Feds warn Texas not to enforce state-level immigration bill

[Occam's Banana]

Then, when you wish to travel freely, you will be forced at gun point to show your papers, and hopefully encounter civil asset forfeiture.

I'm already subject to that.

The invading army is not.

I sure do wish I was permitted to "travel [as] freely" as some people are. It must be nice.

Biden’s TSA Designates Special Airport Screening Line for Migrants Without Required ID
https://www.breitbart.com/border/20...eening-line-for-migrants-without-required-id/
RANDY CLARK 9 Dec 2023

TUCSON, Arizona — Migrants recently released by the Border Patrol waited patiently to board flights leaving the region at the Tucson International Airport on Friday afternoon. The event marks their last day on the southwest border and their first day of free movement across the United States.

Despite the firm requirements for United States citizens and legally admitted international travelers to possess valid forms of identification to board aircraft, the migrants were shuffled through a “special” security screening line set up by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), specifically for migrants — many without any identification whatsoever.

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But, hey - at least if I am "forced at gun point to show [my] papers", the gun might be pointed at me by one of those folks who now seem to have much more "freedom to travel" than I myself do:

Los Angeles Police Department Wants to Give Badges and Guns to Illegal Aliens
https://www.breitbart.com/immigrati...ts-to-give-badges-and-guns-to-illegal-aliens/
WARNER TODD HUSTON 15 Jan 2024

The Los Angeles Police Department recently implored the federal government for permission to give guns to illegal aliens who are set to be awarded police powers to detain and arrest American citizens.

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[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1748869893968069071

 

[PAF]

I'm already subject to that.

The invading army is not.

I sure do wish I was permitted to "travel [as] freely" as some people are. It must be nice.

But, hey - at least if I am "forced at gun point to show [my] papers", the gun might be pointed at me by one of those folks who now seem to have much more "freedom to travel" than I myself do:

Forget that most of those "illegals" human beings don't have a pot to pi$$ in to transport themselves thousands of miles... our very own government-politicians providing incentives, NGO's transporting/bringing them in, Industrial Complexes profiting at tax payers expense...

Well, based on both of your responses, you and the rest of 'Merika make a most outstanding justification for "papers please", much more surveillance, eminent domain, Border and DHS employees, [domestic TSA?] and whatever else plus more, it will take to ensure my absolute security.

As I stated above, I do indeed have a change of heart (because if you can't beat 'em, join 'em) and I am now a full fledged supporter of more tax payer money to implement even more of the above. And it didn't even take a politician to convince me ;-)

Funny how outlooks turn on a dime, BoR be damned, eh?

But, I still cannot/will not be swayed from my initial view that it is not "illegals" them who hate us for our freedoms, but rather Americans and Politicians themselves.

 

[acptulsa]

Funny how outlooks turn on a dime, BoR be damned, eh?

But, I still cannot/will not be swayed from my initial view that it is not "illegals" them who hate us for our freedoms, but rather Americans and Politicians themselves.

The Broken Window Fallacy writ large. Since government (democrat flavor) shattered it so completely, only government (republican flavor) is fat enough to fix it.

So could Humpty Dumpty be put back together again? Or did the king just order all his horses and all his men to fake their rescue efforts for a while, then pronounce the patient dead?

 

[Occam's Banana]

Well, based on both of your responses, you and the rest of 'Merika make a most outstanding justification for "papers please", much more surveillance, eminent domain, Border and DHS employees, [domestic TSA?] and whatever else plus more, it will take to ensure my absolute security.

I did not offer a "justification" for anything - I merely pointed out a couple of the obviously pernicious consequences of "open borders". Those pernicious consequences (and many others) are and will remain as such for as long as immigration continues to be a matter of public (rather than private) policy.

Pick your public immigration policy poison:

"open borders" = more statism

"closed borders" = more statism

"mixed borders" = more satism
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The problem with public immigration policy is that it's a choice between poison pills - any "open border" policy is going to be abused by the Democrats and the left in all the ways (and for all the purposes) they have abused it for since at least 1965 (artificially engineered demographic change, welfare-state expansionism, etc.), but any "closed border" policy that does not implement some kind of totalistic "papers, please!" Gestapoism is going to be toothless and ineffective.

That's why I oppose and do not support any public immigration policies. Immigration should strictly be a matter of private (property) policy and nothing else. Unfortunately, however, that's just not going to be in the cards any time soon (if it ever is). Thus, such public immigration policies as we do end up with (whether "open" or "closed" or whatever) should be as local as feasible (and ideally, the feds shouldn't have any say in the matter at all).

IOW: Texas has chosen its poison, so the feds should just fuck right the fuck off with their other poison.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Forget that most of those "illegals" human beings don't have a pot to pi$$ in to transport themselves thousands of miles... our very own government-politicians providing incentives, NGO's transporting/bringing them in, Industrial Complexes profiting at tax payers expense...

Invaders.

They are invaders.

And they will soon be armed by the same entities you mentioned.

And then they will come and kill you, and me, and our children.

 

[ClaytonB]

IOW: Texas has chosen its poison, so the feds should just $#@! right the $#@! off with their other poison.

And even on the statists' own construction of things, Texas is justified. The Constitution can be seen as a "contract" between the 50 States, enforced through the Federal government. If the other 49 States want to set policy so that the Feds do not do their constitutional duty to protect the national border, then this is breach of "contract" and Texas has every right to elbow the Fedgoons out of the way and put a stop to the intentional sabotage of border enforcement by the Fedgoons.

The Fedsplainers on this forum always want to have it both ways; Texas is wrong no matter what they do for the simple reason that Texas won't bow down and lick the Fedgod's boots. Texas's strategy over the last few years has been brilliant -- internalize the costs of open-border policy onto those States who are most loudly enforcing it by shipping the illegals to those states and, on the border itself, elbow the Fedgoons to the side and just do the damn job that they're supposed to be doing but intentionally not doing. The longer this goes on, the more difficult it will become for the open-border maniacs to keep it up as the costs to their own bottom-line will continue to skyrocket, while their electoral objectives are simultaneously not being achieved. Double-action strangulation...

 

[Occam's Banana]

IOW: Texas has chosen its poison, so the feds should just fuck right the fuck off with their other poison.

[...] Texas's strategy over the last few years has been brilliant -- internalize the costs of open-border policy onto those States who are most loudly enforcing it by shipping the illegals to those states [...]

This is the way.

If Chicago, New York City, and others want to be "sanctuary cities" (or states), then don't fight against it - lean into it, instead.

Let Texas pick its poison - and let Chicago, NYC, etc. pick theirs.

Then let them each deal with the consequences of their choices.

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1749524233653211487

Your move, Texas.

Supreme Court allows federal agents to cut razor wire Texas installed on US-Mexico border
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-...s-razor-wire-9daef6bd316211b6633ece718e505187
{Associated Press | 22 January 2024}

WASHINGTON (AP) — A divided Supreme Court on Monday allowed Border Patrol agents to cut razor wire that Texas installed on the U.S.-Mexico border, while a lawsuit over the wire continues.

The justices, by a 5-4 vote, granted an emergency appeal from the Biden administration, which has been in an escalating standoff at the border with Texas and had objected to an appellate ruling in favor of the state.

The concertina wire along roughly 30 miles (48 kilometers) of the Rio Grande near the border city of Eagle Pass is part of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s broader fight with the administration over immigration enforcement.

Abbott also has authorized installing floating barriers in the Rio Grande near Eagle Pass and allowed troopers to arrest and jail thousands of migrants on trespassing charges. The administration also is challenging those actions in federal court.

A federal appeals court last month forced federal agents to stop cutting the concertina wire. Large numbers of migrants have crossed at Eagle Pass in recent months.

In court papers, the administration said the wire impedes Border Patrol agents from reaching migrants as they cross the river and that, in any case, federal immigration law trumps Texas’ own efforts to stem the flow of migrants into the country.

Texas officials have argued that federal agents cut the wire to help groups crossing illegally through the river before taking them in for processing.

Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Amy Coney Barrett, Ketanji Brown Jackson, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor sided with the administration. Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas voted with Texas.

No one provided any explantion for their vote.

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1749524233653211487

Your move, Texas.

Supreme Court allows federal agents to cut razor wire Texas installed on US-Mexico border
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-...s-razor-wire-9daef6bd316211b6633ece718e505187
{Associated Press | 22 January 2024}

WASHINGTON (AP) — A divided Supreme Court on Monday allowed Border Patrol agents to cut razor wire that Texas installed on the U.S.-Mexico border, while a lawsuit over the wire continues.

The justices, by a 5-4 vote, granted an emergency appeal from the Biden administration, which has been in an escalating standoff at the border with Texas and had objected to an appellate ruling in favor of the state.

The concertina wire along roughly 30 miles (48 kilometers) of the Rio Grande near the border city of Eagle Pass is part of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s broader fight with the administration over immigration enforcement.

Abbott also has authorized installing floating barriers in the Rio Grande near Eagle Pass and allowed troopers to arrest and jail thousands of migrants on trespassing charges. The administration also is challenging those actions in federal court.

A federal appeals court last month forced federal agents to stop cutting the concertina wire. Large numbers of migrants have crossed at Eagle Pass in recent months.

In court papers, the administration said the wire impedes Border Patrol agents from reaching migrants as they cross the river and that, in any case, federal immigration law trumps Texas’ own efforts to stem the flow of migrants into the country.

Texas officials have argued that federal agents cut the wire to help groups crossing illegally through the river before taking them in for processing.

Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Amy Coney Barrett, Ketanji Brown Jackson, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor sided with the administration. Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas voted with Texas.

No one provided any explantion for their vote.

Prediction: Abbot will crimp and fold faster than a Chinese laundry.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

...
Glad yer gettin’ what ya wished for
...

Yes, you have gotten exactly what you wished for. Unfettered, uncontrolled immigration into the US. How's that working out?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

...
Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Amy Coney Barrett, Ketanji Brown Jackson, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor sided with the administration. Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas voted with Texas.

No one provided any explanation for their vote.

Interesting. The Supreme Court would have avoided even hearing the case if it would have granted Trump more power. And there's Amy Coney Barrett again, a Trump appointee. But at least she shut down Roe v. Wade, amiright? That case alone was worth 30 more years of random, establishment supporting rulings from her.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yes, you have gotten exactly what you wished for. Unfettered, uncontrolled immigration into the US. How's that working out?

Wait until they arm them.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Wait until they arm them.

Or they arm themselves. After all, US gun laws don't apply to them either. Fully automatic rifle? No problem, here's a ticket if you promise to appear in court sometime in the next 30 years.

 

[Occam's Banana]

But at least she shut down Roe v. Wade, amiright? That case alone was worth 30 more years of random, establishment supporting rulings from her the chaos and confusion we're seeing play out across the country.

Fixed.

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1749495002634576050

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/Partisan_O/status/1749547564221825173

 

[Anti Federalist]

Or they arm themselves. After all, US gun laws don't apply to them either. Fully automatic rifle? No problem, here's a ticket if you promise to appear in court sometime in the next 30 years.

Exactly.

 

[Henry Rogue]

https://twitter.com/Partisan_O/status/1749547564221825173

Channeling Jackson.

 

[PAF]

Yes, you have gotten exactly what you wished for. Unfettered, uncontrolled immigration into the US. How's that working out?

Unfettered? Uncontrolled? You crack me up

Like most 'Merikans, perhaps a result of Common-Core education, where 2+2=5, what we have is closer to a closed border, certainly not open. How's that working out for me? If that is what 'Merikan's really, really want, who am I to argue with democratic rule by mob?

But new fences are not a reversal of the Democratic Party’s agenda. They are part of an extensive history of both Democrats and Republicans selling Americans on the idea that they can stop border-crossings by simply starting a new program or building a big fence. Politicians from both parties have consistently attempted to “close the border,” as if doing so is actually possible, let alone desirable. Biden is not continuing construction on Trump’s border wall; he is continuing to build America’s border wall.

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In a 1980 debate with future President George H.W. Bush, Reagan had said, “Rather than talking about putting up a fence, why don’t we work out some recognition of our mutual problems, make it possible for them to come here legally with a work permit and then while they’re working and earning here they pay taxes here.”

Reagan later signed the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act. The law provided legalization to over two million undocumented immigrants who had been working in the United States, increased the legal culpability for employers who hired undocumented people, and provided funding for more Border Patrol agents.

https://time.com/6324599/bidens-trump-history-border-wall/

And now it seems because of government meddling into the lives of individuals foreign AND domestic, foreigners are now being offered incentives, on the tax per dime no less, to come; they are invited.


Simply put and SOLID FACT: the more they close that border, the more taxes are raked in and redistributed.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Let the justices who ruled in favor of the Biden administration clean up all the garbage and sh#^ along the Rio Grande.

Better yet, load it up into dump trucks and take it to Martha's Vineyard.