FDA to require prescription for antibiotics in livestock

[brandon]

Antibiotic resistant bacteria would likely be less of a problem if the government would lower the barriers into research for alternative treatments such as phage therapy, and stop directing research through their grants. Anyway, will this be the death blow for the dollar menu?

For those claiming "mind your own business", I think that sometimes public health concerns do require intervention. If the retard next door to me has built an explosive meth lab, I'm going to want to shut it down by force before he kills us all.

 

[tttppp]

It's official...this forum has been over run with liberals who only support Ron because of his position on foreign policy and the war on drugs. I grew up on a family farm, and I can tell you that the government doesn't have the right to tell us how to farm, period! Government sucks.

Maybe you missed my post where I said you can motivate farmers to produce real food without the use of any regulations. I don't see how this isn't consistent with Ron Paul.

 

[tttppp]

I don't believe the propaganda about medical costs. Again, Americans are living longer now than at any point in history, including the era in time when 85% of the population farmed their own food. Anecdotal evidence supports my case, not yours. I think that preservatives and antibiotics make the odds of meat being contaminated smaller, not bigger.

But more importantly, you're saying here is that when it really comes down to it, you don't really mind if the government takes away choices in the market, as long as you think society is better off as a result, using criteria weighed as you believe they should be weighed.

This is definitely the liberal infestation. When it comes down to it, they believe they are smarter than the rest of the population, and therefore it's ok to use government to do things their way. After all, it's for the common good.

People may be living longer now, but medical costs have gone way up. This is because people are eating unhealthier food and the medical industry only covers up the problems, it doesn't cure anything. The facts support my case, not yours.

Eating meat with antibiotics is roughly the same as getting a shot of antibiotics. If you required a shot of antibiotics to eat meat, I'm sure you would prefer to eat something else.

Also, what is wrong with my idea of eliminating all regulations and putting in a system that will motivate farmers to produce real food without any regulations?

 

[hard@work]

People may be living longer now, but medical costs have gone way up. This is because people are eating unhealthier food and the medical industry only covers up the problems, it doesn't cure anything.

I'm not commenting on any other part of this discussion. This however is the absolute truth. The SAD (standard American diet) diet is creating a lot of health problems with a lot of people very early on. And then it is being masked by pharmas.

Even Dr. Paul comes out and says this.

 

[brandon]

Eating meat with antibiotics is roughly the same as getting a shot of antibiotics. If you required a shot of antibiotics to eat meat, I'm sure you would prefer to eat something else.

I'll remember this next time I get a bacterial infection. I'll skip the doctors visit and just eat hamburger all day. Thanks!

 

[Brett85]

Most farmers these days only care about making a buck, and are destroying the biodiversity of nature by planting genetically modified plants which spread into the natural gene pool, destroying the environment through over-use of toxic pesticides and herbicides, and creating deadly super-bacteria through irresponsible livestock management.

I am in no way a "liberal", and I don't even 100% agree with RP on foreign policy or drugs. People should be free to manage their time, bodies and property in any way they see fit so long as it does not harm others rights. There are those, however, who would exploit the environment, health and lives of others to make a buck. I'm sorry, but factory farmers fit in that category, and are doing it on taxpayers' dimes to boot. Food supply is the very cornerstone of our individual lives and corporate society. When it is allowed to be destroyed in ways that are irreversible, the only people that win are Monsanto and government power brokers.

Most farmers care about making enough money to support their families. Hardly anyone gets rich from farming, except for a few big corporate farmers. A law like this will only hurt the small farmers, not the big corporate farmers. Even going beyond this particular law, where is the Constitutional authority for the FDA to even exist? I didn't see that when I read through article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution. Where is the Constitutional authority for the EPA? The EPA has no authority to regulate herbicides and pesticides, because the EPA has no authority to even exist. Also, how exactly do you expect farmers to farm without using herbicides and pesticides?

 

[Anti Federalist]

A true free market, as it stands now, would bring with it hardship and death, long before the market could react, IMO.

If I was the kind of guy that put out of context quotes in my sig line in a lame attempt to try and embarrass people, that one would be a killer.

But I'm not that kind of guy.

 

[tttppp]

I'll remember this next time I get a bacterial infection. I'll skip the doctors visit and just eat hamburger all day. Thanks!

A hamburger is about as effective as most medication you get from the doctors, and has much less side effects. If you want real results, I'd go to an herbologist.

 

[wrestlingwes_8]

We wouldn't be faced with this problem if we just raised the NATIVE ruminant of North America for meat production - BISON!!

1. They do not get sick nearly as much as cattle do since they are adapted to this environment
2. They utilize the available grass in a pasture more efficiently and effectively (they eat a wider range of grasses and also do not hang around water sources like cattle do)
3. They do not need to be fed in the winter, unless the conditions become very extreme
4. They have significantly fewer problems giving birth

And plus, they are healthier for you! And taste better in my opinion, nothing beats a good ol' Bison Burger here in South Dakota.

 

[QuickZ06]

If the government is involved, it cannot be for the good. Everything they do has a motive behind it.

 

[rockerrockstar]

We should be worried about the growth hormones they give these animals because the meat can cause us to get cancer. Even milk that has hormones in it can cause cancer. I have seen articles on it not long ago. I am sure you guys probably read about it too. Scary stuff.

http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/general/milk.htm

http://cincovidas.com/growth-hormones-in-beef-potential-cancer-causers-choose-organic/

 

[tttppp]

We should be worried about the growth hormones they give these animals because the meat can cause us to get cancer. Even milk that has hormones in it can cause cancer. I have seen articles on it not long ago. I am sure you guys probably read about it too. Scary stuff.

http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/general/milk.htm

http://cincovidas.com/growth-hormones-in-beef-potential-cancer-causers-choose-organic/

I agree. None of this garbage should be in our food. Instead of feeding them fake crap, why not give them what they eat naturally?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

We wouldn't be faced with this problem if we just raised the NATIVE ruminant of North America for meat production - BISON!!

1. They do not get sick nearly as much as cattle do since they are adapted to this environment
2. They utilize the available grass in a pasture more efficiently and effectively (they eat a wider range of grasses and also do not hang around water sources like cattle do)
3. They do not need to be fed in the winter, unless the conditions become very extreme
4. They have significantly fewer problems giving birth

And plus, they are healthier for you! And taste better in my opinion, nothing beats a good ol' Bison Burger here in South Dakota.

Bison meat tends to be much leaner, too. It's so much better than beef.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

It's official...this forum has been over run with liberals who only support Ron because of his position on foreign policy and the war on drugs. I grew up on a family farm, and I can tell you that the government doesn't have the right to tell us how to farm, period! Government sucks.

Except for when it regulates abortion, marriage, a massive military costing hundreds of billions a year, police, a secret prison system where alleged terrorists are tortured and often killed, and the Intelligence State, a court system, intellectual property...

 

[Brett85]

Except for when it regulates abortion, marriage, a massive military costing hundreds of billions a year, police, a secret prison system where alleged terrorists are tortured and often killed, and the Intelligence State, a court system, intellectual property...

Even Ron Paul supports regulating some of those things, such as abortion and marriage. He believes that we should have a strong military, local police, intelligence agencies, a court system, and intellectual property. He doesn't support secret prisons, and neither do I. But, even though I'm not an anarchist, I'm still more libertarian than most of the people posting in this thread and the minimum wage thread. How exactly can these people arguing in favor of FDA regulations and increasing the minimum wage call themselves "libertarians" in any way?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Even Ron Paul supports regulating some of those things, such as abortion and marriage. He believes that we should have a strong military, local police, intelligence agencies, a court system, and intellectual property. He doesn't support secret prisons, and neither do I. But, even though I'm not an anarchist, I'm still more libertarian than most of the people posting in this thread and the minimum wage thread. How exactly can these people arguing in favor of FDA regulations and increasing the minimum wage call themselves "libertarians" in any way?

Just exhibiting the macho flash. You're right, though, the approval of the FDA regulations in this thread is appalling.

And I'm happy to see that you've changed your position on Gitmo. For liberty!

 

[Brett85]

Just exhibiting the macho flash. You're right, though, the approval of the FDA regulations in this thread is appalling.

And I'm happy to see that you've changed your position on Gitmo. For liberty!

Gitmo isn't a secret prison. I thought you were talking about the secret prisons we have in Europe. But, my position isn't that Gitmo should stay open forever. My position is that all of the prisoners at Gitmo should be tried in military tribunals as soon as possible. Those who are found innocent should be released to their country of origin, and those who are found guilty should be executed. Once all of the prisoners have been tried, I would support closing down Gitmo.

 

[tttppp]

Even Ron Paul supports regulating some of those things, such as abortion and marriage. He believes that we should have a strong military, local police, intelligence agencies, a court system, and intellectual property. He doesn't support secret prisons, and neither do I. But, even though I'm not an anarchist, I'm still more libertarian than most of the people posting in this thread and the minimum wage thread. How exactly can these people arguing in favor of FDA regulations and increasing the minimum wage call themselves "libertarians" in any way?

There is a difference between someone who likes a couple of regulations than someone who wants to overregulate everything to death.

 

[tod evans]

Keep the government off our farms.

Buy locally grown meat, and for you city dwellers........know your butcher!

Wanting to buy "suits your notion of pure" beef from Wal-Mart for $1.99lb just isn't going to happen.

There's an old saying in the trades that applies to food too; Good/Fast/Cheap.....pick two.

 

[dannno]

We wouldn't be faced with this problem if we just raised the NATIVE ruminant of North America for meat production - BISON!!

1. They do not get sick nearly as much as cattle do since they are adapted to this environment
2. They utilize the available grass in a pasture more efficiently and effectively (they eat a wider range of grasses and also do not hang around water sources like cattle do)
3. They do not need to be fed in the winter, unless the conditions become very extreme
4. They have significantly fewer problems giving birth

And plus, they are healthier for you! And taste better in my opinion, nothing beats a good ol' Bison Burger here in South Dakota.

+Rep I agree 100% with this post. Even though I only eat meat a few times a year, bison is always a favorite of mine to be on the menu.

If I ever started eating more meat, it would be primarily bison and venison.. also fish.. not a big fan of foul tho chickens are easy to raise and I like eggs.