female draft registration issue could save Rand

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ending the draft elected Nixon. HHH and McGovern wanted to just end the wars.

Reagan used it in 1980 after Carter revived it.

now, the military wants it registration expanded to young women. when asked, and it will come up all the others will agree. Rand just has to say draft registration should be ended - period. for male and female.

people might be afraid of a terror attack, but they are more afraid of their daughter being drafted and sent to the middle east.
 
Sounds like a good idea, turn fear against fear. It might be our only opportunity to sway people in New Hampshire, many of whom while not doves are definitely on the "chicken-hawk/not my son or daughter" camp.
 
I don't think fear of the draft will be a real winning issue, what's sadder is that there seems to be more support for the draft from young people the further removed we are from it's end. I'm sure all of Bernie's supporters want some form of "national service".
 
ending the draft elected Nixon. HHH and McGovern wanted to just end the wars.

Reagan used it in 1980 after Carter revived it.

now, the military wants it registration expanded to young women. when asked, and it will come up all the others will agree. Rand just has to say draft registration should be ended - period. for male and female.

people might be afraid of a terror attack, but they are more afraid of their daughter being drafted and sent to the middle east.

Thanks so much for raising this issue, Cindy!

I've been thinking for a while that Rand should introduce a bill to get rid of the draft registration system entirely!
 
The things I remember about Ron bringing all these different people/groups together was that he essentially did introduce bills specifically for the leave me alone coalition and they all knew it.

Honestly, you had the alternative/natural health crowd, the anti vaccine crowd, home school crowd, the anti war crowd, online gambling crowd, the raw milk crowd, anti tax/fed crowd etc etc.... And really you had more than these and even essentially had sub categories under these. Now this isn't all Rand's fault because I think being in the house you have a lot more freedom and opportunity bringing up these issues than you do in the senate. So I don't know how this type of thing can be corrected.

But for instance the alternative health crowd was big time behind Ron. You literally had the biggest alternative health doctor on the net (Dr. Mercola) supporting Ron and even using his close to 10 million person email list urging them to not only support Ron but also donate to the money bombs each time he had one. That's a pretty big deal right there alone. Then you throw in all the other causes which I have not seen this time and it adds up.
 
I don't think fear of the draft will be a real winning issue, what's sadder is that there seems to be more support for the draft from young people the further removed we are from it's end. I'm sure all of Bernie's supporters want some form of "national service".

Highly doubt it considering he was a conscientious objector.
 
Unfortunately, the answer to this problem cannot be captured in a single soundbite. In order to have Constitutional Foreign Policy, we need to go to the Founding Fathers, History, and the Constitution itself.

Noted: These ideas that I will lay out are not even in the realm of the mainstream today; but they most definitely are in line with the Founding Fathers intent. First, some basis for what I am about to say.

*US Declaration of Independence*

"He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the consent of the Legislators."
"He has affected to render the Military Independent of and superior to the Civil Power. "
"He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country"
"He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized Nation."

*US Constitution*

Article 1, Section 8 -
"The Congress shall have Power To....provide for the common Defense"
"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years"
"To provide and maintain a Navy"
"To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces"
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions"
"To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress"
"No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

*Article II, Section II*

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States"

*Article IV, Section 4*

" The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of the against Invasion"

*Bill of Rights, Amendment II*

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

*Amendment XIII*

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

*Amendment XIV*

"Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"


Thomas Jefferson on Standing Armies, the Military, and Military Training...this is a good read.

http://famguardian.org/subjects/politics/thomasjefferson/jeff1480.htm

"We must train and classify the whole of our male citizens, and make military instruction a regular part of collegiate education. We can never be safe till this is done." - Thomas Jefferson

"I think the truth must now be obvious that our people are too happy at home to enter into regular service, and that we cannot be defended but by making every citizen a soldier, as the Greeks and Romans who had no standing armies; and that in doing this all must be marshaled, classed by their ages, and every service ascribed to its competent class." - Thomas Jefferson

"The administration asserts the right to fill the ranks of the regular army by compulsion...Is this, sir, consistent with the character of a free government? Is this civil liberty? Is this the real character of our Constitution? No, sir, indeed it is not...Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents, and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war, in which the folly or the wickedness of government may engage it? Under what concealment has this power lain hidden, which now for the first time comes forth, with a tremendous and baleful aspect, to trample down and destroy the dearest rights of personal liberty?" - Daniel Webster

One More Point:

A Federal Draft has been used only in: The Civil War, WW1, WW2, and a few times during the Cold War.

So. Here is where I finally tie it all together, and give my proposal for a Constitutional view on this.

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Lets break it down:

We have 50 Sovereign States, who have come all agreed to be apart of a single Union; and in doing so, they each guarantee each other protection from invasion and unity in any war.

Each of these States are to have a Militia, which is to be organized, armed, and disciplined by the Congress. The President may call forth the militias to provide for the common defense, but otherwise, they are under State Control.

We are no supposed to have a Standing Federal Army in times of Peace (though a Command Structure and the obvious bare-bones minimums has always been present.) Congress is permitted to raise an army, but only for a term of 2 years.

Additionally, it would seem as though we are not supposed to be calling forth a Militia or Raising an Army except in case of Invasion. So no Foreign Adventures or neo-Imperialism (I know....long shot)

*By the way, the Militia was named "National Guard" in honor of the French and their citizen-soldier structure with Lafayette". However, the National Guard has been almost totally removed from State Control...so that needs to change to Pre-Civil War structure to be Constitutional"

So, Raise an Army. What does that mean? Does that mean voluntary conscription, or forced? It is clear that "calling forth the Militia" and "raising Armies" are different. One is using State Troops, the other is Enlisting Federal Troops. They do not merge together to become one in the same.

So, where do these Federal Troops come from? Answer, in compliance from Jefferson and Webster. By volunteering. These are people, typically from Militias, who simply volunteer to be a Federal Soldier. Easy as that. The remaining Manpower needed to defend the nation can be sought from the Militias themselves.

So, the next obvious question. If militia is to be the main source of troops, do we forcibly conscript?

I think Jefferson is quite clear. "We must train and classify the whole of our male citizens, and make military instruction a regular part of collegiate education. We can never be safe till this is done."

So no, we don't conscript, as that would inherently place an individual in involuntary servitude if he was opposed to his being apart of the Militia. However, Jefferson's wisdom in adding military instruction into the curriculum is applicable.

States themselves, being responsible for the Militias, under the regulations of Congress, should make military instruction a part of school curriculum (and schools need to be ripped from the Feds gnarly fingers as well...but thats another thread).

So how would this military instruction in school look? Simple, with parental permission, every high school student would periodically be called to the local town militia to engage in local militia training. This isn't boot camp type stuff, it is the basics. Weapon safety, how to shoot, first aid, how to pitch a tent, defensive positions in town, and how to help in emergencies (such as snow storms, flooding, ect that the Militia can be called forth for).

You teach these kids their civic duty to their neighbors. Once they graduate High School, they have the choice to join their local town Militia. Local militias would then proceed into further training as specified by local, state, and congressional dictates. These Citizen-Soldiers would be old and young, and in the modern era, male and female. All are welcome to preform their civic duty to their countrymen.

Perhaps those who go on to college could be trained in how to administer these militias through a voluntary state training program, with honorable volunteering graduates being commissioned as militia officers by State Governors.

The current Standing Army could be virtually wiped away, down to a Skeleton Army. The Navy could be re-tooled for the modern world (as the Constitution allows for a Standing Navy). The Air Force could either split back up between the Army and the Navy...or we could have an Amendment to the Constitution allowing for Congress to provide for and maintain an Air Force (I prefer this one). The Coast Guard could be given back to the States.

The Department of Defense would be eliminated: and you would once again have separate Department of War and a Naval Department (centralization does not work).

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So, in short. If we are going to ask the Constitutional Question about the Military....that is a Constitutional Military. Is the Draft Constitutional? No. You cannot deprive someone of their Liberty. The State does not own your children. However, military instruction can be a voluntary educational service offered by State-run schools and local militias.

Should females be forced to sign up for the unconstitutional draft? No more, and no less than Males should.


***I don't really apologize if that was too long.....it was a whole lot of fun to type up!***
 
@Libertas-technically true, but the War Of Northern Aggression killed that philosophy for good.
 
That War simultaneously eliminated Slavery, which is what Frederic Bastiat declared "a violation, by law, of liberty"; and what Thomas Jefferson wrote in his 1st Draft of the Declaration of Independence to be "a cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life and liberty"

But that War destroyed more than just Slavery...
 
That War simultaneously eliminated Slavery, which is what Frederic Bastiat declared "a violation, by law, of liberty"; and what Thomas Jefferson wrote in his 1st Draft of the Declaration of Independence to be "a cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life and liberty"

But that War destroyed more than just Slavery...

The war simply put more than half a million bullets into what was already a dying practice. Slavery was on the way out throughout Europe by the time Lincoln's puppet-masters in the coal and rail industry began dreaming of conquest and empire, and unlike these ole United States, most of them did it without slaughtering an entire generation of men and leaving half of the country reduced to ashes and ruins.
 
The war simply put more than half a million bullets into what was already a dying practice. Slavery was on the way out throughout Europe by the time Lincoln's puppet-masters in the coal and rail industry began dreaming of conquest and empire, and unlike these ole United States, most of them did it without slaughtering an entire generation of men and leaving half of the country reduced to ashes and ruins.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to hells_unicorn again.
QFT. The Czar of Russia emancipated the serfs with no bloodshed. (in 1861, no less! Historical context is no excuse for Lincoln's crimes)
 
No it won't be the saving.....not this one. But there are others that may, but he needs to relate to the masses and to the emotion. Seems like all the politicians lose that connection to the commoner
 
No it won't be the saving.....not this one. But there are others that may, but he needs to relate to the masses and to the emotion. Seems like all the politicians lose that connection to the commoner

This. Rand must change gears and get out of intellectual territory. Being the smartest guy in class only nets you 5%. Most people weren't the smartest guy in the class. Most people didn't like the smartest guy in the class.

You win by being the most visionary and articulating your vision of the world.

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