Ferguson- "Big Mike" had just strong arm-robbed a convenience store (PICS)

[Natural Citizen]

Dang. This is the first news that I've read today too.

 

[thoughtomator]

This wasn't the normal contempt by cop. This was sheer stupidity by Michael Brown. Attacking a cop after they already have you positively IDed at the convenience store? Really? Where was he going to run?

It doesn't matter... cops are not allowed to summarily execute people... that, not the stupidity of Brown is the pertinent issue.

Taking a human life and robbing a store are worlds apart in seriousness and violence. Stop focusing on the store - which isn't where the issue occurred - and focus on the behavior of the police instead.

The behavior of police is the public issue. Police are not lawfully allowed to straight up shoot people no matter how bad a person they may be shooting.

I am a bit frustrated by how skewed the priorities you are working with are. A government official killing a citizen without due process of law is an extremely serious issue that affects you and yours. A punk robbing his local convenience store in a town you never heard of before and would never end up in, is not something that affects you.

 

[AuH20]

What's with assault over cigars?

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/09/27/man-punches-gas-station-clerk-in-the-face-over-1-41-cigar/

A 23-year-old woman named “Yadira,” who didn’t wish to appear on-camera, said the suspect handed her a $1 bill for a $1.41 Swisher Sweets cigar.

“He just says, ‘Well, this is all I have….(expletive) whatever.’ And I was like, ‘You need to get out of the store.’ I was like, ‘I’m sorry.’ And he tries to snatch it,” said Yadira.

The victim said that’s when the suspect punched her in the face, injuring her eye.

“It just happened so fast. My reaction, I didn’t think he would hit me. And he just socks me,” Yadira said.

Detectives said the man took off and none of the other customers jumped into action right away.

“I’m sure they were surprised by his actions as he walked out of the store. A few of them were worried about the clerk,” said Sgt. Steven Moses.

Yadira said she’s now fearful every time she goes to work.

“Really, over 41 cents? Imagine if he got like that…imagine what else would have happened. That’s the thing that came to my head. I hope it doesn’t ever happen to anybody,” she said. “There are cowards out there that are willing to do stupid stuff.”

The alleged assailant was described as black, between 35 to 45 years old, 6 feet to 6 feet 4 inches tall, between 215 to 225 pounds, with short black hair, a slight mustache and a beard.

 

[phill4paul]

There is nothing wrong with being skeptical but you have to fight the urge sometimes.

I just went back over every post since I returned from vacation on the 11th. I cannot see a post wherein I specifically stated that things were one way or the other. Possibly generalizations made with knowledge of past actions on the part of L.E. So, while I admit to prejudice I would say that I have kept a "fairly" open mind to this incident. However, it still remains that a police officer shot an unarmed man to death. It does not appear that the killing was done at close range. Therefore, I assume that there was no true threat to the officers life. However, I'm going to go out on an assumptive limb here and say that in the end the officer will say that aftera brief fight in which the officer "feared for his life" the assailant fled before turning and "appearing" to reach for a gun at his waist. And that will be the end of that.

 

[TonySutton]

What's with assault over cigars?

Swisher Sweets
Cheap cigars that most people use to roll blunts with. Very easy to split and dump out the tobacco to replace with weed. Popular among rappers.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=swisher+sweets

 

[AuH20]

I just went back over every post since I returned from vacation on the 11th. I cannot see a post wherein I specifically stated that things were one way or the other. Possibly generalizations made with knowledge of past actions on the part of L.E. So, while I admit to prejudice I would say that I have kept a "fairly" open mind to this incident. However, it still remains that a police officer shot an unarmed man to death. It does not appear that the killing was done at close range. Therefore, I assume that there was no true threat to the officers life. However, I'm going to go out on an assumptive limb here and say that in the end the officer will say that aftera brief fight in which the officer "feared for his life" the assailant fled before turning and "appearing" to reach for a gun at his waist. And that will be the end of that.

I think the follow up shots can certainly be questioned. But it sounds like Big Mike started the fight and the officer ended it.

 

[amy31416]

What really torques me about this is that there were no riots or genuine freaking out over Aiyana Jones (sp?) or Maryanne Godboldo's troubles with the police, but this ass and Trayvon Martin get national attention.

 

[AuH20]

What really torques me about this is that there were no riots or genuine freaking out over Aiyana Jones (sp?) or Maryanne Godboldo's troubles with the police, but this ass and Trayvon Martin get national attention.

I think it's the favorable optics. Black kid ventilated on the pavement by police officer. The race hustlers want to run with an emotionally compelling story.

 

[phill4paul]

What really torques me about this is that there were no riots or genuine freaking out over Aiyana Jones (sp?) or Maryanne Godboldo's troubles with the police, but this ass and Trayvon Martin get national attention.

Agreed.

 

[jllundqu]

That was kinda my point. I'm willing to admit I'm guilty when it comes to prejudice. I've documented many of these situations and the cover-ups that ensue along with the miscarriage of justice. So, yeah. I have my prejudice. With that said the facts have not all come in. The one fact that remains is that an officer shot and killed an unarmed suspect.

Agreed. And unless cop can produce evidence justifying shooting him from 30 feet away, he's gonna be sent to the gallows and rightly so.

 

[thoughtomator]

Agreed. And unless cop can produce evidence justifying shooting him from 30 feet away, he's gonna be sent to the gallows and rightly so.

The problem appears to be that they don't have evidence to justify the shooting, but he is NOT going to be charged with any crime.

And that, in a nutshell, is why this whole country is on a hair-trigger over this issue. There's nothing that will have happened here that couldn't have happened to anyone - no matter how angelically innocent - if they ran into the wrong cop at the wrong time.

 

[amy31416]

I think it's the favorable optics. Black kid ventilated on the pavement by police officer. The race hustlers want to run with an emotionally compelling story.

I think it's idiocy. There were a few complexities in both their cases, along with genuine reason to change the way that this country is "policed." But I guess we're essentially saying the same thing.

 

[Natural Citizen]

"If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and $50 in cash, I don’t care if a Drone kills him or a policeman kills him..."

 

[Lucille]

What really torques me about this is that there were no riots or genuine freaking out over Aiyana Jones (sp?) or Maryanne Godboldo's troubles with the police, but this ass and Trayvon Martin get national attention.

Me too, Amy. Kathryn Johnson, Miriam Carey, baby Bou Bou, and so many more. Far too many.

 

[klamath]

It doesn't matter... cops are not allowed to summarily execute people... that, not the stupidity of Brown is the pertinent issue.

Taking a human life and robbing a store are worlds apart in seriousness and violence. Stop focusing on the store - which isn't where the issue occurred - and focus on the behavior of the police instead.

The behavior of police is the public issue. Police are not lawfully allowed to straight up shoot people no matter how bad a person they may be shooting.

I am a bit frustrated by how skewed the priorities you are working with are. A government official killing a citizen without due process of law is an extremely serious issue that affects you and yours. A punk robbing his local convenience store in a town you never heard of before and would never end up in, is not something that affects you.

Very interesting.... this is a certain statement about a guy that executed two teenagers after they were no longer a threat....

I come down definitively on the side that if you break into a person's home, your life is forfeit. Even if you've already been wounded and there's no further immediate threat, the continued existence of the perpetrator(s) and the likelihood of revenge-taking is a permanent threat to the one who shot them. Effective self-defense means taking out a threat for good, not just for now.

__Thoughtomator

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...eir-home-from-intruders&highlight=Byron+Smith

 

[thoughtomator]

Very interesting.... this is a certain statement about a guy that executed two teenagers after they were no longer a threat....



http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...eir-home-from-intruders&highlight=Byron+Smith

You mean, on the rights of a private citizen defending his own home? I stand by them. They are no contradiction whatsoever with my position here.

 

[Origanalist]

Agreed. And unless cop can produce evidence justifying shooting him from 30 feet away, he's gonna be sent to the gallows and rightly so.

You really think so?

That rep I gave was by accident, I just wasn't paying attention to what I was doing. Have some free rep.

 

[jllundqu]

You really think so?

That rep I gave was by accident, I just wasn't paying attention to what I was doing. Have some free rep.

Meaning you were trying to neg rep me?? I'm confused...

 

[Lucille]

Police Now Claim Michael Brown Was a Robbery Suspect. UPDATE: Admit Officer Didn't Know That When Interaction Started
http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/15/would-police-have-withheld-claim-that-mi

UPDATE: The FPD's police chief has admitted Wilson did not know Brown was a robbery suspect when the interaction began, making it irrelevant to the question of whether the shooting was justified.

It wouldn't have been justified even if he did know, for crying out loud.

 

[klamath]

You mean, on the rights of a private citizen defending his own home? I stand by them. They are no contradiction whatsoever with my position here.

Your statements on a poor little violent robber

What does the law provide for the crime of robbery? Summary execution, right

--Thoughtomator

cops are not allowed to summarily execute people

--thoughtomator

Now on the cold blooded execution of nonviolent teenagers.

You don't think a couple of crooks would seek future revenge against the person who shot them

--Thoughtomator (Ah most of been what was going throught the cops mind....)

They remain a threat as long as they remain alive.

--Thoughtomator

You can't claim protection of the law while willfully breaking it

--Thoughtomator

true crime was stupidity, and death is a common result of that crime

--Thoughtomator. (what was that about the "stupidty of Brown" again?