Ferguson decision is in -- NO INDICTMENT

[specsaregood]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson,_Missouri
Ferguson is a city in St. Louis County, Missouri, United States.[1] It is part of the Greater St. Louis metropolitan area. The population was 21,203 at the 2010 census.[5]

You're saying that you honestly believe that if all 21,203 people who live in "Ferguson proper" started rioting nobody would notice? Divide that number by 10. If 2,120 people rioted all at once that would garner media attention.

No, I'm saying that if the only people that showed up were actual residents of the small little locale known as ferguson then it would be a small crowd. nowhere in my statement did I say that if EVERY SINGLE PERSON living in the small borders of ferguson showed up.

 

[JK/SEA]

can anyone help me out here?...i'm wondering why this mantra of..''but they're not from here'' has any relevance?...

seems that if anyone has any sense of the workings of the U.S. Constitution, would be keeping their yap shut on the right of the people to protest, destruction and violence aside, people have a right to protest regardless of radical ideology.

The original Tea Party was off the hook then right?...no?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

We are gonna have to agree to disagree then. Ferguson is a small little town right in the middle of a major metropolitan city. You could probably walk out of ferguson in be in a different "town" and not even know it. I wouldn't consider anybody from most of st.louis county as "non-local". If you can take the metrobus there you are a local. Even people from east st.louis should probably be considered local, but I'll give you that.

The people pushing that meme are trying to paint the image that the people causing the problem are coming from far away and just there to make trouble and arent' at all representative of the people of that community. That's b.s. Hell if the only people that showed up to this bruahaha were people that lived in the small borders of "ferguson", there wouldn't be enough people there to warrant any media.

When I lived near Los Angeles my experience was you could pass through three whole foreign countries over hundreds of miles without leaving contiguous urbanization.

 

[specsaregood]

When I lived near Los Angeles my experience was you could pass through three whole foreign countries over hundreds of miles without leaving contiguous urbanization.

Right and when I lived in Redondo, I wouldnt consider somebody that lived in Hermosa or Torrance or even hollywood as an "out of towner" or non-local or any such thing.

 

[juleswin]

I think the entire police force should leave the town of Ferguson. As soon as they leave the violence will stop. Citizens will begin shopping for for their own protection agencies and governments and everything will be wonderful.

Wishful thinking my friend. Half of the city would most likely be razed before things will get any better. Most people are out for revenge and people who are out for revenge tend not to act in a rational manner. The best thing would be to reverse the grand jury decision and give the man a fair trial.

 

[jmdrake]

No, I'm saying that if the only people that showed up were actual residents of the small little locale known as ferguson then it would be a small crowd. nowhere in my statement did I say that if EVERY SINGLE PERSON living in the small borders of ferguson showed up.

Okay. What's your point? Seriously? Mine is that the vast majority of the rioters were not representative of Ferguson proper. And you seem to be saying the same thing. So.....what's your point? That the riots the immediately after the killing were not from people bussed in from out of state? Of course not. That wouldn't even be possible. The point that I'm making is that the rioters were by in large not burning up their own neighborhood. To me that is a very important point. It's easier to burn up someone else's neighborhood even if that neighborhood can be reached by "metro bus." This time around I expect will see even more out of state rioters arrested.

 

[JK/SEA]

Okay. What's your point? Seriously? Mine is that the vast majority of the rioters were not representative of Ferguson proper. And you seem to be saying the same thing. So.....what's your point? That the riots the immediately after the killing were not from people bussed in from out of state? Of course not. That wouldn't even be possible. The point that I'm making is that the rioters were by in large not burning up their own neighborhood. To me that is a very important point. It's easier to burn up someone else's neighborhood even if that neighborhood can be reached by "metro bus." This time around I expect will see even more out of state rioters arrested.

hate to tell you this, but why is it a wrong for ..'out of area' folks to not engage?...

 

[SeanTX]

Unfortunately, most people will look at what happened in Ferguson last night and say "this is why we need militarized police." However, I think it just showed how worthless they really are, since it doesn't seem they are ever used effectively.

From what I saw and heard on the police scanners and livestreams, it appeared that the police were in total "observe and report" mode -- just doing things like reporting on fires, but not actually doing anything to intervene. I remember one report on the scanner of "people in the Walgreens appear to be starting a fire" -- but there was no indication cops were actually taking any action to try and stop it.

They were just watching it all from the safety of their vehicles, but doing nothing. Armed fire spotters basically, and armed escorts for the fire trucks. Of course the police and their supporters would say "back in the summer we tried to be proactive, and we got criticized for it, so now we'll just go hands off and do nothing."

What they got criticism for was for things like snipers on MRAPs aiming rifles at peaceful crowds and firing rubber bullets and tear gas into mostly peaceful crowds -- while often ignoring the looting and burning in other places nearby.

I don't think anyone would give a damn about cops firing rubber bullets and tear gas at a crowd that's obviously trying to burn down a business, or actively looting it. If they had done a little of that last night it might have at least slowed things down a bit, but they didn't. I'm sure the attitude of the average cop there last night was "let it burn, so long as we can just contain it to Ferguson."

Observe, report, stay safe, and let that sweet OT pay keep racking up ...

 

[jmdrake]

hate to tell you this, but why is it a wrong for ..'out of area' folks to not engage?...

Ummmm....sentence structure difficult to decipher. Did you mean to say "Why is it a wrong for 'out of area' folks to engage?" Anyway it's wrong for anyone to burn the business of someone who had nothing to do with whatever the offending officer did. And it's easier psychologically to burn a business in someone else's neighborhood. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[JK/SEA]

Ummmm....sentence structure difficult to decipher. Did you mean to say "Why is it a wrong for 'out of area' folks to engage?" Anyway it's wrong for anyone to burn the business of someone who had nothing to do with whatever the offending officer did. And it's easier psychologically to burn a business in someone else's neighborhood. Why is that so hard to understand?

oops..yeah, morning hiccups with the brain....plus my left eye has an issue..gets hard to see what i type, but yeah, just thinking outside the box here...

'out of towners' doing stuff is the price we pay for allowing cops to be un-bridled...

i don't condone biz destruction, but i understand the 'whys'...

 

[jmdrake]

oops..yeah, morning hiccups with the brain....plus my left eye has an issue..gets hard to see what i type, but yeah, just thinking outside the box here...

'out of towners' doing stuff is the price we pay for allowing cops to be un-bridled...

i don't condone biz destruction, but i understand the 'whys'...

That's cool. We all have brain farts. Anyway, back to your point. Do you remember the Watts riots? How productive were they? Here is a very good critique of them by a black author.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300103.html

So no. I don't understand the "whys". Why do something so counterproductive to your own cause?

 

[osan]

Yeah, never understood that.

"The police murdered a kid! The courts are corrupt! Fuck the police!"

"Lets go burn down our neighborhood and the stores we shop at!"

"Yeah! That'll teach the cops!"


I guess though that the out-of-town ers are responsible for most of the violence. And to the other point that the rioting draws out the cops. They did get a cop car though.

These people are in part being guided by those with no interest in justice. The rest of it is garden variety, blind stupidity and cowardice. How many of those people do you think have the guts to storm a police station? That's what I thought.

 

[orenbus]

 

[JK/SEA]

That's cool. We all have brain farts. Anyway, back to your point. Do you remember the Watts riots? How productive were they? Here is a very good critique of them by a black author.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300103.html

So no. I don't understand the "whys". Why do something so counterproductive to your own cause?

until you really know the true desperation of a group of people that have been 'marginalized' by the PTB, AND the ingrained cop worship, we will never know the true pain. Violence for the sake of violence is a dead end, but if violence can send a message, then so be it...people can only take so much bullshit until it overflows into society causing the anxiety i read in here and around the country....truth to power my friend...

 

[JK/SEA]

These people are in part being guided by those with no interest in justice. The rest of it is garden variety, blind stupidity and cowardice. How many of those people do you think have the guts to storm a police station? That's what I thought.

baby steps...first bring the issue of the Police State to the forefront, whether its baby bou, or Brown...doesn't matter. Keep those wounds open, rock peoples sensibilities. Make them look. Slap them up the side of their shallow brained heads, but make no mistake, the Police State is here whether you choose to deny it or not...this is the result. It will not end until the Police State mentality is ratcheted back big time...

carry on.

 

[jmdrake]

until you really know the true desperation of a group of people that have been 'marginalized' by the PTB, AND the ingrained cop worship, we will never know the true pain. Violence for the sake of violence is a dead end, but if violence can send a message, then so be it...people can only take so much bullshit until it overflows into society causing the anxiety i read in here and around the country....truth to power my friend...

Okay:

1) Did you read the article?

2) Do you know I'm black?

I bring up number to in reference to the whole "really know the true desperation of a group of people that have been 'marginalized' by the PTB." Yeah blacks have reasons to be upset. Race riots are a stupid way to deal with those reasons. The first black orchestrated race riots started after the peak of the civil rights movement. (The article I linked explains this). It would be like being native Americans being upset over the slaughter of the buffalo, finally getting control of all wild buffalo herds, and then slaughter buffalo and only cutting out the eyes to make necklaces.

 

[jmdrake]

baby steps...first bring the issue of the Police State to the forefront, whether its baby bou, or Brown...doesn't matter. Keep those wounds open, rock peoples sensibilities. Make them look. Slap them up the side of their shallow brained heads, but make no mistake, the Police State is here whether you choose to deny it or not...this is the result. It will not end until the Police State mentality is ratcheted back big time...

carry on.

Yes it does matter. You don't get it. This kind of crap has been going on for over 40 years now. Someone of questionable character gets killed by the cops, there's a riot, black people set ourselves back by destroying our own community, white people say "They're just whining" and point out that the police victim had questionable character, nothing changes, wash, rinse, repeat. Baby Bou will never receive the attention he deserves by the liberal media. Neither will Miriam Carey. Neither will Kelly Thomas. Interestingly enough, conservative media is covering the Miriam Carey story, but their voices aren't loud enough.

 

[jllundqu]

Bottom line:

Brown was a criminal who assaulted and stole as he pleased. He assaulted a cop and tried to take his gun. Got shot. //

All the BS protesting would have happened anyway. This has nothing to do with Brown. Looters gonna loot.

 

[JK/SEA]

Okay:

1) Did you read the article?

2) Do you know I'm black?

I bring up number to in reference to the whole "really know the true desperation of a group of people that have been 'marginalized' by the PTB." Yeah blacks have reasons to be upset. Race riots are a stupid way to deal with those reasons. The first black orchestrated race riots started after the peak of the civil rights movement. (The article I linked explains this). It would be like being native Americans being upset over the slaughter of the buffalo, finally getting control of all wild buffalo herds, and then slaughter buffalo and only cutting out the eyes to make necklaces.

The riots in LA were a bad thing in the long run?...was anyone awakened to the crap that people were facing in regards to the justice system?...was anyone awakened by the coming Police State?...was anything accomplished other than a few fires and arrests?...

Frankly, at 63 years old, i'm way beyond disappointed on where we are in regards to justice and the Police State in this country. I'm just glad black people are showing everyone that there is still a long way to go in regards to Police, and the oppression that is still with ALL of us.

 

[jmdrake]

The riots in LA were a bad thing in the long run?...was anyone awakened to the crap that people were facing in regards to the justice system?...was anyone awakened by the coming Police State?...was anything accomplished other than a few fires and arrests?...

Doesn't seem like it. The prison-industrial complex is stronger than ever.

Frankly, at 63 years old, i'm way beyond disappointed on where we are in regards to justice and the Police State in this country. I'm just glad black people are showing everyone that there is still a long way to go in regards to Police, and the oppression that is still with ALL of us.

Well I guess you do remember the Watts riots whereas I read about them. :o That said, I prefer what black people where "showing everyone" when we were actually accomplishing something.

Sorry, but I can't see how burning down a blood bank even compares.