Ferguson decision is in -- NO INDICTMENT

[GunnyFreedom]

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[Antischism]

That cops have the unquestioned POWER to use lethal force no matter what their motivation...fear, racism, hubris, insecurity, bad marriage, jock itch, hangover...THAT is the problem. It's not racism; it's sanctioned immunity.

It's both. You don't need to dismiss the racial aspects of it to make the point that these injustices affect people of all color. You can simply use this as an opportunity to educate people about the grand scale of it if it really bothers you that much to talk about the racism that very much still exists, systemic or otherwise.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And with good reason to not feel safe. It's NOT safe. A gang of psychopaths in blue, know if they want to kill a man they will get away with it. Especially if he's black. The police are not being held to account, in ANY case. Not from the most guilty to the most innocent. The few exceptions that prove the rule, are either off-duty, or they amount to weeks where you and I would get years.

If the 1000% innocent get trampled to death without so much as a blinking eye, then what hope is there for me, who is only human, and Lord knows which of their crazy rules I broke today?

All around America, these people are killing without consequence, and by and large the traditional electorate will defend it, because the only examples they are allowed to see are people like Michael Brown. Forcing the ambiguous ones to the top as a wedge to wedge people apart and keep us divided.

Miriam Cary was executed by the American Police State. The Police State has totally encroached most of the United States. The Police State has adopted a wartime footing, and applies a Rules Of Engagement that belongs in a combat zone.

The State has been able to kill black men without consequence for a very long time. What is new, is the ability to kill pretty much anybody without consequence. The Police State is applying those lessons, and you can bet the first cold blooded white killing that explodes across the news cycle will be a thug of some kind. Another stage of division.

Michael Brown should not have died. He is not blameless, he put himself into the position in the first place, and then he chose not to lay low. However in America we have something called due process. Was it life or death? We have no way of knowing. If it was legitimate self defence, then Wilson should be found Not Guilty by a jury of his peers. There was clearly enough questions in the contradicting evidence to bring an examination of the facts. Maybe it was a cold blooded execution. I don't know, because we have not been given the occasion to examine the evidence. Only a bunch of contradicting rumors and stories and videos which all seem to say something different.

We are being played, whether it the police 'accidentally on purpose' leaving the body out and then a complicit media, there is some organized force that is promoting a specific narrative that is further worsening the chaos and division. It is like what Hitler did dividing everyone up into enemy groups. There is a great 1948 US docupropaganda "Make Mine Freedom" that describes 'what is fascism' really well, narrated by a German man. That division is what they are doing. Brown is promoted above Gurley, because Brown is divisive and Gurley is uniting. That division is how they exact control.

I cannot rep this enough.

 

[CPUd]

Reported carjacking of media personnel on W Flourissant / Canefield near Brown memorial.

 

[otherone]

Michael Brown should not have died. He is not blameless, he put himself into the position in the first place, and then he chose not to lay low. However in America we have something called due process. Was it life or death? We have no way of knowing. If it was legitimate self defence, then Wilson should be found Not Guilty by a jury of his peers. There was clearly enough questions in the contradicting evidence to bring an examination of the facts. Maybe it was a cold blooded execution. I don't know, because we have not been given the occasion to examine the evidence. Only a bunch of contradicting rumors and stories and videos which all seem to say something different.

Well said. It's ironic that in a country guided by the "rule of law", neither Brown nor Wilson were tried before a jury.

 

[otherone]

It's both. You don't need to dismiss the racial aspects of it to make the point that these injustices affect people of all color. You can simply use this as an opportunity to educate people about the grand scale of it if it really bothers you that much to talk about the racism that very much still exists, systemic or otherwise.

It doesn't bother me. I just won't let it distract me. Was Miriam Carey executed because she was black? Or a woman?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Still haven't found the right video, but while searching I found another one.


Wow.

 

[Antischism]

It doesn't bother me. I just won't let it distract me.

Fair enough, but I don't think minorities who've had to deal with this for decades would call it a mere distraction. I'd say they more intimately know the full extent of our broken justice system.

 

[invisible]

Reported carjacking of media personnel on W Flourissant / Canefield near Brown memorial.

Where was this reported? Have you found an active stream?

 

[CPUd]

About 30 individuals on Chambers / W Flourissant. Officers dispatched to explain county ordinance and request to leave.

 

[CPUd]

Where was this reported? Have you found an active stream?

It is the police scanner:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner

 

[CPUd]

4 shots fired near Brown Memorial on Canefield.


Media filming is causing the issue with the people on W Flourissant.

Only police cars to be used to block traffic, not the Guard buses.

 

[invisible]

It is the police scanner:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner

Thanks. I haven't found any video streams yet, at least not that I'm able to view.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

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[brushfire]

Always funny to me that libertarians are suspicious of everything the government says or does....except when it comes to the murder of a black man, "oh he probably deserved it"

There are some interesting changes in the story, but I have to imagine there were Brown's peers in that jury - at least 1/2 of them. To me, this really is not as much of a black issue as people are making it out to be. Then again, maybe it is - where was all the support for Erik Scott? How many costco's got burned down as a result of all the police officers being acquitted? At least Brown got a grand jury - Erik didnt fkn sh!t, other than a BS mock court, coroner's inquest, which was completely staged as a formality, with no intentions of serving any kind of justice.

Probably because there was no race to embrace. The media could not play the races against each other. Also, the metro police in vegas were involved in a brazen/blatant cover-up, and NOBODY held their a$$es accountable.

Most, if not all, true libertarians recognize the prejudice and inequality in the legal system, but the same can be said for "other" government programs. The whole thing is pretty disgusting to me because I know its just another means to perpetuate segregation. Its one thing to be proud of our individuality, its another thing to self segregate.

My hope at this point is that we can now see the full line of evidence, but that will probably never happen. Its hard to tell as to whether justice was served in any capacity, but one thing I can say is this: If the Ferguson police run their beat anything like they do the riot control, they probably smoked Brown's a$$ in cold blood. There's no way anyone here really knows for sure.

 

[osan]

I'm a middle aged white man living in northern New England.

And I do not feel safe around police officers, period.

Any rational person, male or female, regardless of color, who is not addled by Stockholm Syndrome, ought to feel the same way.

And that is the problem.

Agreed. Black folk have no monopoly on valid fear of police; everyone does. Cops on the average are raving, dangerous lunatics who I will seriously posit need to locked into a rubber room and heavily medicated in lieu of the less politically-correct solution of being humanely euthanized.

That cops have the unquestioned POWER to use lethal force no matter what their motivation...fear, racism, hubris, insecurity, bad marriage, jock itch, hangover...THAT is the problem. It's not racism; it's sanctioned immunity.

This is the real root of the trouble. To cry about "racist" cops is by implication to diminish the validity and significance of all the other reasons they violate the rights of others, up to and including cold-blooded murder. That should not stand. We need to realize and maintain in the forefront of our awareness that the reasons cops do what they do are mainly irrelevant. All that counts is that they do it and need to be held accountable by any means necessary, up to and including privately apprehending them and subjecting them to proper moral justice. There is nothing magical or otherwise special about a public court. In fact, as most of us see, there is much against recommending them as they are rife with corruption. I therefore see absolutely no problem with private parties apprehending these wicked people, trying them, sentencing them, and carrying out those sentences. But it should be borne in mind that such private courts should be held to the higher standard to which public courts are bound, in theory. Tyranny and evil can issue from any corner of humanity. Just as there is nothing magical about public courts, so it maybe said for those private. Good behavior is good behavior and rotten is rotten, no matter who the actors might be, their titles, or their fancy hats.

 

[osan]

Always funny to me that libertarians are suspicious of everything the government says or does....except when it comes to the murder of a black man, "oh he probably deserved it"

Care to provide some hard examples? I have never once seen or heard anybody of a libertarian bent indicate such a personal position as this in even the most oblique language.

 

[otherone]

Fair enough, but I don't think minorities who've had to deal with this for decades would call it a mere distraction. I'd say they more intimately know the full extent of our broken justice system.

Until everyone wakes up and realizes the system is broken for everyone , nothing will change. Sorry that I didn't mention the "R" word.

 

[donnay]

The police presence is becoming more intimidating, along with the National Guard. Watch it LIVE Now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcoMSOY2xU

 

[Anti Federalist]

There are some interesting changes in the story, but I have to imagine there were Brown's peers in that jury - at least 1/2 of them. To me, this really is not as much of a black issue as people are making it out to be. Then again, maybe it is - where was all the support for Erik Scott? How many costco's got burned down as a result of all the police officers being acquitted? At least Brown got a grand jury - Erik didnt fkn sh!t, other than a BS mock court, coroner's inquest, which was completely staged as a formality, with no intentions of serving any kind of justice

Maybe if white folks would get out the damn street and raise some hell, maybe he would have gotten at least a grand jury formality.