Eyewitness to Michael Brown Shooting Recounts His Friend’s Death in Ferguson, MO

[TheTexan]

I have a hard time believing a police officer shot someone 8 times with no provocation. Especially these days in a racially charged neighborhood. This simply does not pass the logic test, when you consider the potential fallout. I think we need more eyewitness testimony or further corroboration.

Well said. Cops don't just shoot people for no reason.

“They didn’t even want to talk to him,”

I wouldn't either. He's clearly a liar who simply wants to damage the good reputation of police.

 

[AuH20]

I'm assuming you missed a "not" in there.

Mentally unstable?

Possibly...I contend you cannot be a cop and live with yourself without being a little nuts.

But were all those other cops unstable as well?

The ones who freaked out and shot at people during the Dorner fiasco?

The ones who kill people's dogs for barking at them?

The ones who lit up Times Square and started indiscriminately blasting away at crowded city streets?

The ones who executed Miriam Carey in a hail of gunfire?

The ones who choked Eric Garner to death?

Or the ones who beat Kelly Thomas to death?

We have close to a million law enforcement officers in this country. Yes, there are a sizable fraction of bad apples and corruption at the top, but to surmise that your average police officers can execute without provocation is a flimsy assumption at best. Such strategies are simply not conducive to a working relationship with the local communities or municipal governments. A department wants the revenue to flow. They don't want trouble or controversy.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

I have a hard time believing a police officer shot someone 8 times with no provocation. Especially these days in a racially charged neighborhood. This simply does not pass the logic test, when you consider the potential fallout. I think we need more eyewitness testimony or further corroboration.

they got you too...

btw, a cop shot 10 times at a kid who was on the ground(their orders) with hands behind his head killing him with 2 bullets with one passing through his hand into his head.

 

[Anti Federalist]

From the OP:

Johnson says he understands why the tension has boiled over into violence. As the protests seeking justice in Brown’s death have grown larger and more volatile, Johnson says he has joined them.

“There are two crowds. An older crowd that wants justice but there’s anger. Then it’s the younger crowd that wants revenge but there’s anger there, too,” Johnson said. “What do you expect when something is steadily occurring and its hurting the community and nobody is speaking out or doing anything about it. I feel their anger, I feel their disgust.”

 

[phill4paul]

We have close to a million law enforcement officers in this country. Yes, there are a sizable fraction of bad apples and corruption at the top, but to surmise that your average police officers can execute without provocation is a flimsy assumption at best. Such strategies are simply not conducive to a working relationship with the local communities or municipal governments. A department wants the revenue to flow. They don't want trouble or controversy.

Sizable fraction? You haven't been paying attention.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...e-brutality-What-the-police-have-to-say-Graph

 

[TheTexan]

Even if that hood rat's story is true, I just see failure to comply, resisting arrest, assault on an officer, attempted escape... 8 shots may be a bit much but don't forget this was a very dangerous neighborhood he was in, and he was facing multiple possibly armed attackers, not to mention the two possibly armed people in the car. This could have turned out a lot worse.

 

[Anti Federalist]

We have close to a million law enforcement officers in this country. Yes, there are a sizable fraction of bad apples and corruption at the top, but to surmise that your average police officers can execute without provocation is a flimsy assumption at best. Such strategies are simply not conducive to a working relationship with the local communities or municipal governments. A department wants the revenue to flow. They don't want trouble or controversy.

You trollin' me bro?

 

[AuH20]

they got you too...

btw, a cop shot 10 times at a kid who was on the ground(their orders) with hands behind his head killing him with 2 bullets with one passing through his hand into his head.

I've received a nightstick into the back by a group of cops. I've gotten guns drawn on me by police. Police are largely arrogant pricks but I've encountered the inner city criminal element as well. There really isn't an innocent party in all this. They truly deserve each other.

 

[AuH20]

You trollin' me bro?

Law enforcement is a racket. Revenue, pensions, overtime, salary. The path of least resistance is preferred. Sugar goes a lot farther than vinegar. There is no need to create controversies which will threaten the gravy train.

 

[pcosmar]

Internal Affairs is usually very sensitive to incidents of this nature.

BULLSHIT again.

Internal Affairs deals with covering political ass. Only rarely do they find any fault and rarer still is there ever prosecution for crimes.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I've received a nightstick into the back by a group of cops. I've gotten guns drawn on me by police. Police are largely arrogant pricks but I've encountered the inner city criminal element as well. There really isn't an innocent party in all this. They truly deserve each other.

Nobody deserves to be shot eight times by a government enforcer for the "crime" of walking in the street.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Law enforcement is a racket. Revenue, pensions, overtime, salary. The path of least resistance is preferred. Sugar goes a lot farther than vinegar. There is no need to create controversies which will threaten the gravy train.

They are cops...there is no controversy.

What they say is law.

What gives you reason to think that they give a flying fuck about what you or I or anybody else thinks about them?

"Fuck off and move along".

 

[TheTexan]

We have close to a million law enforcement officers in this country. Yes, there are a sizable fraction of bad apples and corruption at the top, but to surmise that your average police officers can execute without provocation is a flimsy assumption at best.

Ya, from an outside perspective one can get the impression that these sorts of incidents happen a lot, but actually in the vast vast majority of cases, policy was followed. Its extraordinarily rare in instances like this that policy wasn't followed, in which case the officer is promptly and correctly disciplined (with punishments usually keeping in mind the officers' many years of honorable service)

 

[Philhelm]

Nobody deserves to be shot eight times by a government enforcer for the "crime" of walking in the street.

Yeah, it's not like the kid was committing a real crime, like backing out of his driveway, angrily carving a watermelon, or being a hostage to armed robbers.

 

[AuH20]

They are cops...there is no controversy.

What they say is law.

What gives you reason to think that they give a flying fuck about what you or I or anybody else thinks about them?

"Fuck off and move along".

Politically, the police union cares. Do you think they wield more leverage in CBA negotiations if they create an unsavory image? Who would that help? Police departments are motivated by one object, money. Everything else is just noise.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Politically, the police union cares. Do you think they wield more leverage in CBA negotiations if they create an unsavory image? Who would that help? Police departments are motivated by one object, money. Everything else is just noise.

I disagree.

I contend that many, many individual cops are motivated by the desire to boss people around and bark orders that require immediate and unquestioning compliance with, failure to do so resulting in dis-proportionate application of extreme violence.

This attitude is magnified and multiplied by the "War on Us" military footing, training and self-reassuring rhetoric that all cops, from local to federal, are adopting.

They really do see themselves as being stuck behind enemy lines, and that each and every one of us is a "hostile" to be lit up at the very first sign of any trouble or back talk.

 

[AuH20]

I disagree.

I contend that many, many individual cops are motivated by the desire to boss people around and bark orders that require immediate and unquestioning compliance with, failure to do so resulting in dis-proportionate application of extreme violence.

Yes, that's true in some instances, but don't discount the material compensation. The entire system is predicated on the ample legacy perks. Cops can retire like kings in many locales around the country. One may not be the brightest bulb in the bunch but can carve out a lucrative criminal justice career if they play their cards right.

 

[Cleaner44]

We have close to a million law enforcement officers in this country. Yes, there are a sizable fraction of bad apples and corruption at the top, but to surmise that your average police officers can execute without provocation is a flimsy assumption at best. Such strategies are simply not conducive to a working relationship with the local communities or municipal governments. A department wants the revenue to flow. They don't want trouble or controversy.

You clearly aren't paying attention.

LAPD Officers Violated Policy in Shooting on Delivery Women During Dorner Manhunt


Police Officers Who Shot at Two Innocent Women 103 Times Won't Be Fired


Police Officers Who Shot at Two Innocent Women 103 Times Won't Be Fired

 

[aGameOfThrones]

I'm sure Patricia cook's killer had his reasons, because it makes no logical sense to shot at someone who is running away from you and not causing you any harm.

I'm sure James T. Williams'(deaf woodcaver) killer had his reasons, because it makes no logical sense to shot at someone who is walking and not doing anything wrong.

 

[Warlord]

FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOV.com) -- A pregnant protester claimed she was maced, thrown to the ground, and held at gunpoint by police during protests and riots in Ferguson.

http://www.kmov.com/special-coverag...ed-and-Threw-Her-To-The-Ground-270840911.html