Fabianism Vs. Leninism, and How it Parallels Our Current Situation

Oh I see Nullvalu, (I think)


So Leninists can embrace principles of fabianism to carry out their agendas??

I guess fabianism would fall into the category of "any means necessary"??

Am I understanding it correctly now??
 
From Omar Khayyam:

Dear love, couldst thou and I with fate conspire
to grasp this sorry scheme of things entire,
would we not shatter it to bits
and then remould it nearer to the hearts desire?

This is the poetic inspiration for the Fabians to make war on the world, 'shatter it to bits and then remould it to the hearts desire.' By getting into the power centers they get their hands on the means of making war.

The question is, do we have it within ourselves to secure our liberties from these tyrants without bloodshed? History has shown that radical political and social change more often than not came about violently. This is the same excuse the Neo-cons make promoting American empire around the world.

I think the best way to challenge them is to point out how their methods are essentially coercive and be able to rationally define their means of coercion. Once people understand this, they'll know how their freedoms are being coopted. We have to be able to paint every proposed action by the Fabians as coercive. We have to recognize the coercion in all its subtle ways and call it out, every opportunity we see.
 
Oh I see Nullvalu, (I think)


So Leninists can embrace principles of fabianism to carry out their agendas??

I guess fabianism would fall into the category of "any means necessary"??

Am I understanding it correctly now??


Lenninists and Fabians differ in their methods, but they agree on the same goal, global domination by collectivism.
 
Bumping "An Idea Whose Time Has Come" video by G. Edward Griffin of Freedom Force International.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6015291679758430958

If you aren't going to watch it, then at least read his group's Creed of Freedom.

THE CREED OF FREEDOM

INTRINSIC NATURE OF RIGHTS
I believe that only individuals have rights, not the collective group; that these rights are intrinsic to each individual, not granted by the state; for if the state has the power to grant them, it also has the power to deny them, and that is incompatible with personal liberty.
I believe that a just government derives its power solely from the governed. Therefore, the state must never presume to do anything beyond what individual citizens also have the right to do. Otherwise, the state is a power unto itself and becomes the master instead of the servant of society.

SUPREMACY OF THE INDIVIDUAL
I believe that one of the greatest threats to freedom is to allow any group, no matter its numeric superiority, to deny the rights of the minority; and that one of the primary functions of just government is to protect each individual from the greed and passion of the majority.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE
I believe that desirable social and economic objectives are better achieved by voluntary action than by coercion of law. I believe that social tranquility and brotherhood are better achieved by tolerance, persuasion, and the power of good example than by coercion of law. I believe that those in need are better served by charity, which is the giving of one's own money, than by welfare, which is the giving of other people's money through coercion of law.

EQUALITY UNDER LAW
I believe that all citizens should be equal under law, regardless of their national origin, race, religion, gender, education, economic status, life style, or political opinion. Likewise, no class should be given preferential treatment, regardless of the merit or popularity of its cause. To favor one class over another is not equality under law.

PROPER ROLE OF GOVERNMENT
I believe that the proper role of government is negative, not positive; defensive, not aggressive. It is to protect, not to provide; for if the state is granted the power to provide for some, it must also be able to take from others, and once that power is granted, there are those who will seek it for their advantage. It always leads to legalized plunder and loss of freedom. If government is powerful enough to give us everything we want, it is also powerful enough to take from us everything we have. Therefore, the proper function of government is to protect the lives, liberty, and property of its citizens; nothing more. That government is best which governs least.

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THE THREE COMMANDMENTS OF FREEDOM

The Creed of Freedom is based on five principles. However, in day-to-day application, they can be reduced to just three codes of conduct. I consider them to be The Three Commandments of Freedom:

INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS
Do not sacrifice the rights of any individual or minority for the assumed rights of the group.

EQUALITY UNDER LAW
Do not endorse any law that does not apply to all citizens equally.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE
Do not use coercion for any purpose except to protect human life, liberty, or property
 
Bumping "An Idea Whose Time Has Come" video by G. Edward Griffin of Freedom Force International.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6015291679758430958

If you aren't going to watch it, then at least read his group's Creed of Freedom.

THE CREED OF FREEDOM

INTRINSIC NATURE OF RIGHTS
I believe that only individuals have rights, not the collective group; that these rights are intrinsic to each individual, not granted by the state; for if the state has the power to grant them, it also has the power to deny them, and that is incompatible with personal liberty.
I believe that a just government derives its power solely from the governed. Therefore, the state must never presume to do anything beyond what individual citizens also have the right to do. Otherwise, the state is a power unto itself and becomes the master instead of the servant of society.

SUPREMACY OF THE INDIVIDUAL
I believe that one of the greatest threats to freedom is to allow any group, no matter its numeric superiority, to deny the rights of the minority; and that one of the primary functions of just government is to protect each individual from the greed and passion of the majority.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE
I believe that desirable social and economic objectives are better achieved by voluntary action than by coercion of law. I believe that social tranquility and brotherhood are better achieved by tolerance, persuasion, and the power of good example than by coercion of law. I believe that those in need are better served by charity, which is the giving of one's own money, than by welfare, which is the giving of other people's money through coercion of law.

EQUALITY UNDER LAW
I believe that all citizens should be equal under law, regardless of their national origin, race, religion, gender, education, economic status, life style, or political opinion. Likewise, no class should be given preferential treatment, regardless of the merit or popularity of its cause. To favor one class over another is not equality under law.

PROPER ROLE OF GOVERNMENT
I believe that the proper role of government is negative, not positive; defensive, not aggressive. It is to protect, not to provide; for if the state is granted the power to provide for some, it must also be able to take from others, and once that power is granted, there are those who will seek it for their advantage. It always leads to legalized plunder and loss of freedom. If government is powerful enough to give us everything we want, it is also powerful enough to take from us everything we have. Therefore, the proper function of government is to protect the lives, liberty, and property of its citizens; nothing more. That government is best which governs least.

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THE THREE COMMANDMENTS OF FREEDOM

The Creed of Freedom is based on five principles. However, in day-to-day application, they can be reduced to just three codes of conduct. I consider them to be The Three Commandments of Freedom:

INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS
Do not sacrifice the rights of any individual or minority for the assumed rights of the group.

EQUALITY UNDER LAW
Do not endorse any law that does not apply to all citizens equally.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE
Do not use coercion for any purpose except to protect human life, liberty, or property

Shouldn't we all join Freedom Force International? Or am I missing something?
 
Shouldn't we all join Freedom Force International? Or am I missing something?

No one is stopping you.

Nothing stopped me.

It's just a matter of translating these ideas into action.

The internet is a great tool, but it's not where the battles will be won.

Those must be fought in the real world.
 
Interesting post.

The only problem I see with it, is that every year we are losing rights and that there may not be enough time to slowly take things back.

I see that too.
I am working on educating everyone I can.
This is the only option to effect PEACEFUL change.
I do not like the alternatives. But will be ready to accept it if necessary.
The last "box" is the last option.
 
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