Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt arti

[dannno]

Thank you for this article donnay.

I guess all those who don't support whale.to and natural news "facts" are really just paid trolls.

No, I'd bet some of you work for the establishment for free because you have been tricked into believing them on the one hand when you know they lie on the other.

 

[ObiRandKenobi]

you got me.

 

[RickyJ]

Israel does too, as well as some corporations, like Samsung. You can't control people without good propaganda, so the Internet has to be targeted just like other forms of mass communications.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

What exactly is

"former United States Army counterintelligence agent ."

It's basically the person who performed the wasteful nonsense of other government institutions that steal your tax dollars. The only difference is that these jobs are so cool to so many people, so they're not separated from the other drones. An exact definition would be a pitiful military bureaucrat who--like his government blob counterpart--daydreams about multiple Walthers and getting in the pants of foreign women.

 

[donnay]

I'm sure they are. My response was an ironic comment with regard to the likelihood that the OP (borne out) felt a smug assurance that that those who disagree with her are certain paid sock-puppets. For her, that's a cozy "heads I win, tails you lose" proposition, which allows her to ignore everyone who posts things that don't agree with what she's read elsewhere.

I don't know. Maybe that brings her some peace. If so, we should all be glad for it. On it's face, it's a little sad... but, hell, the whole damned ball of wax is a crime against humanity to begin with, so what's one more anyway?

It's people like you who make me chuckle--thanks for the laughs, I needed it. Outstanding! Keep up the good work.

 

[dannno]

I have no doubt that you read this article and then "decided" that everyone who disagrees with you is a troll.

Cheers donna.

Since she hasn't responded to that specific question yet, I feel comfortable responding for her. No, you are wrong, that is not what she believes. At all. I don't know where in the article you read, "EVERYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU ON THE INTERNET IS A GOVERNMENT PAID TROLL."

The entire point of government paid troll is to get more real people on their side. So it makes sense that they would have some non-government paid people agreeing with and promoting their views.

So what is the real lesson here?

Don't find yourself agreeing with government paid trolls!!!

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Since she hasn't responded to that specific question yet, I feel comfortable responding for her. No, you are wrong, that is not what she believes. At all. I don't know where in the article you read, "EVERYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU ON THE INTERNET IS A GOVERNMENT PAID TROLL."

The entire point of government paid troll is to get more real people on their side. So it makes sense that they would have some non-government paid people agreeing with and promoting their views.

So what is the real lesson here?

Don't find yourself agreeing with government paid trolls!!!

Here's the thing - good government-paid trolls wouldn't be wrong all the time.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Soooo...what the fuck happened in here?

I made $3.50 just off posting on this thread.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I made $3.50 just off posting on this thread.

Make sure you complete your 1099 form. Heh, heh.

 

[amy31416]

Well, here's the thing--there are Fed trolls, of course there are. This is how they've busted people who operate in Bitcoin, Anonymous and probably other orgs--this is known, so the logical conclusion is that OF COURSE they are monitoring chatrooms and probably disrupting some things. But, as of this point, I still believe (due to things like their budget), that it's only much higher-level stuff than YouTube, RPF's, etc.

They are looking to bust big players and take everything they have while making an example of them. The NSA's programs will make it easier to eventually go after smaller and smaller targets for far less effort.

 

[Thor]

Well, here's the thing--there are Fed trolls, of course there are. This is how they've busted people who operate in Bitcoin, Anonymous and probably other orgs--this is known, so the logical conclusion is that OF COURSE they are monitoring chatrooms and probably disrupting some things. But, as of this point, I still believe (due to things like their budget), that it's only much higher-level stuff than YouTube, RPF's, etc.

They are looking to bust big players and take everything they have while making an example of them. The NSA's programs will make it easier to eventually go after smaller and smaller targets for far less effort.

Oh, you think RPF with Kokesh supporters, tyrannical cop haters, and those limited government kooks aren't worthy of some eyes?

 

[AngryCanadian]

I am not surprised i have encountered some of them on the guardian. And other forums. They always ask you what Ethnic you are based on.

 

[amy31416]

Oh, you think RPF with Kokesh supporters, tyrannical cop haters, and those limited government kooks aren't worthy of some eyes?

Not really. With the limited budget, length of time we've been around, if they ever had eyes on us, they've become bored or moved on to more worthy targets. Like those who genuinely threaten banks, financial institutions, or ones that can serve their current purposes--like militia groups, Muslim groups, Christian groups, etc.

 

[JK/SEA]

well, i'm happy their getting paid to at least learn something....

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

Soooo...what the fuck happened in here?

OP posted an article that was poorly sourced and claimed something to be fact that it didn't prove.

 

[CPUd]

Oh, you think RPF with Kokesh supporters, tyrannical cop haters, and those limited government kooks aren't worthy of some eyes?

During the primaries, yes, because this board was an organizational hub that threatened a major political campaign.

Right now, not so much. When they come to really destroy a board, you will know it. And the ones behind it won't be alphabet agencies, they are doing it for commercial purposes.

 

[parocks]

Since she hasn't responded to that specific question yet, I feel comfortable responding for her. No, you are wrong, that is not what she believes. At all. I don't know where in the article you read, "EVERYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU ON THE INTERNET IS A GOVERNMENT PAID TROLL."

The entire point of government paid troll is to get more real people on their side. So it makes sense that they would have some non-government paid people agreeing with and promoting their views.

So what is the real lesson here?

Don't find yourself agreeing with government paid trolls!!!

"The entire point of government paid troll is to get more real people on their side."

I don't know about this. "Government paid trolls" might be interested in getting real people on their side. Sometimes, maybe.

But there are some other things that "Government paid trolls" might do.

Infiltrating organizations and getting people demoralized about the mission.
And getting people motivated to do pointless and harmful things.

Now that I've seen that the National Committeeman that the Ron Paul people voted for, that I voted for, in Maine last May, used to work for INSCOM and the NSA, I now suspect that many of the crazy BS ideas that I saw repeated so often here on ronpaulforums since 2007 aren't naturally occurring in any sense. They're elaborate tricks being pulled by people who have no interest in helping Ron Paul at all, but only of harming Ron Paul. I'm not arguing that everyone who adopts the ideas of the paid tricksters are paid tricksters. The paid tricksters have loud voices, and are persistent. It is not a shock that people buy in at times, and parrot the paid tricksters lines.

Arguably, this problem being discussed here is the central problem we have.

How can we fight this?

Where can I find an article somewhere? Something definitive. That says something like: "Goverment spies often develop plans to infiltrate and disrupt organizations, including political campaigns. Here is what they typically try to accomplish. Here are many examples of this happening in the past. Here is how this serious problem is effectively fought."

We need this. We all need to know this. When the Ron Paul campaign in Maine is electing as National Committeeman (Mark Willis) someone who worked for INSCOM as a liason between INSCOM and the NSA, something is seriously wrong with our abilities to root out those who aren't interested in helping, in following the plan, but in disrupting the plan.

I want that link to that article that helps us fight against the Government paid trolls who are trying to disrupt our plans. Strangely enough, Wikipedia does a pretty good job of that.


INSCOM also has significant responsibilities in counterintelligence, force protection, electronic warfare, and information warfare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Intelligence_and_Security_Command
INSCOM was Mark Willis's employer for 10 years.

What exactly is "information warfare"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_warfare
"Information warfare may involve collection of tactical information, assurance(s) that one's own information is valid, spreading of propaganda or disinformation to demoralize or manipulate[1] the enemy and the public, undermining the quality of opposing force information and denial of information-collection opportunities to opposing forces."

Spreading of propaganda or disinformation? Isn't that what Government Paid Trolls do?

I'm really pissed off about all this. It's one thing to recognize that we aren't going to win many battles right now because enough people aren't on our side right now. It's another thing to recognize that the Government is taking our tax dollars and paying people to disrupt our plans to get people on our side. Really pisses me off. Goverment vs People.

I do not like when the Government fks with people.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Not really. With the limited budget, length of time we've been around, if they ever had eyes on us, they've become bored or moved on to more worthy targets. Like those who genuinely threaten banks, financial institutions, or ones that can serve their current purposes--like militia groups, Muslim groups, Christian groups, etc.

Bingo. If you owe big cash in taxes or talk of blowing up a building, then these people will focus on you. Lower level workers are given small cases. It breaks them into the job, and helps the government make an example or two of a little guy now and then. It's no different than any other type of job in that the government worker wants to make the impressive score. That ain't gonna happen on RPF. Sort of laughable really.

The gov couldn't much care less what is being said on here, save for the pulse of what's happening. Most people on these forums are all talk. That does not hold much interest for the gov.

 

[parocks]

Oh, you think RPF with Kokesh supporters, tyrannical cop haters, and those limited government kooks aren't worthy of some eyes?

What? Kokesh is likely a troll.

Ron Paul was a huge threat to the Military. He's the only candidate ever to seriously talk about cutting the Military budget. Ron Paul has clearly expressed, over and over, his dislike for the NSA. The Military would have an interest in hurting the Ron Paul campaign, and stifling any opposition (which would be us) to increased Spying, increased Military Spending.

That's what it's about. They aren't looking to bust people. Their core message at this point is "leave the GOP." Which some people here like. It's very popular in Maine nowadays. Forget that the Ron Paul plan was "join the GOP and change it from within" and has been for many years.

 

[parocks]

Bingo. If you owe big cash in taxes or talk of blowing up a building, then these people will focus on you. Lower level workers are given small cases. It breaks them into the job, and helps the government make an example or two of a little guy now and then. It's no different than any other type of job in that the government worker wants to make the impressive score. That ain't gonna happen on RPF. Sort of laughable really.

The gov couldn't much care less what is being said on here, save for the pulse of what's happening. Most people on these forums are all talk. That does not hold much interest for the gov.

You aren't getting it either. The Government isn't looking to bust people for crimes. The Government is trying to disrupt the Ron Paul Campaign and the "Liberty Movement". Because we want the NSA gone. We want the Military budget cut in half. And they're trying to prevent us from following our plans.