Explain the coming collapse to me

[GrahamUK]

Will food become scarce?

What you might find in that instance is rationing, if you look at Britain during WWII when we were under forced blockade and food and other basic goods became scarce the government brought in a ration book system. This system was enforced and helped control what little was available and made sure that everyone got the basics needed to get from day to day.. In Britain during this time some enterprising individuals prospered from what was known as the black market.. Of course it was outlawed by government, but that didn't prevent things being bought and sold under shop counters, in back ally ways and pubs etc... Essentially a free market of sorts due to the fact that no duty was paid on these goods

There will be a rise in crime as the things people need to get by become harder and harder to obtain.. How the government respond and what measures they take, through police actions, powers and martial law etc will prolly determine what levels of civil unrest there will be... That being said your government already has the detention camps and enabling act/acts in place to deal with any civil disobedience...

How will you know when this is likely to happen? ... When the government force changes to gun ownership and your asked to turn in fire arms at local police stations?

 

[Danke]

Doubts.
Gruel was made from Hemp Seed.

expect something of the more soylent variety.

At the camp I applied for, we are planning on stocking up on a lot of Tabasco sauce.

 

[MRoCkEd]

Libertarians have been preaching about the "coming collapse" for decades. I wouldn't worry too much.

 

[Machiavelli]

Libertarians have been preaching about the "coming collapse" for decades. I wouldn't worry too much.

True, but many couldnt predict when it would occur, only that someday it would. Don't you believe we are close?

 

[Travlyr]

True, but many couldnt predict when it would occur, only that someday it would. Don't you believe we are close?

That's the thing. The dollar has lost 95% of its value already. People won't believe it until it happens to them. There are a lot of jobless & homeless already, but never mind them they are all drug addicts, alcoholics, and mentally ill. As long as you have a job, a car, and a room... everything is just fine.

 

[RiseAgainst]

Been thinking about the potential of civil unrest during the collapse. The Great Depression experienced little violence. I used to think there would be a civil war, maybe even resulting in the U.S. splitting apart. However, looking at history, widespread violence doesn't seem likely.

Different populations. People were still by the large self reliant in those days. It was a largely independent farming culture that could sustain families, locales and communities if even just mere subsistence farming.

Today? No. Within weeks the food supply is wiped and 90% of the population have NO CLUE what to do...

 

[RiseAgainst]

At the camp I applied for, we are planning on stocking up on a lot of Tabasco sauce.

Can I apply for Stalag 13?

 

[Mark37snj]

America dissolves in bloodshed. The UN proposes a one-world government to restore order in the former United States, and hundreds of thousands of troops from a 50 nation coalition lands. Worst case scenario.

As pessimistic as I am, I really don't see that happening. The world learned once what happens when you awaken a sleeping giant. Americans will be BEYOND pi$$ed. Im not even gona type what will probably happen but it will make all other acts of "liberty", "Justice", and "Revenge" pale in comparison.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

As pessimistic as I am, I really don't see that happening. The world learned once what happens when you awaken a sleeping giant. Americans will be BEYOND pi$$ed. Im not even gona type what will probably happen but it will make all other acts of "liberty", "Justice", and "Revenge" pale in comparison.

That's why I said "worst case scenario." That term generally implies the least-probable of all likely scenarios, and is generally used to illustrate a 'how will this play out' question. It will almost certainly be something short of the illustration I gave, but nevertheless that scenario is possible.

It's like using an ad-ridiculum rhetorical illustration to explain why argument A does not work. The stark contrast makes the rationale easier to see.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Libertarians have been preaching about the "coming collapse" for decades. I wouldn't worry too much.

Hopefully, things will not be too bad.
Still worried...

 

[Mark37snj]

It's like using an ad-ridiculum rhetorical illustration to explain why argument A does not work.

Ok that just made my head hurt.

Do we speak english of this forum anymore.

 

[Indy Vidual]

...
Do we speak english of this forum anymore.

Yes:
If you cannot afford silver or gold, then you are screwed.
Where is the Hope For America! ?

 

[Mark37snj]

Yes:
If you cannot afford silver or gold, then you are screwed.
Where is the Hope For America! ?

I actually been thinking about that. If you can't buy gold or silver what can you do? The best answer I got so far is FOOD, and a wood heater/stove. Also stocking up means you can sell them when the price is high and supply is low kind of like a poor mans silver and gold.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Ok that just made my head hurt.

Do we speak english of this forum anymore.

LOL sorry, I thought that was English, aside from the technical descriptor ad ridiculum.

Reducto ad ridiculum is a logical fallacy in arguments, but unlike what some believe I believe it has a valid place in illustrations. The ad ridiculum goes, "We can't keep taking in stray dogs or we'll end up with five hundred dogs in our little house!" It's a fallacy because nobody is going to collect 500 dogs, but it illustrates the point a lot better than saying 'ten.'

Sure there are people who use ad ridiculum in places they absolutely should not and just make themselves look stupid. For instance "Ron Paul wants Iran to have a nuclear bomb so they can wipe Israel off the map" is an example of ad ridiculum. It's blatantly untrue (hence 'logical fallacy') and a frankly dishonest rhetorical usage. But it is possible to illustrate flaws in an argument by taking it to the extreme to demonstrate where it breaks down without being blatantly dishonest.

Problem is, ad ridiculum is almost always used deceitfully.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I actually been thinking about that. If you can't buy gold or silver what can you do? The best answer I got so far is FOOD, and a wood heater/stove. Also stocking up means you can sell them when the price is high and supply is low kind of like a poor mans silver and gold.

Silver and gold will be almost worthless during the crisis. It's best used as a store of value to be redeemed once the crisis passes. During the crisis your best reserves will be food, toilet paper, cigarettes, cannafor20, coffee, and ammunition.

You have to be careful bartering with ammunition though, you don't want your own rounds coming back at you!

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Simply, you're going to be hungry.
Probably cold when winter comes.

Winter is coming.

 

[Mark37snj]

Silver and gold will be almost worthless during the crisis. It's best used as a store of value to be redeemed once the crisis passes. During the crisis your best reserves will be food, toilet paper, cigarettes, cannafor20, coffee, and ammunition.

You have to be careful bartering with ammunition though, you don't want your own rounds coming back at you!

Yeah my ammo will not be for sale, but TOILET PAPER, now thats something I don't plan on being without, and it will be especially popular with the ladies.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah my ammo will not be for sale, but TOILET PAPER, now thats something I don't plan on being without, and it will be especially popular with the ladies.

Well, the thing about ammunition is it will be obscenely valuable. If you have an honest-to-goodness 'circle of trust' you could make it work. Especially if you have reloading equipment and supplies to make rounds enough to outfit a small army. "Here is a 30 round magazine, I want one whole cleaned and butchered deer carcass." I mean obscenely valuable. If you have 5000 rounds and a bunch of very well-trusted friends, you can have fresh meat for years and never have to pull a single trigger or clean a single gut, and still carry 2000 rounds out the other side of the crisis.

If you are a hermit with nobody you trust, then using ammo to barter is a horrible idea. But if you do have a relatively large circle of trust, there will be nothing more valuable during the crisis than ammunition.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Well, the thing about ammunition is it will be obscenely valuable. If you have an honest-to-goodness 'circle of trust' you could make it work. Especially if you have reloading equipment and supplies to make rounds enough to outfit a small army. "Here is a 30 round magazine, I want one whole cleaned and butchered deer carcass." I mean obscenely valuable. If you have 5000 rounds and a bunch of very well-trusted friends, you can have fresh meat for years and never have to pull a single trigger or clean a single gut, and still carry 2000 rounds out the other side of the crisis.

If you are a hermit with nobody you trust, then using ammo to barter is a horrible idea. But if you do have a relatively large circle of trust, there will be nothing more valuable during the crisis than ammunition.

What do you think the likelihood of a dollar collapse and SHTF scenario happening is?

 

[Mark37snj]

What do you think the likelihood of a dollar collapse and SHTF scenario happening is?

President Ron Paul - 10%

President Obama/Romney/Gingrich/Santorum/Trump - 100%

EDIT: I'm not very good in the financial sector, I keep thinking if maybe we can keep America from collapsing for another 4 years to give us one more shot, but man it's a stretch. Two terms of having a non Ron Paul principled President and we are absolutely toast.