanwhile, we have Brown who already displayed his belligerent nature on the surveillance tape.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

I wouldn't say gospel but it makes far more sense than the other accounts. Especially after the prime eyewitness (suspect) was already shown to be lying. Secondly, the police officer in question had a sterling record. No filed complaints or infractions in his 6 year career. It doesn't add up how this cop would suddenly deviate and kill with impunity.

 

[AuH20]

Here it is:

"He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off. [which would explain the round going off in car]

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

It should be interesting to see what the toxicology reports reveal in 4 weeks.

 

[jclay2]

Escalating any situation to the finality of death. This, unfortunately, is standard operating procedure for cops. RIP peacemakers.

 

[jclay2]

I wouldn't say gospel but it makes far more sense than the other accounts. Especially after the prime eyewitness (suspect) was already shown to be lying. The original testimony is unraveling and now we learn key facts were omitted. Secondly, the police officer in question had a spotless record. No filed complaints or infractions in his 6 year career. Usually, sociopaths leave behind a paper trail to follow. It doesn't add up how this cop would suddenly deviate and kill with impunity. Meanwhile, we have Brown who already displayed his belligerent nature on the surveillance tape.

It is true that the details are still very fuzzy surrounding this. But do you really think that this stupid young kid provoked the cop to the point of his own execution? Sure it is possible, I just find it hard to believe.

 

[AuH20]

It is true that the details are still very fuzzy surrounding this. But do you really think that this stupid young kid provoked the cop to the point of his own execution? Sure it is possible, I just find it hard to believe.

I'm thinking the kid wanted to get out of there and the only way was through the cop. Fight or flight response. And being a man mountain with a likely history of physical conquests, he probably thought he would overpower the cop since the cop would be too frightened to shoot him in a black neighborhood.