Ferguson decision is in -- NO INDICTMENT

As someone who is relentlessly critical of government police forces and their use of force against people, I find this shooting hardly deserving of all the criticism it has received. There are many, many more instances of the pigs killing people (white, black and brown) who did NOTHING to provoke the pigs and yet there was little uproar over those killings.

Michael Brown, as indicated by the video of the strong arm petty theft he committed before being shot, was most likely a reprobate and a thug. You're not going to find a lot of people here who are going to find the loss of that kind of person to be, well, any loss. If that had been my store, he probably would have been given the choice of being able to leave without my property or expiring with my property in the parking lot. The fact that I find Michael Brown to be not particularly a sympathetic figure has nothing to do with any bigotry on my part; had he been white I would have thought the exact same thing.

The fact is that if there is a justifiable case of shooting to death an unarmed man, this is probably as close a case as you can get. I'm not saying it is justified, but rather it's not particularly egregious, especially given the cases of the guy in Wal-Mart or the 12yo on the playground with a BB gun.

No doubt. This is obviously bigger than Michael Brown. This is a build up from decades and decades of police brutality, murder, injustice, etc. A lot of those people at this protest really don't care about the facts of the case, some just want to finally see justice, some only want retribution, some just want to start shit.
 
The media is working overtime to make this into a race issue. Black Panthers and KKK what the hell? They are getting desperate. Truth has to be suppressed, especially now that recent polls show trust in government and media is at an all time LOW. httx://www.gallup.com/poll/5392/trust-government.aspx Funny how they never report on that.

The majority no longer trusts media and those that govern. When that happens fear, threats and force will be ratcheted up by the minority. Keep the majority disorganized, confused and distracted and they can stay in control for a while. For when the majority becomes organized, understanding and on task its game over.
 
AP: Protesters swarm courthouse steps in St. Louis
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-11-25-14-35-36
ST. LOUIS (AP) -- Protesters angry about the grand jury decision to not indict Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson have overturned barricades and swarmed the steps of the federal courthouse in downtown St. Louis.

About 300 people marched from a park to the courthouse during the lunch hour Tuesday and remained there for about 30 minutes before heading elsewhere. Organizers gave tips beforehand to anyone who was planning to be intentionally arrested.

Those who swarmed the courthouse steps chanted "You didn't indict. We shall fight."

It was one of several protests in the St. Louis area Tuesday over Monday's grand jury decision not to indict Wilson for killing 18-year-old Michael Brown on Aug. 9.

Several Ferguson businesses were burned during the protest that erupted after the grand jury decision was announced Monday night.
 
Any bets on if there will or will not be further riots/tear gas tonight?
 
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Always funny to me that libertarians are suspicious of everything the government says or does....except when it comes to the murder of a black man, "oh he probably deserved it"

I'm pretty sure the folks around here are constantly raising hell about innocent black victims of police brutality. Just because people here are suspicious of the ones the media inflames riots over doesn't negate the fact that we are raising hell over black victims ALL. THE. TIME. It just that they don't think THIS case deserves all the hubbub of, say Akai Gurley, Baby Bou Bou, or Eric Garner.

You might have a point except for, well, the seven solid years of history on RPF's that are directly opposite of your observation.
 
The media is working overtime to make this into a race issue. Black Panthers and KKK what the hell? They are getting desperate. Truth has to be suppressed, especially now that recent polls show trust in government and media is at an all time LOW. httx://www.gallup.com/poll/5392/trust-government.aspx Funny how they never report on that.

The majority no longer trusts media and those that govern. When that happens fear, threats and force will be ratcheted up by the minority. Keep the majority disorganized, confused and distracted and they can stay in control for a while. For when the majority becomes organized, understanding and on task its game over.

I completely agree with you. It's the media that is driving this frenzy. In sports, if someone runs on the field, they pan away from them as to not give them attention. We saw it in the debates and the blackout of Ron Paul and other legitimate protests around the country and the world. The fact that the media has given so much attention to this protest has gotten the people into a frenzy. They have people on these forums who are normally anti-police, cheering on the police.

This is how you get public support for the cops and there are a lot of you who are cheering it on. Saying things like, "Well, i don't normally support police but in this case, it's different." The government and the police win again. The rest of us, we lose. Fighting for scraps while they take our fking dinner.
 
Agreed.

I am still amazed at the BS spouted about the "thug" Trayvon Martin. :rolleyes:

As for Ferguson, the store video is even in question; there was some pretty good input about it from our man Will Grigg.

This from the guy who tried to accuse me of being racist for blaming the media for everything happening in Ferguson. :rolleyes:

Forgive me if seeing your bias sticking out in lumps makes it harder for me to take you seriously.
 
This from the guy who tried to accuse me of being racist for blaming the media for everything happening in Ferguson. :rolleyes:

Forgive me if seeing your bias sticking out in lumps makes it harder for me to take you seriously.

Agreed. Having listened to the final arguments it the Treyvon Martin case, I can't see why people still insist there was some sort of injustice done there. The injustice was that there was a trial at all.
 
This from the guy who tried to accuse me of being racist for blaming the media for everything happening in Ferguson. :rolleyes:

Forgive me if seeing your bias sticking out in lumps makes it harder for me to take you seriously.

I apologized to you for my remark sounding personal; do you miss that? And I never even intimated your remarks were racist.

And YES- I am biased; biased against people who assume they know all w/o the facts and many here are prejudiced against other races- shocker, I know.
 
Protestors in Baltimore blocking intersections at this hour multiple other protests in different cities around the country getting underway.
 
Agreed. Having listened to the final arguments it the Treyvon Martin case, I can't see why people still insist there was some sort of injustice done there. The injustice was that there was a trial at all.

It pisses me off that there are 1000 obvious cases that probably DESERVE riots, and then people gonna riot over the ones that don't. It's not about color. I wanted to see riots behind Miriam Carey. It's the media that's driving this, and by buying the media line, hook and sinker, we are worse off than when we started. There is now more division than before Ferguson, there is now more racial tension than before Ferguson. The right takes the police abuse less seriously than before, the left thinks the right is a bunch of old white racists more than they did before, and it's because Sharpton and the media have driven people to riot over Brown but ignore Carey, and Gurley, and so on.

If you are gonna riot, riot over the innocent victims of police brutality. Rioting for the likely guilty is counter-productive and it sets back the work most of us have been doing by years.

If anybody thinks that position makes me 'racist,' then the problem is within themselves.
 
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I apologized to you for my remark sounding personal; do you miss that? And I never even intimated your remarks were racist.

And YES- I am biased; biased against people who assume they know all w/o the facts and many here are prejudiced against other races- shocker, I know.

Um, I'm the guy saying "we don't know" and "this is vague and ambiguous."

You are the guy claiming knowledge that they are innocent.

And you apologized for the tone rather than the substance? Forgive me if I take that as a non-apology.
 
What is dumb is you simpletons always acting like it is one particular case.

When the Rodney King riots happened, it wasn't just about Rodney king. these riots aren't just about Michael Brown.

And your first critique is lame, too. Of course they can't storm the FBI or the police station. they have to hti where there is no protection. If they ever do strom the Bastille, you still would be bitching, anyway.

Honestly, and no shit.

This shit didn't happen in a vacuum, I've posted numerous well sourced articles that prove that police harassment, brutality and shakedowns in the Ferguson area have been ongoing for years.

People have had fucking enough, and I don't blame them.


I just wish they'd trash more government buildings and cop cars instead of local businesses, but a riot does not discriminate.

But as you noted, the forces of the Empire make sure to stand guard over their citadels and fortresses.

The common mundane's property?

Fuck 'em.
 
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I have made no claims of innocence- rather that nobody knows nothin'.

I have respect for you GunnyFreedom but if you cannot accept my sincere apology, as things written on the net can easily be misinterpreted:

 
It pisses me off that there are 1000 obvious cases that probably DESERVE riots, and then people gonna riot over the ones that don't. It's not about color. I wanted to see riots behind Miriam Carey. It's the media that's driving this, and by buying the media line, hook and sinker, we are worse off than when we started. There is now more division than before Ferguson, there is now more racial tension than before Ferguson. The right takes the police abuse less seriously than before, the left thinks the right is a bunch of old white racists more than they did before, and it's because Sharpton and the media have driven people to riot over Brown but ignore Carey, and Gurley, and so on.

If you are gonna riot, riot over the innocent victims of police brutality. Rioting for the likely guilty is counter-productive and it sets back the work most of us have been doing by years.

If anybody thinks that position makes me 'racist,' then the problem is within themselves.

Exactly. It is hardly an accident that every case of real self-defense get's treated like the worst case of racists lynching and the real cases of police brutality are completely ignored. It's maddening and people who are a little gullible fall for it time and time again.
 
It pisses me off that there are 1000 obvious cases that probably DESERVE riots, and then people gonna riot over the ones that don't. It's not about color. I wanted to see riots behind Miriam Carey. It's the media that's driving this, and by buying the media line, hook and sinker, we are worse off than when we started. There is now more division than before Ferguson, there is now more racial tension than before Ferguson. The right takes the police abuse less seriously than before, the left thinks the right is a bunch of old white racists more than they did before, and it's because Sharpton and the media have driven people to riot over Brown but ignore Carey, and Gurley, and so on.

If you are gonna riot, riot over the innocent victims of police brutality. Rioting for the guilty is counter-productive and it sets back the work most of us have been doing by years.

If anybody thinks that position makes me 'racist,' then the problem is within themselves.

Gunny, have you considered why this particular incident with Brown got traction so fast?...i have.

I first got alerted when i heard this kids body had been lying in the street for over 4 hours. People started getting pissed off over that big time. Not to mention the fact the shooting was in Browns neighborhood. Cell phone video, gathering of locals around the scene. More video, local news, then National News. Cop kills black kid. This is big news to black people i suppose. Cop kills another black scary looking kid who stole cigars and had the audacity to walk in the street...fast forward, and here we are...again.
 
Governor on he just said;
- they are ramp-ing National Guard in the area from 700 (in a hundred locations) to ~2200 (working in shifts)
- NG will be positioned in different parts of the town to protect businesses and people

Chief said
- they had 400 officers last night
- called up additional 60 officers from surrounding area last night to assist
 
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Wow.

So a lot happened while I was out drinking last night and asleep all day. Just finished catching up. Hopefully the violence will quiet down tonight so that more peaceful protests can continue.

I do consider burning down a police station to be a peaceful protest, so let's see some of that.
 
Was It Planned?
Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

Writes a friend:

I believe the Ferguson destruction (as pointed out, except for government buildings) was planned. It’s going to be used as justification for their heavy-handed, militarized presence. “See what happens when we don’t respond strongly.” So they let the city burn and they let the looters have control.

I was watching live last night until 4 in the morning. When the row of cars were set on fire, they were showing the parking lot from the air. There were about five guys on the right side of the camera shot in the parking lot, standing behind the next row of cars, but they panned away quickly. I got suspicious then. And the fire didn’t spread from the first car, down. Multiple cars, several cars away from each, were set on fire. I watched it live.

In my opinion, this just shows that the government can’t, or won’t, protect you. They look after themselves. You’re on your own.

A couple of other things to point out.

Next to the parking lot of burning cars, the Conoco gas station building was on fire. It started with the burning of a church bus parked in the lot. Then the building was set on fire. The car did not set the building on fire because it was too far away. The gas pumps were not connected to the building. They were separated by pavement and were under an awning-type roof, but they never blew. Now it seems to me an arsonist would want to get more bang for his buck, so to speak, and blow those gas pumps. But if you’re trying to only start self-contained fires, you wouldn’t set the pumps on fire, because when they blow, you don’t know where burning pieces will fall and what will catch on fire because of it. Perhaps that gas was too precious to burn. Just a thought.

Also, during the live broadcast last night, the cameras were showing a group of protesters with a police line stretched out in front of it. One reporter said someone in the crowd yelled out that the KKK was behind the police line and the protesters started getting agitated. But one of the so-called peacekeepers in the community let them know that it was only a rumor and eventually things settled down. I think that was just a ploy to get them riled up and destructive so the police could move in. Eventually, the police left because the protesters were calm and “staying on the sidewalk and out of the street.” They didn’t get an aggressive response from them.

Yet today, Joe Hicks, a community advocate, talking on CNN, said “the Revolutionary Communist Party, Occupy Wall Street people, and the New Black Panthers” were on the ground in Ferguson last night. And L.Z. Granderson responded that the “KKK” were on the ground in Ferguson last night, too. Go figure.

12:31 pm on November 25, 2014
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