Eyewitness to Michael Brown Shooting Recounts His Friend’s Death in Ferguson, MO

[kcchiefs6465]

I'm sure Patricia cook's killer had his reasons, because it makes no logical sense to shot at someone who is running away from you and not causing you any harm.

I'm sure James T. Williams'(deaf woodcaver) killer had his reasons, because it makes no logical sense to shot at someone who is walking and not doing anything wrong.

Were those two black men in urban environments?

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Were those two black men in urban environments?

does Native American count?

 

[kcchiefs6465]

does Native American count?

Well I don't know. Might knock a few points off of Au's give-a-fuck-o-meter, though.

 

[AuH20]

Well I don't know. Might knock a few points off of Au's give-a-fuck-o-meter, though.

Humanity is fucked up across the board. Some ethnicities have suffered worse cultural breakdowns across the board than others, but it seems that all are currently spiraling towards the same LCD. You could magically wish the police away tomorrow and humanity would still be terrorizing each other. Then we would need to conjure and sensationalize other excuses for the behavior instead of acknowledging the dysfunction of the species. Externalize the core problems. That seems to be a cottage industry for centuries.

 

[bolil]

Humanity is fucked up across the board. Some ethnicities have suffered worse cultural breakdowns across the board than others, but it seems that all are spiraling towards the same LCD. You could magically wish the police away tomorrow and humanity would still be terrorizing each other. Then we would need to conjure and sensationalize other excuses for the behavior instead of acknowledging the dysfunction of the species.

Except people have recourse when they are "terrorized" by other citizens. When "terrorized" by a cop, there is no recourse. There is only compliance or death. You're "Humanity is fucked up," is such a bullshit justification. Humanity is fucked up therefore cops shoot unarmed people. Humanity is fucked up therefore people molest children. Did someone steal your car? Well, humanities fucked up therefore it's your fault. I guess there is nothing to be done about any instance, you know, because "humanity is fucked up." We take issue with criminals, police is a secondary adjective.

Yeah, I get it, you're hard. You look at the reality of the situation. Cops can kill you, if you do anything to make them kill you it's your own damn fault. Smart people, hard people understand this and adapt to the reality by giving cops immediate and unquestioning obedience, and anyone not as smart or hard as they might not deserve a few hot ones to the chest, but smart hard people like you understand why they got em.

 

[AuH20]

Except people have recourse when they are "terrorized" by other citizens. When "terrorized" by a cop, there is no recourse. There is only compliance or death. You're "Humanity is fucked up," is such a bullshit justification. Humanity is fucked up therefore cops shoot unarmed people. Humanity is fucked up therefore people molest children. Did someone steal your car? Well, humanities fucked up therefore it's your fault. I guess there is nothing to be done about any instance, you know, because "humanity is fucked up." We take issue with criminals, police is a secondary adjective.

Yeah, I get it, you're hard. You look at the reality of the situation. Cops can kill you, if you do anything to make them kill you it's your own damn fault. Smart people, hard people understand this and adapt to the reality by giving cops immediate and unquestioning obedience, and anyone not as smart or hard as they might not deserve a few hot ones to the chest, but smart hard people like you understand why they got em.

I have an honest question. Do you think our society would magically cure itself if there was no criminal justice system? Rape, murder and other assorted crimes would simply dwindle to nothing? This irrational, all-consuming hatred of the police belies a greater problem in that people don't want to see the forest for the trees. I largely hold incredible disdain for the police and consider them shysters of the highest order, but I am not oblivious to the prime reason why they have grown in stature. The promise of order is an enticing lure for many people, when the fabric of society is literally unraveling.

 

[Cleaner44]

If they were dumb enough to grab his holster, you simply chalk this one up to Darwin. It's the same reason you don't stick your hands through the bars of the tiger enclosure at the local zoo. Then again we don't have all the details. At first glance, this story does logically fit unless the cop is mentally unstable.

I have an honest question. Do you think our society would magically cure itself if there was no criminal justice system? Rape, murder and other assorted crimes would simply dwindle to nothing? This irrational, all-consuming hatred of the police belies a greater problem in that people don't want to see the forest for the trees. I largely hold incredible disdain for the police and consider them shysters of the highest order, but I am not oblivious to the prime reason why they have grown in stature. The promise of order is an enticing lure for many people, when the fabric of society is literally unraveling.

You aren't going to tell us that Michael Brown did this to himself are you?

 

[AuH20]

You aren't going to tell us that Michael Brown did this to himself are you?

I don't know. If he grabbed the holster, he's not too bright. He could have been a victim of happenstance and a panicked officer.

 

[pcosmar]

I have an honest question. Do you think our society would magically cure itself if there was no criminal justice system? .

What do you mean?

We have a criminal justice system.
I can think of little that is more criminal than our "Justice System".

What we need is something closer to an honest system of Justice.
Don't hold your breath.

 

[AuH20]

What do you mean?

We have a criminal justice system.
I can think of little that is more criminal than our "Justice System".

What we need is something closer to an honest system of Justice.
Don't hold your breath.

My point being that the police/courts/prison system are symptoms of our general malaise as opposed to the prime protagonists that led to this precarious footing. Nature abhors a vacuum and something did indeed fill that vacuum. And specialization is part of it. Wanton, almost aimless pleasure seeking is another reason for the situation as well. People collectively dropped the ball and the professionals rushed in to fill the void. Now we can't get rid of these entrenched professionals who are hellbent at expanding their nests and protecting the authority that was granted to them.

 

[Cleaner44]

I don't know. If he grabbed the holster, he's not too bright. He could have been a victim of happenstance and a panicked officer.

Let us presume that Michael Brown did grab the holster. Would this justify shooting the unarmed and fleeing Michael Brown in the back?

 

[AuH20]

Let us presume that Michael Brown did grab the holster. Would this justify shooting the unarmed and fleeing Michael Brown in the back?

Certainly not. But situational awareness increases your survival odds.

 

[Origanalist]

Really?

C'mon...you know better than that.

The provocation was "contempt of cop".

The perp was deemed guilty on scene.

The sentence of death was meted out for this most extreme of felonies.

 

[Cleaner44]

Certainly not. But situational awareness increases your survival odds.

Very true.

Do you think that an 18 year old attacking a cop sitting in his car and attempting to take his gun from his holster, on what is most likely his far side hip, is a logical explanation for what started this?

 

[AuH20]

Very true.

Do you think that an 18 year old attacking a cop sitting in his car and attempting to take his gun from his holster, on what is most likely his far side hip, is a logical explanation for what started this?

No. The cop was probably accosting them for a reason and chaos ensued. Someone (don't know who it was) probably did something dumb from that point and the officer probably felt his life was in danger. He responded with lethal force, which was excessive to say the least. What I do have a hard time believing is that officer shot Brown out of spite.

 

[alucard13mm]

The only thing I dont like is that it is racially charged again.

 

[Philhelm]

The cop was probably accosting them for a reason and chaos ensued.

Teenager walking on road.

Someone (don't know who it was) probably did something dumb...

Contempt of cop.

from that point and the officer probably felt his life was in danger.

Always.

He responded with lethal force, which was excessive to say the least.

Teenager walking on road.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Different guy



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