Father sentenced to life in prison for 'murder' after daughter dies following MMR vaccine

[erowe1]

The number one major being accepted to med school is the music major, not science majors.

I'm still interested in what your source was. But here's another:
https://www.aamc.org/download/321496/data/2012factstable18.pdf

I'm sure that a few of the people in the "other" category were music majors. But even if they made up that whole category, they'd still only be 15% of all matriculants to US med schools, versus biological sciences being more than half by itself.

 

[angelatc]

People have different points of view. You seem to want to convince everyone that yours is right and theirs wrong. Why?.

Because the people that are here to preach to us about their view are dangerous and wrong. (Not to mention liars and charlatans.)

Because vaccines save lives. Hundreds and hundreds of lives in America every year, alone. The growing anti-vax movement is the biggest threat to liberty as well as public health that we've seen in our lifetime.

I read what you said, but you're just wrong. There is more than 100 years of evidence that vaccines work and are about as safe as anything else you put in your body. There is about 100 years of evidence that they save lives, and the side effects from the diseases are far worse and far more common than the side effects from the vaccines have ever been.

People can have opinions, but they better be damned sure they're based in proof if they're going to start posting articles that encourage young parents to intentionally expose their infants to potentially fatal diseases.

I don't care if you didn't vax your kids, but letting DonnaY and the other anti-vax cult members try to poison the minds of the young activists by repeating the lies over and over here is doing the liberty movement a HUGE disservice.

 

[moostraks]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...hat-has-sent-dozens-of-parents-to-prison.html




So either they're vaccinating the babies before they're born, or the vaccines are unrelated.



( And if anybody is just now joining us, the story in the headline is, so far, entirely undocumented aside from a blogger who seems to have just made the whole thing up. )

Is there any possibility that vaccines foisted upon a pregnant mother could have contributed? How newborn are the newborns in the study (the ones who did not die before delivery, as the first shots are within 3 days now). To question the possibility of a link is not the same as saying all sbs deaths are all caused by vaccines. It is a call to pressure the establishment to not have a sacred cow and look into a possible vaccine connection.

No I didn't. I said the fact that the signs were seen in unborn babies meant it wasn't the vaccines causing the damage. Then you went off into conspiracy-land, claiming that maybe it was because the mothers were vaccinated that created the problems - something that has not ever been alleged before...

Off of here to go eat dinner so enjoy your hate fest. You posted a finding and made a claim. I questioned your claim that vaccines could not be involved as they are still potentially present depending upon how the study was conducted. You are the one who was making a sweeping claim and I questioned you based upon the fact that you posted the source material. For this I am in crazy conspiracy land? You posted the material and made a claim. Did the study include pregnant women and newborns who were vaccinated? Since you posted this material you seemed like the likely person to answer the question, or are you guessing based upon the fact of the age? It was a pretty simple question which does not entitle you to some hate filled attack upon my character. Do you know the answer? Does the study say?

 

[Ender]

What's your source for this?

After you kept posting that hoax about the Botha speech, I'm skeptical.

What hoax?

 

[erowe1]

What hoax?

That fake Botha speech about sending out special forces to poison black people and make them infertile.

 

[angelatc]

Also, no medical student ever learns about health, diets, what common foods do for the body etc. They are never schooled in prevention. Because of this the common MD has ZIP knowledge on real health and what keeps the body healthy. They know about medications but not cures.

Right. MDs don't know anything about health. As long as we all eat right, we will never get sick! Where's your proof that a virus is no match for a good diet?

 

[angelatc]

Off of here to go eat dinner so enjoy your hate fest. You posted a finding and made a claim. I questioned your claim that vaccines could not be involved as they are still potentially present depending upon how the study was conducted. You are the one who was making a sweeping claim and I questioned you based upon the fact that you posted the source material. For this I am in crazy conspiracy land? You posted the material and made a claim. Did the study include pregnant women and newborns who were vaccinated? Since you posted this material you seemed like the likely person to answer the question, or are you guessing based upon the fact of the age? It was a pretty simple question which does not entitle you to some hate filled attack upon my character. Do you know the answer? Does the study say?

I do know the answer now, and was tempted to post it, but I'm quite tired of doing your homework for you. I can't believe I am the only person intelligent enough to use Google, so I am stuck with the belief that you people are being intentionally obtuse. It's an annoying habit, to say the least.

If I produce the answer, then all you will do is take it to an even more absurd level. You just proved it. Eventually I'll be forced to admit I can't find any studies about the effects of vaccines in the second or third generation, that it appears that nobody has studied the effects of vaccinating the grandmothers, and then you can all scream Ah Ha! There could be a link to vaccines! They have not been proven safe!

Remember, the original contention was that the vaccines created the disease in infants. When I showed that the symptoms happened equally as often in babies that were not vaccinated, some of who had not even been born, you moved the bar a little lower.

At what point do you think maybe you should assume some burden of proof?

 

[Ender]

I'm still interested in what your source was. But here's another:
https://www.aamc.org/download/321496/data/2012factstable18.pdf

I'm sure that a few of the people in the "other" category were music majors. But even if they made up that whole category, they'd still only be 15% of all matriculants to US med schools, versus biological sciences being more than half by itself.

From this article:

http://www.nammfoundation.org/research/research-briefs-did-you-know

Did You Know?

Music majors are the most likely group of college grads to be admitted to medical school. Physician and biologist Lewis Thomas studied the undergraduate majors of medical school applicants. He found that 66 percent of music majors who applied to med school were admitted, the highest percentage of any group. For comparison, (44 percent) of biochemistry majors were admitted. Also, a study of 7,500 university students revealed that music majors scored the highest reading scores among all majors including English, biology, chemistry and math.
Sources: "The Comparative Academic Abilities of Students in Education and in Other Areas of a Multi-focus University," Peter H. Wood, ERIC Document No. ED327480

"The Case for Music in the Schools," Phi Delta Kappan, February, 1994

 

[Ender]

Right. MDs don't know anything about health. As long as we all eat right, we will never get sick! Where's your proof that a virus is no match for a good diet?

Me.

 

[Ender]

That fake Botha speech about sending out special forces to poison black people and make them infertile.

Who said that speech was fake?

 

[erowe1]

Who said that speech was fake?

The same newspaper that you claimed had printed the speech in the first place.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/incoming/2010/10/11/hogarth-the-alleged-1985-pw-botha-speech

 

[erowe1]

Music majors are the most likely group of college grads to be admitted to medical school. Physician and biologist Lewis Thomas studied the undergraduate majors of medical school applicants. He found that 66 percent of music majors who applied to med school were admitted, the highest percentage of any group.

OK. That's not how I interpret the claim that they're the number one major being accepted. But now that I know that's what you meant I see how you can put it that way.

 

[angelatc]

Me.

Anecdotal evidence is not scientific proof. For all we know you have some bizarre recessive good genes, and you could eat nothing but Doritos and still be healthy as a horse.

 

[amy31416]

The number one major being accepted to med school is the music major, not science majors. This is because arts connect the brain- nevertheless to assume that med students start out as brilliant scientists is erroneous.

Also, no medical student ever learns about health, diets, what common foods do for the body etc. They are never schooled in prevention. Because of this the common MD has ZIP knowledge on real health and what keeps the body healthy. They know about medications but not cures.

http://www.usnews.com/education/blo...-right-undergraduate-major-for-medical-school

The Association of American Medical Colleges has data to suggest that your major simply does not matter when it comes to getting accepted to medical school. According to their data, only 51 percent of students who enrolled in medical school in 2012 majored in biological sciences. That means the remaining medical school matriculants majored in humanities, math or statistics, physical sciences, social sciences or specialized health sciences.

http://medicalschoolhq.net/best-major-for-medical-school-do-i-need-to-suffer-through-chemistry/

The majority (75%) of medical school matriculants major in the biological, physical and social sciences. This leaves 25% of students accepted to medical school that have majors in other disciplines.[1]

 

[angelatc]

Music majors are the most likely group of college grads to be admitted to medical school. Physician and biologist Lewis Thomas studied the undergraduate majors of medical school applicants. He found that 66 percent of music majors who applied to med school were admitted, the highest percentage of any group. For comparison, (44 percent) of biochemistry majors were admitted.

Suppose 3 music majors applied, and 1,000 biochemistry majors also applied. Using your numbers, it means that 2 music majors were accepted, while 440 biochemistry majors were admitted.

And it doesn't address the odds of the music majors finishing, either.

 

[amy31416]

The number one major being accepted to med school is the music major, not science majors. This is because arts connect the brain- nevertheless to assume that med students start out as brilliant scientists is erroneous.

Also, no medical student ever learns about health, diets, what common foods do for the body etc. They are never schooled in prevention. Because of this the common MD has ZIP knowledge on real health and what keeps the body healthy. They know about medications but not cures.

http://www.usnews.com/education/blo...-right-undergraduate-major-for-medical-school

The Association of American Medical Colleges has data to suggest that your major simply does not matter when it comes to getting accepted to medical school. According to their data, only 51 percent of students who enrolled in medical school in 2012 majored in biological sciences. That means the remaining medical school matriculants majored in humanities, math or statistics, physical sciences, social sciences or specialized health sciences.

http://medicalschoolhq.net/best-major-for-medical-school-do-i-need-to-suffer-through-chemistry/

The majority (75%) of medical school matriculants major in the biological, physical and social sciences. This leaves 25% of students accepted to medical school that have majors in other disciplines.[1]

 

[donnay]

The History of Health

(In Chronological Order)

This page: 540 AD - 1945
1946 - 1977
1978 - 1994

This is a much abbreviated form of the VERY extensive chronological chart of the history of mankind, as compiled by Val Valerian at www.trufax.org. Please visit his website for the full history.

Schools and universities don't teach us the history of the things which REALLY affect our lives, such as health. So I have put this together as a research tool.

Where possible, references are given. However, this type of information is not always readily available. Therefore, flexibility was allowed in compiling this history. Please don't get upset if something was left out or shouldn't have been included or you don't believe it happened. Do some research and come up with your own chronological chart!!!

I trust you will find the following to be interesting. If you do, please pass this information on to others (especially those who don't have access to the net).

http://www.relfe.com/history_1.html

 

[moostraks]

I do know the answer now, and was tempted to post it, but I'm quite tired of doing your homework for you. I can't believe I am the only person intelligent enough to use Google, so I am stuck with the belief that you people are being intentionally obtuse. It's an annoying habit, to say the least.

If I produce the answer, then all you will do is take it to an even more absurd level. You just proved it. Eventually I'll be forced to admit I can't find any studies about the effects of vaccines in the second or third generation, that it appears that nobody has studied the effects of vaccinating the grandmothers, and then you can all scream Ah Ha! There could be a link to vaccines! They have not been proven safe!

Remember, the original contention was that the vaccines created the disease in infants. When I showed that the symptoms happened equally as often in babies that were not vaccinated, some of who had not even been born, you moved the bar a little lower.

At what point do you think maybe you should assume some burden of proof?

I am not as highly invested in this argument as you seem to be so I have not bothered to run down your study nor am I making any definitive claims, I trusted you to answer the question honestly. Since when have you had to do my homework oh persecuted one? You posted a study and made an assertion. I asked you based on the study you found and the claim you made can you say for certain that neither were the babies subject to vaccines in utero nor prior to the study. It was a simple question. It is pretty relevant when you make a claim that vaccines are not present when it is indeed possible for them to be present depending on how the infants were chosen. So are you going to answer the question or are you just playing games?

ETA-My question regarding the mothers of the ones who died prior to birth is vaccinated during pregnancy. It seems I might not have been clear regarding that which is why you may seem to think I would go to add in grandmothers, etc. It is a very simple question and specific to vaccine exposure in the infants in question.

 

[osan]

Can you answer the immunology questions in the link I gave?

What has my ability answer the questions to do with the issue?

This has the smell of deflection on it.

 

[amy31416]

Suppose 3 music majors applied, and 1,000 biochemistry majors also applied. Using your numbers, it means that 2 music majors were accepted, while 440 biochemistry majors were admitted.

And it doesn't address the odds of the music majors finishing, either.

Another thing he's likely wrong about is the reason that music/art majors have a good acceptance rate to medical school is that those students who had the luxury of that sort of major often went to private schools and were already advanced in the sciences prior to ever going to college.

Now this is anecdotal evidence, but when I taught physics and chemistry labs for a small private, expensive college--it was the dance/music majors who excelled and that was because our courses were a review for them, AND they were highly disciplined students as opposed to, say, the public school hockey players who needed their hands held throughout freshman-level courses. The Dean of the department always accepted these private school students because they were the cream of the crop, and our school had a fantastic arts program so they could pursue both interests.

Ender and I also had an argument about students having discipline, and he's opposed to disciplined students to the point where he doesn't think it matters if they can read or communicate, which strikes me as bizarre, especially now that he's all for those who have the discipline to be capable of handling both the arts and the sciences.