Ferguson Follow-Up: “Any Felony Rule,” Velvet Gloves for the Iron Fist

[Philhelm]

Better yet, why have we built a society where armed grizzlies are wandering around amongst us all the time in the first place?

We have to get bear arms somewhere.

 

[AuH20]

If I had just robbed a store and a cop told me to get out of the street wouldn't I simply comply with his demands as he rode on by?

Yes, but the fugitive mind works in mysterious ways when under duress. Perhaps, he thought he was getting pinched after acquiring those boxes of ceegars?

 

[Philhelm]

I'm beginning to see what happened here, I think.

I'm not buying that timeline at all, but I'm thinking that St. Louis Co. PD just won the PR lottery, by matching up Brown and Johnson ripping off that store, to justify themselves, after the fact.

That would explain the delay in making any of this public, as they ginned up the reports, but not competently enough to make sure the time stamps lined up properly.

Would also explain why Brown pushed Wilson back into the car and tried to haul ass, figuring he was going to get busted for shoplifting.

What Brown did not reckon correctly is that he would get executed for that.

Spot on, most likely.

 

[thoughtomator]

Did you read my response. A 911 call was placed and redirected to dispatch. There wasn't any time intensive investigative work to be made. Wilson just needed to have his radio on. See the map.

On another thread it's been noted that Wilson did NOT know about the robbery or have reason to suspect his victim had committed a crime when he approached them with intent to use deadly force.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

The police chief in the St. Louis suburb where an unarmed black teenager was fatally shot by police says the officer didn't know the teen was a robbery suspect at the time of the shooting.

and you still defend the cop.

 

[SeanTX]

Would also explain why Brown pushed Wilson back into the car and tried to haul ass, figuring he was going to get busted for shoplifting.

What Brown did not reckon correctly is that he would get executed for that.

Are eyewitness reports now saying that he did in fact push him back into the car?


Because I remember at least two witnesses early on saying that the officer started to drive off, then backed up quickly after hearing someone mouth off, nearly hitting the two, then he opened his driver's side door, striking Brown with it . If that's so, Brown could have instinctively pushed back on the door that slammed into him, which could be considered "pushing the cop back into his car."

Perhaps an "accident", though I've seen video of a cop intentionally slamming a door on somebody's leg -- many cops do love to "put lumps on people", and not even their apologists can deny that one.

This may well have started with contempt of cop, then a possible assault by a police officer (or accidental striking of Brown), then Brown pushes back against the door, the cop reacts by grabbing him -- then on and on it went, spiraling out of control. Not everyone who the police choose to aggressively encounter over some minor thing is just going to sit back and take it.

Or who knows, maybe the cop striking him with the door never happened . Or , like AF speculated , he had just shoplifted and thought he might be going down for that, so he decided to attack the cop rather than be arrested. Who knows -- it doesn't help that the damn police want to drag out releasing even the most basic information -- they just open themselves up to all this speculation (then they complain about it).

 

[AuH20]

Are eyewitness reports now saying that he did in fact push him back into the car?


Because I remember at least two witnesses early on saying that the officer started to drive off, then backed up quickly after hearing someone mouth off, nearly hitting the two, then he opened his driver's side door, striking Brown with it . If that's so, Brown could have instinctively pushed back on the door that slammed into him, which could be considered "pushing the cop back into his car."

Perhaps an "accident", though I've seen video of a cop intentionally slamming a door on somebody's leg -- many cops do love to "put lumps on people", and not even their apologists can deny that one.

This may well have started with contempt of cop, then a possible assault by a police officer (or accidental striking of Brown), then Brown pushes back against the door, the cop reacts by grabbing him -- then on and on it went, spiraling out of control. Not everyone who the police choose to aggressively encounter over some minor thing is just going to sit back and take it.

Or who knows, maybe the cop striking him with the door never happened .

Here is another third person account from a friend of the officer. Woman called in. Note she said that he originally drove past them before turning back AFTER RECEIVING THE CALL:



2:40 mark - Assailant apparently taunted the officer before charging while gun was still pointed at him. DUMB DUMB DUMB. Good riddance. Categorize this one as young and dumb.

 

[Philhelm]

The arguments over this issue are ridiculous. It's pretty fucking obvious that the murderous, militaristic police are a far greater threat to liberty than some teenage hoodlum stealing candy bars.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

"robbery suspect"= not the main point

contempt of cop= is the main point!

 

[Lucille]

"robbery suspect"= not the main point

contempt of cop= is the main point!

The cop didn't even know he was a suspect at the time.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

The cop didn't even know he was a suspect at the time.

I know. my comment is for that murderer defender.

 

[AuH20]

The cop didn't even know he was a suspect at the time.

Not exactly. Officer never accosted or pulled over both suspects after 1st encounter. He simply wanted them to move over so he could pass. During this encounter words were muttered by both suspects and the officer kept going but he pulled up ahead being suspicious of what had just transpired. That's when the call came in detailing the stolen cigars and descriptions.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Not exactly. Officer never accosted or pulled over both suspects after 1st encounter. He simply wanted them to move over so he could pass. During this encounter words were muttered by both suspects and the officer kept going but he pulled up ahead being suspicious of what had just transpired. That's when the call came in detailing the stolen cigars and descriptions.

Source?

 

[AuH20]

Source?

Go to post #47.

 

[thoughtomator]

Go to post #47.

Multiple sources reporting Ferguson PD saying Wilson had no knowledge of the robbery and was not responding to a call.

 

[Danke]

Here is another third person account from a friend of the officer. Woman called in. Note she said that he originally drove past them before turning back AFTER RECEIVING THE CALL:



2:40 mark - Assailant apparently taunted the officer before charging while gun was still pointed at him. DUMB DUMB DUMB. Good riddance. Categorize this one as young and dumb.

Too bad the encounter wasn't recorded.

 

[AuH20]

Multiple sources reporting Ferguson PD saying Wilson had no knowledge of the robbery and was not responding to a call.

True initially. He ran into them completely at random. Then a call was made per 911 dispatch sent in by the Pakistani store owner. According to reports, Wilson never accosted them after telling them to move out of the road so he could pass. It was afterwards when he reversed back when all hell broke loose.

 

[AuH20]

Too bad the encounter wasn't recorded.

A woman said she was about to record it during the initial struggle but ran away after a round went off.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

I hope you atone for your 200 pro murderer posts. Eric garner deserved to be choked to death cuz he was "allegedly"(even when there is no actual proof he was doing that)selling untaxed cigarettes, am I right?

 

[AuH20]

I hope you atone for your 200 pro murderer posts. Eric garner deserved to be choked to death cuz he was "allegedly"(even when there is no actual proof he was doing that)selling untaxed cigarettes, am I right?

Nope. Just because I disagree with you in this instance doesn't mean I'm pro-Cop. Garner shouldn't have been touched. He was selling freaking cigarettes. He didn't hurt anybody or steal their property.