Ferguson Follow-Up: “Any Felony Rule,” Velvet Gloves for the Iron Fist

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Ferguson Follow-Up: “Any Felony Rule,” Velvet Gloves for the Iron Fist

Cops and paddyrollers killing people have been a problem since modern policing has been around.



Ferguson Follow-Up: “Any Felony Rule,” Velvet Gloves for the Iron Fist

William Norman Grigg

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blo...-felony-rule-velvet-gloves-for-the-iron-fist/

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, in a press conference notable for its brevity, identified the officer who shot Michael Brown as Darren Wilson, a six-year veteran of his department. Information distributed to the media included reports suggesting that Brown was a suspect in a strong-arm robbery of a package of cigars at a local convenience store. Still photographs, reportedly of the incident in the local QuikTrip, show a large young man resembling Brown involved in what appeared to be an assault on a much smaller individual in the store.

If Brown was a suspect in a crime of that kind, this case would have uncanny similarities to the 1974 incident in which another teenaged suspect, Edward Garner, was fatally shot while attempting to flee from a Memphis police officer following a burglary. As noted previously, that case went before the Supreme Court a decade later, resulting in the 1985 Tennessee v. Garner ruling in which the Court held that “The use of deadly force to prevent the escape of all felony suspects, whatever the circumstances, is constitutionally unreasonable.” This was a rejection of the “Any Felony Rule” under which officers in many states, including Tennessee, were authorized to use deadly force to stop a fleeing or resisting suspect.

The “Any Felony Rule,” it should be pointed out, didn’t enjoy universal approval, even in the supposedly barbarous 19th Century. In an 1858 editorial, the New York Times expressed alarm over the promiscuous use of lethal force by officers of the newly created NYPD against fleeing suspects: “The pistols are not used in self-defense, but to stop the men who are running away. They are considered substitutes for swift feet and long arms… [W]e doubt the propriety of employing them for such a purpose. A Policeman has no right to shoot a man for running away from him.”

The paper’s editorial board expressed concerns about “the policy of arming our Policemen with revolvers.” Today, of course, the thoroughly militarized NYPD is, as former Mayor Michael Bloomberg boasted a few years ago, the seventh-largest army in the world.

Disclosure of Officer Wilson’s name will increase public pressure for a criminal investigation into the shooting. However, there is still abundant reason to believe that the likely outcome of this matter will be a finding that Wilson — owing to his perception of the situation — acted justifiably under the “reasonable officer” standard. This may be complicated somewhat by eyewitness accounts that Brown was surrendering at the time he was fatally shot.

Chief Jackson claims that Wilson was “injured” in the reported struggle with Brown, and that he received treatment at a nearby hospital. No explanation has been provided for the fact that Brown, after being shot at a distance of about 35 feet from Wilson’s patrol vehicle, was left face-down in the street and received no medical attention. His lifeless body was eventually carried away in the back of an SUV.



Following several nights of protests and counter-insurgency warfare by the Ferguson PD, Missouri Governor Jay Nixon removed the Goon Squad and placed the Highway Patrol in charge of “public safety” in the city. The on-scene commander is Captain Ron Johnson, an African-American who was born and raised in the area.

One “emerging lesson” from Ferguson, apparently, is that after authorities employ the Iron Fist, they should quickly deploy people dressed in velvet gloves. Successful counter-insurgency operations, after all, require an effort to “win the hearts and minds” of the targeted population.
 
I think Grigg should quit while he is behind in this particular instance. Or at least wait until the investigation is completed. This is the wrong hill to die on IMHO.
 
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I think Grigg should quit while he is behind in this particular instance. Or at least wait until the investigation is completed. This is the wrong hill to die on IMHO.

That battle is already lost.

For the next few years, every cop abuse will be met with, "Yeah, but remember Ferguson?"
 
I think Grigg should quit while he is behind in this particular instance. Or at least wait until the investigation is completed. This is the wrong hill to die on IMHO.

Standing with the Burger Court when it said summary execution is not an appropriate response to a suspected criminal attempting to flee is 'the wrong hill to die on'?

Who says that hill is so besieged that the defenders will die there? Those Americans who think trying to outrun a donut-laden cop warrants the death penalty are a distinct minority. I don't know how carefully you have to pick your friends to be unaware of this, but it's true nonetheless.
 
Standing with the Burger Court when it said summary execution is not an appropriate response to a suspected criminal attempting to flee is 'the wrong hill to die on'?

Who says that hill is so besieged that the defenders will die there? Those Americans who think trying to outrun a donut-laden cop warrants the death penalty are a distinct minority. I don't know how carefully you have to pick your friends to be unaware of this, but it's true nonetheless.

We still don't know if this 6-4 294 pound man child escalated the situation. And based off of the prior incident in the convenience store as well as the tale of a struggle occurring within the car, I'm willing to theorize that our friend wasn't initially fleeing. Now that's not to say that cops on occasion don't shoot and ask questions later because it's well-documented that they have. I don't think Grigg's piece is entirely applicable without a full portrayal of what happened. And that's still up in the air.
 
I don't think Grigg's piece is entirely applicable without a full portrayal of what happened. And that's still up in the air.

You've been saying for days that you don't think the witnesses told the whole story and you were right about that--to no one's surprise. But no one has intimated for a second that the cops were aware that a large black man-child helped himself to a pack of blunt-makings. And even though a reasonable truth could have saved millions of dollars worth of damage we we haven't heard anything out of the authoritahs that would lead you to say we've been exposed to the truth.

Furthermore, if you tell me there's a holsterable handgun that can propel a 294 pound body thirty-five feet without breaking the wrist of the person who fires it with the recoil I will happily call you a liar.

Up in the air indeed. Airborne for thirty-five feet. Why are you trying to help them insult my intelligence?
 
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You've been saying for days that you don't think the witnesses told the whole story and you were right about that--to no one's surprise. But no one has intimated for a second that the cops were aware that a large black man-child helped himself to a pack of blunt-makings. And even though a reasonable truth could have saved millions of dollars worth of damage we we haven't heard anything out of the authoritahs that would lead you to say we've been exposed to the truth.

Furthermore, if you tell me there's a holsterable handgun that can propel a 294 pound body thirty-five feet without breaking the wrist of the person who fires it with the recoil I will happily call you a liar.

Up in the air indeed. Airborne for thirty-five feet. Why are you trying to help them insult my intelligence?

I think you bring up a valid point. But Dorian Johnson did tell the FBI that his friend did indeed steal the boxes of cigars. Secondly, there are prevalent rumors that the police could have easily prevented the looting but decided not to intervene. So perhaps the Ferguson PD was rope-a-doping the community the entire time for maximum effect. Let the savages be savages and then steal their thunder once the smoke clears.
 
I think you bring up a valid point. But Dorian Johnson did tell the FBI that his friend did indeed steal the boxes of cigars. Secondly, there are prevalent rumors that the police could have easily prevented the looting but decided not to intervene. So perhaps the Ferguson PD was rope-a-doping the community the entire time for maximum effect. Let the savages be savages and then steal their thunder once the smoke clears.

Given the damage, that would be yet an additional major felony - which would be consistent with the PD's behavior to date.
 
I still stand by this assessment of the entire situation.

Certainly a video of someone who might or might not be the dead man-child stealing a pack of smelly cigarilloes and pushing--not punching, but pushing--the clerk who confronts him hasn't done a thing to reassure me that this was all justified. Especially since that video footage makes it pretty clear that said smoke snatcher was not packing heat.
 
Certainly a video of someone who might or might not be the dead man-child stealing a pack of smelly cigarilloes and pushing--not punching, but pushing--the clerk who confronts him hasn't done a thing to reassure me that this was all justified. Especially since that video footage makes it pretty clear that said smoke snatcher was not packing heat.

IF Brown doesn't decide to steal boxes of cigars for his habit, he probably never meets officer friendly. In fact, he actually had a reprieve if he simply surrendered to the officer. So at the end of the day, the gentle giant chose poorly.

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He received an F for situational awareness not once but twice. People want to blame the cops but we intimately know what cops do. It's the same reason you don't run into the Alaskan wilderness with shell steaks strapped to your back. Ya know. Brown bears.
 
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IF Brown doesn't decide to steal boxes of cigars for his habit, he probably never meets officer friendly. In fact, he actually had a reprieve if he simply surrendered to the officer. So at the end of the day, the gentle giant chose poorly.

I'm rejecting this one out of hand until you provide proof that anyone anywhere said anything that gives any indication whatsoever that this cop was responding to a call about purloined candy cigarilloes, or that he was even vaguely aware that such an incident had taken place.
 
The problem with that analogy is that, in free society anyway, every encounter with a cop should not HAVE to be treated with the same apprehension as meeting an Alaskan bear which is ready to rip your head off at any second.

Better yet, why have we built a society where armed grizzlies are wandering around amongst us all the time in the first place?

IF Brown doesn't decide to steal boxes of cigars for his habit, he probably never meets officer friendly. In fact, he actually had a reprieve if he simply surrendered to the officer. So at the end of the day, the gentle giant chose poorly.

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He received an F for situational awareness not once but twice. People want to blame the cops but we intimately know what cops do. It's the same reason you don't run into the Alaskan wilderness with shell steaks strapped to your back. Ya know. Brown bears.
 
I'm rejecting this one out of hand until you provide proof that anyone anywhere said anything that gives any indication whatsoever that this cop was responding to a call about purloined candy cigarilloes, or that he was even vaguely aware that such an incident had taken place.

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I'm rejecting this one out of hand until you provide proof that anyone anywhere said anything that gives any indication whatsoever that this cop was responding to a call about purloined candy cigarilloes, or that he was even vaguely aware that such an incident had taken place.

This.

At best, all this shows is perhaps why Brown ran.

Ineffectively, as it turns out, due in no small part to the fact that, being "in the style", he had his pants halfway to his knees.

And I'm serious about this, not just taking a middle aged white man's slap at a ridiculous black fashion trend.

Pull your fucking pants up...your life may depend on it.
 
The problem with that analogy is that, in free society anyway, every encounter with a cop should not HAVE to be treated with the same apprehension as meeting an Alaskan bear which is ready to rip your head off at any second.

Better yet, why have we built a society where armed grizzlies are wandering around amongst us all the time in the first place?

Society is reeling out of control (people foolishly expect teachers and cops to raise their kids) and in turn, we have let police become too unwieldy and revenue hungry. That's the issue we're faced with. I'm not looking forward to playing the role of Mr. Civilization Officer in the future when the entire illusion of a civil society falls apart. I'm really not.
 
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He received an F for situational awareness not once but twice.

You are earning an F in situational awareness as well. Michael Brown is not your problem. Militarized, murderous police forces all over the country functionally eliminating your inalienable rights are.

Please explain to me what you are not getting as to which one is the important thing you should be focused on.
 
Society is reeling out of control (people foolishly expect teachers and cops to raise their kids) and in turn, we have let police become too unwieldy and revenue hungry. That's the issue we're faced with. I'm not looking forward to playing the role of Mr. Civilization Officer in the future when the entire illusion of a civil society falls apart. I'm really not.

So all this striving for freedom is pointless, then.

Your contention is that without a heavy handed, authoritarian force to keep "the savages" in line, we'll devolve into barbarism?
 
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