Fentanyl Is Smuggled for U.S. Citizens By U.S. Citizens, Not Asylum Seekers

[Swordsmyth]

What doesn't happen in other countries - border and travel enforcement? If that's what you mean, you know that's not so.

I don't disagree with some of the points you make but, again, these are theoretical because your solution is to dismantle the welfare state which would take a couple of generations, at least. And, btw, many other countries (in the west) offer the same welfare handouts to migrants and their systems are collapsing, too.

Not only will it take generations, but every invader and excessive legal immigrant adds to the impossibility.
If they get what they want the welfare state will not end until the nation collapses.
But the collapse is their goal.
And what the invaders and their friends will erect on the ashes of the collapse will not be liberty, not even as much as we have left.

 

[Invisible Man]

They don't exist.

At least somebody came out and actually said this is what they believe without dancing around it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Why? What right do you have over another? Why not let people/individuals travel freely, and if they can support themselves, good, and if they can't, either starve or move on? Do you know what the right of self-determination is?

I have a right to the land and society that my forefathers secured for themselves and their posterity, I have that right by inheritance and I have every right to defend it against those that would steal and destroy it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

At least somebody came out and actually said this is what they believe without dancing around it.

"Asylum seekers" are parasitical beggars.
Even older generations of asylum seekers were such.
Once upon a time we had the wealth to consider charity to a few of the most worthy who were fleeing our enemies and truly sought to assimilate, but we no longer have that luxury.

They can stay and fix their own countries or find somewhere else that can afford them.
Most are liars and frauds with no intent to assimilate and are really just economic migrants who have been told lies to tell.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I meant to post it in the Texas/SCOTUS thread but honestly it applies here, too, probably.

I don't know if there's a better way to describe the position you're taking, than 'self-defeating autism.'

And I've told you in the past that you're 100% correct, philosophically. I have no disagreement with you on the right to travel, trade, etc. But that conflicts, with what I can clearly see is a status quo that is advantageous to the state in nearly every regard. And I cannot so easily reconcile the two by just throwing my hands up and saying "well obviously we just need to dismantle this welfare state" (just snap our fingers and *poof* it's gone, I guess.)

Even the best plumber in the world has to cut off the flow of water, before fixing the pipe.

—Nevermind the millions of people pouring over the border, who will no doubt find it easier to be reliant on the system than to make their own way.

Face it man, your position is not an easy one to sell. If it were, we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

When the WHOLE world and everyone in it is libertarian we can talk about their utopian ideas.

That will never happen and they know it.
Such absurdist ant-pragmatist zealotry is merely cover for ulterior motives.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's Marxist dialectics. They hold no position other than a desire to see the western world collapse. They accuse others of what they themselves do, such as falsely accusing Bryan of falling for the left right paradigm as they mutter every leftist propaganda there is. They accuse you of dehumanizing illegals as they call you Americunts, and you can see the utter disgust they have for you that they claim that you hold for who ever the woke intersectionalists champion that day. In short, they hate you more than you can imagine and will throw every accusation at you whether they believe what they say or not. Truth, honor, freedom all that we hold dear is not what they want, but rather to see it all burn down. It even infuriates them to think that you have the audacity to want to live in a neighborhood where your kids can leave their bikes on the front lawn at night and the bikes will be there in the morning. When you realize that, you will realize there is no point in discussing anything with them.

BINGO!

 

[Swordsmyth]

It turns out that skin color and values are not the same thing.

Right, that's why we don't just import millions of Swedes or Frenchmen either.

 

[Philhelm]

Too much to handle, eh? And needs/loves that .gov cushion?

Yes, and so does Ron Paul since he isn't an anarchist.

The "libertarians" who advocate for open borders are self-defeating because while they struggle to implement their already disadvantaged political philosophy, they want to simultaneously import people who are overwhelmingly enemies of that political philosophy.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

A couple of key elements that you failed to mention are true private property rights, and voluntarism. With those in practice, you are free to do what you want on your own property, and I may or may not choose to participate outside of said private properties. The problem becomes, without those elements, anything and everything else is flat out communism. Which I will never endorse. The other problem in my eyes is that many people refuse to understand that, and in essence, they are closet communists.

Why wouldn't I promote [global] libertarian values outside of my area, or country? Is that really such a bad thing, private property and voluntarism?

You can redefine terms all you want, it doesn't make everything "communism".

Many belief systems have global ambitions. Many major religions have that goal. And you certainly have a religious-like zealotry for your belief system.

But any desire for a global belief becomes dangerous when a) they refuse to tolerate any other beliefs, and/or b) the belief itself depends upon global adoption and conformity.

Both conditions apply to the WEF style global plutocracy, with the additional criteria that it is a global con-job of deception, secrecy and constant fomenting of conflict to enable and distract from the deception.

 

[susano]

He's the commie globalist.
Only by eliminating nations and collective territorial ownership can a global communism where all property is eliminated be established, so the first step is to make believe that only personal property exists and that destroying collective territorial ownership is defending it.

And then what?

 

[susano]

It's Marxist dialectics. They hold no position other than a desire to see the western world collapse. They accuse others of what they themselves do, such as falsely accusing Bryan of falling for the left right paradigm as they mutter every leftist propaganda there is. They accuse you of dehumanizing illegals as they call you Americunts, and you can see the utter disgust they have for you that they claim that you hold for who ever the woke intersectionalists champion that day. In short, they hate you more than you can imagine and will throw every accusation at you whether they believe what they say or not. Truth, honor, freedom all that we hold dear is not what they want, but rather to see it all burn down. It even infuriates them to think that you have the audacity to want to live in a neighborhood where your kids can leave their bikes on the front lawn at night and the bikes will be there in the morning. When you realize that, you will realize there is no point in discussing anything with them.

In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

 

[acptulsa]

He's the commie globalist.
Only by eliminating nations and collective territorial ownership can a global communism where all property is eliminated be established, so the first step is to make believe that only personal property exists and that destroying collective territorial ownership is defending it.

And then what?

And then PAF has, by definition, destroyed communism, the very thing he is alleged to have been promoting.

I think that's what Swordy calls 3D chess. Which must be why he checkmates himself so often.

 

[susano]

And then PAF has, by definition, destroyed communism, the very thing he is alleged to have been promoting.

I think that's what Swordy calls 3D chess. Which must be why he checkmates himself so often.

I think RJB, who I quoted above, is correct about PAF and his ilk. It's cluster B personality disorder bullshit which is why talking to these people ends up feeling insane.

 

[Anti Federalist]

They are not blind, their goal is to destroy what you would restore.

Owe ya a rep

In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

+rep

I had been looking for this quote.

That is all these Marxist fools are, is wreckers, destroyers.

And they have their hands on man made plague germs that are 100 percent fatal.

 

[tebowlives]

What's the amount being smuggled in by Americans vs how many are doing it?

 

[susano]

What's the amount being smuggled in by Americans vs how many are doing it?

And if they traveled 78 miles from their pick up point, in Mexico, averaging 40 mph, had an hour and a half wait at the border checkpoint, went on to San Diego with an average speed of 52 mph, plus a 13 minute stop at a gas station, how long was their trip?

 

[tebowlives]

And if they traveled 78 miles from their pick up point, in Mexico, averaging 40 mph, had an hour and a half wait at the border checkpoint, went on to San Diego with an average speed of 52 mph, plus a 13 minute stop at a gas station, how long was their trip?

Don't care, too busy trying to find the amount since that is what's important.

 

[PAF]

Don't care, too busy trying to find the amount since that is what's important.

I have been trying to scrounge up hard data that would be acceptable to post on RPF that not be considered "from a globalist source". So far I haven't found anything, most articles refer to either CATO or NPR. The following doesn't really break anything down, but here is something from Forbes:

As of late May 2023, the White House reports that the Biden Administration has invested about $5.5 billion in increasing access to mental healthcare and preventing and treating opioid addiction. While this seems like a sizable sum, it’s still comparatively small.

By contrast, the federal government spent more than $18 billion on Operation Warp Speed to develop Covid-19 vaccines, with tens of billions more going towards procurement of Covid-19 tests, vaccines, and treatments. Also, the domestic federal government response to HIV has risen to more than $28 billion per year. Thus far, there isn’t nearly the same level of funding directed at the illicit fentanyl emergency.

Blaming the fentanyl crisis on illegal migrants crossing the border from Mexico to the U.S. is both wrong and short-sighted. It fails to admit that the predominant traffickers are Americans and that allocating resources towards reducing demand will in all likelihood yield better outcomes than a policy aimed narrowly at supply.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshua...-by-blaming-illegal-migrants/?sh=7e7254a77e36

Taking into consideration that the government would like nothing more than to maintain the failed "War on Drugs" (in fact, is only increasing due to more restrictions), there is some data from DHS and other government sources which you can easily look up.

 

[tebowlives]

I have been trying to scrounge up hard data that would be acceptable to post on RPF that not be considered "from a globalist source". So far I haven't found anything, most articles refer to either CATO or NPR. The following doesn't really break anything down, but here is something from Forbes:
Thx
I was just curious as to the average amount individuals are bringing over vs a big shipment. Thinking along the lines of



Taking into consideration that the government would like nothing more than to maintain the failed "War on Drugs" (in fact, is only increasing due to more restrictions), there is some data from DHS and other government sources which you can easily look up.

Found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0EurNtLz0M&t=5232s
"73.1% are US citizens, the balance being Mexican nationalists"
"by weight, 56% are US citizens"

 

[PAF]

Found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0EurNtLz0M&t=5232s
"73.1% are US citizens, the balance being Mexican nationalists"
"by weight, 56% are US citizens"

Thanks. FWIW, I also came across this from NCDAS:

Fentanyl’s use and availability has increased in the medical community as well as among recreational drug users and addicts. Statistics indicate the overdose epidemic among opioid users is spreading geographically as well as across demographics.

52.7% of all overdose deaths (OD) involve fentanyl.

From March 2018 to February 2019, 47% of drug overdoses involved fentanyl.

20% of U.S. states report at least a 98% annual increase in opioid overdose deaths.

This indicates a 31.57% increase in fentanyl deaths, though some year-over-year increases spike as high as 200%.

Fentanyl OD rates increased 1,105% from 2012 to 2018.

Almost 60 million lethal doses were confiscated by the DEA over two years.

25- to 44-year-old males have seen the greatest increase in death rates.

Fentanyl contributed to several high-profile deaths† in the early 21st Century, including:

Singer-guitarists Prince and Tom Petty.

Rappers Mac Miller and Lil Peep.

Best selling author Michelle McNamara.

Major League pitcher Tyler Skaggs.

More at link: https://drugabusestatistics.org/fentanyl-abuse-statistics/