Fast-food workers in Detroit walk off job, demand $15 an hour

Michigan11 said:
I think alot of us are missing the point here in the discussion. Those poor bastards working at these shit jobs, are idiots for trying to double their wage, and probably have no hope of any better job. To be honest I would never go thru a drive thru in Detroit, just because I wouldn't trust the food in the first place. The point here is that people in this country are trying to strike at fast food jobs for Christ Sakes. This would have been considered a pretty far out there joke by any comedian just 5 years ago. It's a reminder of how far this country is slipping, when something like this is happening and in the news.

Go back a few years in time, and imagine how ludacris an idea this would sound like. Today it's just another goofy story were driving by but, it's a tell tale sign of the reality we live in and what is coming down the road. Detroit should have been bulldozed a couple decades ago, but it wasn't. It's still there, sort of like that anchor dragging along the bottom while trying to set sail.

In 1991, when I was in high school still, as a teenager we all wanted to work, and there were jobs, yet you wanted to work even at that age in order to buy things you wanted or go places with your friends. In 95', when I had my own trade business, I was hiring new hires at $14 per hour, more experienced at $20 per hour. The $14 per hour was for college aged workers working while going to school. The idea of just working to pay bills to survive is a strange thought. There has to be an incentive in order to work, to save, or get ahead.

As the 90's roared on, I noticed the price of workmans comp insurance and taxes becoming too expensive to be able to just hire people. Won't talk any further about that, but at a roofing company I was managing and selling for down in Florida.... I noticed they are all paying under the table, hell a growing number are. The workers down there are from Guatemala and Mexico, and they were getting $12-14 per hour, working on hot ass roofs in hot ass weather, but they did want some of their hours on their checks so they could get their big $6,000 to $8,000 tax refund CREDITS at the end of the year when they filed tax returns.

The point here is this, this is not capitalism in this country any longer and its giving capitalism a very very very bad name which is working against us. We have fake money that is running it's end course, an over bearing government at all levels on business, and it's all catching up at this point in time. To expand this movement we need to instead reword our arguments, otherwise people are going to continue to point their anger at business, not the government where it rightfully belongs.
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Completely agree man. The fact that people are starting to strike at McDonald's just shows how shitty the opportunities for the average joe have become.
 
I think a Condescending Wonka meme would fit in perfectly here.

"Oh you're striking because you don't like your wages at Wendy's?"

"Let me know how well that works for you just as soon as I'm finished interviewing your replacements."
 
luctor-et-emergo said:
They walk off because they want 15$ an hour ?
Sure, whatever they want.

Just as long as they don't complain if somebody else takes over their job after they walked out.
If nobody else wants that job ? Then you can bargain.
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Word. I think they're overplaying their hand though.
 
HigherVision said:
Word. I think they're overplaying their hand though.
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That's because of labor unions but more importantly the 'power' that government claims to have in regulating the labor market and the corrupted nature of politics. This is partially a remainder of the free market but much more a consequence of popular thought towards rights. This is because people think they have a right to take from other people. There are off course many more factors to this story, and I don't want to judge on the legitimacy of their 'strike'. Generally the free market version of strikes have been perverted into legal bullying and extortion of businesses for short term benefits.
 
Unions vs Employers: when either side gains too much power, the system is Unbalanced. Govt intervention prevents that balance from correcting itself.
 
Michigan11 said:
It is the subsidies, but it is also the regulations and taxes put on businesses, keeping them from hiring. It's goes even deeper. The subsidies were always there for at least the last couple decades, the free market wage price has been steadily dropping. Therefore we are now at this point where most are sitting at home, sucking up food stamps and getting their big tax refunds at the end of the year for not even paying any taxes.
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Completely agree, but you were talking about an isolated price of labor. (willing to work for a certain wage or not.) So I was responding to that factor in isolation. If we throw everything into the mix, we have endless problems and no solution for any of it.

Now, that doesn't mean there's no way out... it's just that you eat an elephant one bite at a time, so sometimes you have to look at a giant fucked up situation by isolating one fucked up problem at a time.
 
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MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2 said:
Completely agree, but you were talking about an isolated price of labor. (willing to work for a certain wage or not.) So I was responding to that factor in isolation. If we throw everything into the mix, we have endless problems and no solution for any of it.

Now, that doesn't mean there's no way out... it's just that you eat an elephant one bite at a time, so sometimes you have to look at a giant fucked up situation by isolating one fucked up problem at a time.
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I see what you mean by the analogy of the elephant. Sometimes I wonder if it were possible to just paint a picture and then others would see it and go WTF was I thinking before. I guess it is best to zero in on a specific in a debate.
 
"Many of them have babies and children to raise".

gee, why don't you stop having kids then? Or don't begin to have any if you can't support them
 
FallOfTheWest said:
"Many of them have babies and children to raise".

gee, why don't you stop having kids then? Or don't begin to have any if you can't support them
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Making babies is a source of income for some and a great bargaining chip.

Peace.
 
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Henry Rogue said:
Making babies is a source of income for some and a great bargaining chip.

Peace.
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So true and you know what if we could just get these lossers having all these kids they cant afford to vote for liberty we'd have a path to freedom very soon. If there are any people thinking meh I don't know if I could do that, just do it people. We need more liberty peeps in our flock!


J/K but seriously LMAO
 
I can't remember the first minimum wage for sure. I'm sort of thinking $1.18 when I was delivering papers. Somewhere I'm thinking $1.35 about 1968 and when I started pretty steady in the 70's $1.80.

If you use the Silver & Gold payment calculator to see just what one of those figures is worth after all the years of our wages being at the mercy of the counterfeiters, lets just see how out of line a Global Wage Reset is warranted.

http://www.silverandgoldaremoney.com/

Guesstimates for

1964 or so;

$1.18 = $20.10 an hour

The figure above may be misleading by about about 25% on the low side(?) but they are still way up there. It is calculated on the pre 64 coins having 0.715 troy ounces.


If you go by Robert Sahr's chart below in the embiggen section maybe it would be more like 26 times or $30.68


If you go a different route and use the latest Dow Jones Industrial average of 15,000 to calculate that they have counterfeited the money supply about 30 times over since stocks were a flat-line when we used real money, you would get a figure of around $35.40 an hour.

Kind of confusing except for the part that they have systematically been working us over for decades. Globally.


The global conspiracy in regards to the nations of the worlds immigration laws is no accident.
 
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Good for them, they should demand higher wages, especially if enough of them feel that way. I doubt $15 is the market rate, though. We'll see how quickly they are replaced.
 
Can you even get an honest day's wage for an honest day's work anywhere in Detroit anymore?
 
(Reuters) - Hundreds of fast-food employees in Detroit walked off the job on Friday, temporarily shuttering a handful of outlets as part of a growing U.S. worker movement that is demanding higher wages for flipping burgers and operating fryers.
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Supply and demand.
 
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