EVs can't work, and are just stepping stones to banning all personal transportation

[acptulsa]

You're actually defending EVs?

Would I be defending EVs if I pointed out that the same engine can be used to power a snowmobile or a motorcycle?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Martin Bormann, Phone Home

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2022/12/09/martin-borman-phone-home/

By
eric -
December 9, 2022

You have probably heard about – and may even know – people who refused to buy VWs and Mercedes-Benzes because of the dealings of those companies with the government of national socialist Germany during the years the national socialists ran Germany. Well, how about cars made under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party?

You know, Teslas.

Word has just leached out that Elon Musk will be importing a Chinese executive to oversee the new Tesla plant in Austin, Texas. His name is Tom Zhu and The Street says the Texas gig may be just a stepping stone to his next gig as the future CEO of Tesla.

Some might say this is comparable to having someone like Martin Bormann – a high official of the national socialist government of Germany – oversee a VW plant in America.

It’s worse, arguably – because there weren’t any VW (or other German) automobile plants in America while the national socialists were in power in Germany. By the time there were, the national socialists hadn’t been in control of Germany for decades. Buying a VW or Benz or Audi years after the national socialists had been removed from power did not empower national socialists.

But what about buying a Tesla built by a company that not only has direct ties to China but has a senior executive who is an emissary-agent of the Chinese Communist Party?

No one becomes a senior executive in China who is not approved by the Chinese Communist Party, which controls everything in China.

Put more bluntly, it means that Zhu does what he is told by the Chinese Communist Party.

And now he will be here in America – in Texas – doing what he is told by the Chinese Communist Party.

Zhu previously oversaw the building of Tesla’s so-called “Supercharger” network of “fast” electric car chargers in Shanghai. His new, possibly stepping-stone gig in Texas will be to “ramp up” the Giga Texas factory where the Tesla Model Y and – supposedly – Cybertruck – will be built.

All of this is interesting on a number of levels, the most obvious being that China is very interested in controlling American transportation. Just as it effectively controls American communications, via the smartphones that are almost all made in China. Ever wonder what the Chinese Communist Party may have had embedded in the phone you’re carrying around? The one that can be used to track and control you – as they do with smartphones in China?

It is established that the app Tik Tok many Americans have on their phones is a Chinese-developed/Chinese-owned data-mining/propaganda-propagation tool that does what the Chinese Communist Party tells it to do.

To America.

Controlling Americans will be greatly facilitated by getting Americans into electric cars – and not just those made by Tesla. All electric cars depend upon components largely made in China and so under the control of the Chinese Communist Party. Which means the Chinese Communist Party has an effective controlling stake in American electric car production, too.

There is a great deal of money involved.

That is the lever the Chinese Communist Party will use to get American car companies to do what the Chinese Communist Party wants them to do – to Americans.

Just as the money controlled by the Chinese Communist Party exerts a controlling influence over American entertainment. Viz, Tom Cruise – a massively rich movie star – who was obliged to kowtow to the Chinese Communist Party by removing the “offensive” patch depicting the flag of Taiwan from his aviator jacket in the recently released sequel to the classic Top Gun movie of the ’80s. The latter was filmed before the Chinese Communist Party gained leverage over Hollywood.

The Chinese Communist Party also wields immense leverage over American professional athletics. Viz, the kowtowing of the National Basketball Association to the Chinese Communist Party’s umbrage over “offensive” Tweets made by former Houston Rockets General Manage Daryl Morey about “standing with Hong Kong.”

Better sit down. Good doggie!

The New York Post – one of the few practitioners of journalism remaining in America – observed the following in an article earlier this year:

“Nets owner Joe Tsai, the executive vice chairman of Chinese firm Alibaba, has 53.5 percent of his wealth tied to China. Other owners named with big business in China included the Heat’s Micky Arison, the Grizzlies’ Robert Pera, the Sixers’ Josh Harris and the Rockets’ Tilman Fertitta. Michael Jordan, who owns the Hornets, also has an enormous brand in China through his affiliation with Nike’s Jordan Brand.”

This is how the Chinese Communist Party has acquired a controlling interest in America. And Tesla is a kind of American subsidiary of the Chinese Communist Party. One that will perhaps shortly be headed in America by a representative of the Chinese Communist Party.

Martin Bormann, phone home.

 

[pcosmar]

You're actually defending EVs?

I am.

Electric Motors are Superior to ICE.

Power storage has improved and continues to do so..

and Hydrogen is just entering the Arena.

 

[pcosmar]

Would I be defending EVs if I pointed out that the same engine can be used to power a snowmobile or a motorcycle?

And Boats and Aircraft.. and Space ships.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...will-eventually-power-interplanetary-missions

 

[A Son of Liberty]

The latter was filmed before the Chinese Communist Party gained leverage over Hollywood.

Yes, back when there was at least a façade of America left.

It's both fascinating and tragic to be living at this time in history. It's probably not unlike living in, say, Dalmatia in about 450 AD... not quite yet affected by the collapsing empire, but certainly the fall is on the horizon.

Can I say "AD"? Or have I offended a blue hair somewhere?

 

[Occam's Banana]

Can I say "AD"? Or have I offended a blue hair somewhere?

I think "CE" - for "Common Era" - is preferred (and likewise, "BCE" for "Before Common Era").

Though you probably shouldn't ask "what is 'common' about it, among whom is it 'common' - and why?".
(Doing so would be uncouth and obnoxious - not to mention almost certainly racist, misogynist, etc.).

 

[cjm]

I think "CE" - for "Common Era" - is preferred (and likewise, "BCE" for "Before Common Era").

Though you probably shouldn't ask "what is 'common' about it, among whom is it 'common' - and why?".
(Doing so would be uncouth and obnoxious - not to mention almost certainly racist, misogynist, etc.).

I'm always going to be a BC/AD guy. If it ruffles the feathers of people who don't like it, I can live with that.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I think "CE" - for "Common Era" - is preferred (and likewise, "BCE" for "Before Common Era").

Though you probably shouldn't ask "what is 'common' about it, among whom is it 'common' - and why?".
(Doing so would be uncouth and obnoxious - not to mention almost certainly racist, misogynist, etc.).

To me, the "CE"/"BCE" usage is just round hole/square peg nonsense - the delineation, regardless of whether the heathens want to admit it, is the birth of Christ. Thus, after that date (however imprecise it may be), is "the year of our Lord" or, "Anno Domini". And so I will will use BC/AD, regardless of whether the blue hairs get "triggered". Let them be triggered. They need to learn to deal with difficulty.

 

[TheCount]

As typical with The Count, he finally gets around to contradicting his original point. (seriously, it's like nailing Jell-O to the wall with this poster)

View it as a contradiction if you want. I don't see it that way. The OP clearly thinks that people will choose not to fill an increased demand for electricity. I say that's not how markets work. You can say "buuuh but government" if you want, as though that somehow changes things. It doesn't.


Imagine if in the 1970s you said "catalytic converters can't work." Your evidence for that was that in 1974 there wasn't enough catalytic converter production in the world to match global vehicle production. And the argument is that because the requirement for cats is driven by government regulation, rather than happening "organically," cat production will never increase to meet the government-driven demand.

 

[Anti Federalist]

View it as a contradiction if you want. I don't see it that way. The OP clearly thinks that people will choose not to fill an increased demand for electricity. I say that's not how markets work. You can say "buuuh but government" if you want, as though that somehow changes things. It doesn't.


Imagine if in the 1970s you said "catalytic converters can't work." Your evidence for that was that in 1974 there wasn't enough catalytic converter production in the world to match global vehicle production. And the argument is that because the requirement for cats is driven by government regulation, rather than happening "organically," cat production will never increase to meet the government-driven demand.

I, and by extension Eric Peters, are not saying demand won't be filled.

We are saying it cannot be filled.

Under the current regulatory and technical environment, 23 million megawatts of extra capacity cannot be created.

Now, it could be, if market forces were allowed to develop and build on existing generating capacity and technology.

But they are not.

Nuclear, natural gas, coal, hydro and oil generating are all, for all intents and purposes banned for new construction.

We're all sitting around arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, debating the merits of new technologies vs old.

That is not what this is all about.

This is deliberate Marxist scarcity being imposed on the people because the powers that be do not want us to have the freedom to move about and travel, where we want and when we want. This is the political framework being constructed here, as it was 30 years in Venezuela. The end result of that deliberate political course of action, to smash functioning markets and institutions, will result in the same thing here, where another of one of the richest nations in the world, in terms on natural resources, will have it's people dumpster diving and slaughtering zoo animals for food.

That is it and that is all this is about.

The second ICE vehicles are as dead and buried as cheap, efficient diesels are now, these same petty tyrants will beging calling for the restriction and banning of EVs, for any number of a thousand reasons.

 

[pcosmar]

View it as a contradiction if you want. I don't see it that way. The OP clearly thinks that people will choose not to fill an increased demand for electricity. I say that's not how markets work. You can say "buuuh but government" if you want, as though that somehow changes things. It doesn't.


Imagine if in the 1970s you said "catalytic converters can't work." Your evidence for that was that in 1974 there wasn't enough catalytic converter production in the world to match global vehicle production. And the argument is that because the requirement for cats is driven by government regulation, rather than happening "organically," cat production will never increase to meet the government-driven demand.

Cat Theft is Organic. Government Mandated Catalytic Converters only Wasted more gasoline.

 

[TheCount]

I, and by extension Eric Peters, are not saying demand won't be filled.

We are saying it cannot be filled.

You have to eliminate all non-renewable energy to come to that conclusion. That is a mistake. Many EVs' power will be sourced from fossil fuel power plants.

Cat Theft is Organic. Government Mandated Catalytic Converters only Wasted more gasoline.

... your point is?

 

[Anti Federalist]

You have to eliminate all non-renewable energy to come to that conclusion. That is a mistake. Many EVs' power will be sourced from fossil fuel power plants.

I have added to my reply.

To repeat: 23 million megawatts of new grid power will not come from wind and solar.

Any other options are banned, by government fiat.

Just on the face of it, it's a ridiculous assumption: the current, or any feasible future grid could not handle 23 million megawatts of added capacity.

Just the visual pollution alone of billions of new utility poles and transformers and wires and insulators to accommodate 480V 3 phase service (which is, along with $20,000, what you need if you are going to have a "fast" charger) to every home is staggering.

 

[pcosmar]

I see the Electric Vehicles preserving Personal Freedom.. No longer tied to a Gas Pump with ever increasing price..

and presently Everyone can be a Power Producer.. and Battery Banks are the way of Storage,, Home or Car..

Fuel cells can recharge,, on the Fly or in Remote locations..

and there are a lot of ways to Produce Electricity.. Wind, Water, Sunlight,, petting a cat,,or a Potato. anyone can produce electricity.

not everyone can produce Gasoline. and I remember the lines at he pumps.

you can produce Hydrogen at home..and it has an efficiency of 97% conversion to Electricity.

 

[pcosmar]

... your point is?

Pointless Government Created Waste and Crime.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I see the Electric Vehicles preserving Personal Freedom.. No longer tied to a Gas Pump with ever increasing price..

and presently Everyone can be a Power Producer.. and Battery Banks are the way of Storage,, Home or Car..

Fuel cells can recharge,, on the Fly or in Remote locations..

and there are a lot of ways to Produce Electricity.. Wind, Water, Sunlight,, petting a cat,,or a Potato. anyone can produce electricity.

not everyone can produce Gasoline. and I remember the lines at he pumps.

Compression ignition engines can burn pretty much any flammable liquid, from corn oil to to old fry grease to peanut oil.

But again, Pete, this is not the issue.

If we allow government to ban ICE cars, by regulatory fiat, they will do the same thing to EVs immediately after that.

 

[pcosmar]

Compression ignition engines can burn pretty much any flammable liquid, from corn oil to to old fry grease to peanut oil.

But again, Pete, this is not the issue.

If we allow government to ban ICE cars, by regulatory fiat, they will do the same thing to EVs immediately after that.

Just a change in Fuel.. Hydrogen CAN run in a common ICE engine.. Conversion is easily possible..

It is just that Hydrogen Fuel Cell over Electric is more efficient,, as yet.

Cummins is developing a Workhorse Hydrogen ICE motor,,and developing Hydrogen Production.

I think Toyota is playing with the idea too.

There are Options,,and the Oil in this country still has many uses,, other than wasteful burning of it.

 

[TheCount]

To repeat: 23 million megawatts of new grid power will not come from wind and solar.

So?

Any other options are banned, by government fiat.

No.

 

[Anti Federalist]

No.

Umm, yes.

Get back to me when you get permitting for a new nuke plant.

I'll wait.

 

[TheCount]

Umm, yes.

Get back to me when you get permitting for a new nuke plant.

I'll wait.

How about this one:

ATLANTA – Georgia Power has completed cold hydro testing for the second of two additional nuclear reactors being built at Plant Vogtle, confirming the reactor’s coolant system functions as designed, the utility announced Wednesday.


The completion of cold hydro testing is required to support the last major test remaining at the facility’s Unit 4, hot functional testing, which Georgia Power expects to begin by the end of the first quarter of 2023.


Meanwhile, the first of the new reactors, Unit 3, is due to go into service early next year.


“The team at the Vogtle 3 & 4 site continues to make important progress as we move closer to bringing online the first new nuclear units to be built in the country in over 30 years,” said Chris Womack, Georgia Power’s chairman, president, and CEO. “These units are a long-term investment for our state and essential to building the future of energy for Georgia.”

https://thecurrentga.org/2022/12/10/georgia-power-completes-key-testing-milestone-at-plant-vogtle/


And there are lots and lots of new natural gas plants under construction.