EVs can't work, and are just stepping stones to banning all personal transportation

[CaptUSA]

Summing it up nicely.

https://twitter.com/MusicScarf/status/1718968681655570847

 

[GomerPile]

Summing it up nicely.

https://twitter.com/MusicScarf/status/1718968681655570847

1) no one is suggesting that ALL trucking can be electrified....logging trucks, come on.

2) Tesla Semi results are pretty outstanding if you read: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-semi-run-on-less-results-bamf-performance/.

3) Electric truck operators are figuring out the charging infrastructure because they can save a bunch of money on fuel and maintenance.

 

[tebowlives]

@Anti Federalist

Check out "Aptera".. Disregard and Ignore the "green" propaganda.. and look at it from an Engineering standpoint.

It is designed with Max Efficiency in mind,,and does 0-60 in 3.6.

https://aptera.us/

Been watching development since it had a small gas motor getting 200 mpg.

It is very close to Production.

Affordable and Built to Last. and a Right to Repair as policy.

“While our delivery timeline is funding dependent, our goal is to begin production by the end of 2023,” Chris Anthony, Co-Founder and Co-CEO said. “Once we meet our fundraising objectives, we will be able to provide a more accurate delivery timeline.”

https://aptera.us/launch-edition-is-here/

The sun can provide 40 miles of cost-free driving each day. The starting price is listed at $25,900.

 

[CaptUSA]

1) no one is suggesting that ALL trucking can be electrified....logging trucks, come on.

2) Tesla Semi results are pretty outstanding if you read: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-semi-run-on-less-results-bamf-performance/.

3) Electric truck operators are figuring out the charging infrastructure because they can save a bunch of money on fuel and maintenance.

Sorry, pal. You don't know what you're talking about. You're drinking the koolaid.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

1) no one is suggesting that ALL trucking can be electrified....logging trucks, come on.

2) Tesla Semi results are pretty outstanding if you read: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-semi-run-on-less-results-bamf-performance/.

3) Electric truck operators are figuring out the charging infrastructure because they can save a bunch of money on fuel and maintenance.

Just curious, what makes a logging trailer particularly unique?

 

[WarriorLiberty]

Have Any of EVs whatever Elon Musk or not being tested for harsher weather conditions yet?


EVs causing fires is not a good sign.

Electric car believed to have caused cargo ship fire

 

[Anti Federalist]

Have Any of EVs whatever Elon Musk or not being tested for harsher weather conditions yet?


EVs causing fires is not a good sign.

Electric car believed to have caused cargo ship fire

Cold weather in North America above 45 degrees latitude, results in about half a battery life.

 

[Anti Federalist]

GM Backtracks on Joe Biden’s Green Energy Agenda After Investing Billions

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2...green-energy-agenda-after-investing-billions/

JOHN BINDER 31 Oct 2023

After investing billions to adhere to President Joe Biden’s green energy agenda, General Motors (GM) is backtracking on all fronts when it comes to Electric Vehicles (EVs).

As GM was the last of the Big Three to strike a tentative agreement with the United Auto Workers (UAW), the automaker’s green energy dreams — championed by the Biden administration — have come crumbling down.

GM CEO Mary Barra, a close ally of Biden’s, has said the automaker will not begin to attempt to produce 400,000 EVs from 2022 through mid-2024 as initially planned. GM is also delaying retooling its plant in Orion Township, Michigan, to build EV pickup trucks.

Days ago, GM had to begin offering owners of its Chevy Bolt about $1,400 to install a diagnostic program to determine if the vehicle’s EV battery is defective. The move came after GM had to recall all of its Chevy Bolts due to the EV battery issues and a class action settlement over the battery problems is anticipated in the near future.

In addition, GM executives are having to delay launching a number of their EV models such as the Chevrolet Equinox EV, the Chevrolet Silverado EV RST, and the GMC Sierra EV Denali.

Those launch delays have coincided with GM and Honda ending their billion-dollar joint venture to produce affordable EVs for Americans as well as markets in South America and China.

The end of that joint venture comes as demand for EVs among Americans has plummeted with the all-electric cars staying on dealership lots for an average of 65 days — way up from last year’s average of about 21 days.

“The American public is not ready for the broad adoption of electric vehicles. There are maybe 10 percent to 12 percent of people who really want an electric vehicle … the remainder still want internal combustion,” former GM executive Bob Lutz said this week.

Aside from potential customers, auto workers at GM have largely been turned off EVs and Biden’s green energy agenda that seeks to foist them on the American public. As part of its deal with GM, the UAW made sure to bring the automaker’s EV plants into its tentative contract so that workers will score higher wages than currently.

GM executives had hoped to keep auto workers at its EV plants out of such contracts. Also significant is the deal’s strike provision which gives GM’s employees the right to strike whenever the automaker closes one of its plants.

While GM stumbles, China is ready to flood the U.S. market with cheap EVs.

Breitbart News Senior Editor-at-Large Rebecca Mansour has long warned that without major investment in domestic manufacturing and auto workers, steep tariffs, and time for American automakers to adjust, China will dominate the EV industry.

“A Biden-led administration’s rapid push towards an all-electric future would rob U.S. auto workers of the advantage of experience and U.S. auto plants of the advantage of previously built manufacturing capacity,” Mansour wrote in October 2020. “… rushed and without tariffs, most of this will likely end up in China — just like all the rest of American manufacturing thanks to decades of failed trade policies like Joe Biden’s.”

China already has a major advantage over the U.S. in that it controls much of the EV lithium-ion battery supply chain including minerals such as nickel, graphite, lithium, and cobalt.

 

[Anti Federalist]

While GM stumbles, China is ready to flood the U.S. market with cheap EVs.

What a fucking travesty, when the goddamn Communist Chinese read the market better than our home grown Marxists.

That is where the market is for EVs: not super luxury, massive shitboxes like EV F150s or HumVees or ludicrous speed buzzing hot rods, for Christ's sake.

Cheap, gay, electric cars for short urban trips, for skinny jean wearing, man bun enthusiasts and their lesbian girlfriends that can be parked anywhere, use almost no power with a top speed of 50 or so, and cost next to nothing.

 

[GomerPile]

No one has determined that a EV battery pack caused this fire....haters want it to be true but there is no proof.

Have Any of EVs whatever Elon Musk or not being tested for harsher weather conditions yet?


EVs causing fires is not a good sign.

Electric car believed to have caused cargo ship fire

 

[GomerPile]

Cold weather in North America above 45 degrees latitude, results in about half a battery life.

NO it does not! It depends on the car and HVAC system in the car...and a million other things. The general answer is 20-30% on a Tesla with a heat pump.

BTW: gas cars also lose range in cold weather...12% is the generally accepted value. Again, this can vary depending on a lot of factors.

 

[Anti Federalist]

NO it does not! It depends on the car and HVAC system in the car...and a million other things. The general answer is 20-30% on a Tesla with a heat pump.

An EV battery must use a percentage of it's own power to maintain it's charge and internal temperature.

These losses can be significant, 20 miles of range or more, every 24 hours the EV is just sitting.

Would you tolerate an ICE that leaked a gallon of fuel onto your garage floor every day you didn't use it?

I live in northern New Hampshire. People around here put their EVs away in the winter, because the losses of batterie life and parasitic draw, especially if stored outside in sub zero weather, are more than significant.

BTW: gas cars also lose range in cold weather...12% is the generally accepted value. Again, this can vary depending on a lot of factors.

That is due to latent energy losses in government mandated "winter blend" fuel.

It has less stored thermal energy than summer fuel.

Any heat engine works more efficiently in cold dense air.

 

[acptulsa]

Any heat engine works more efficiently in cold dense air.

His little sound bite factoid also completely ignores other factors. Such as, cabin heat to keep the windshield clear must come from battery power, reducing range. Heat to keep ice off the windshield is a waste byproduct of a gas engine; it doesn't reduce range one inch.

When electricity creates heat as a waste byproduct, most of it radiates from wires miles away from any windshield.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Any heat engine works more efficiently in cold dense air.

Not just more efficiently, much more powerful too. I really notice my turbodiesel having increased performance when it's close to freezing or below. I would say there's an easy 20% difference between hot summer days and cold winter days.

For me an EV would work, I drive a lot but generally not in stretches more than 100miles, my car isn't sitting around for days so drainage really isn't too much of an issue. Also, charging at work is free.

 

[GomerPile]

I love armchair engineers:

https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/fuel-economy-cold-weather

+ Engine and transmission friction increases in cold temperatures due to cold engine oil and other drive-line fluids.

+ It takes longer for an engine to reach its most fuel-efficient temperature. This affects shorter trips more, since a vehicle spends more of a short trip at less-than-optimal temperatures.

+ Heated seats, window defrosters, and heater fans use additional power.

+ Warming up a vehicle before starting a trip lowers fuel economy—idling gets 0 miles per gallon.

+ Colder air is denser, increasing aerodynamic drag on a vehicle, especially at highway speeds. <<<<THIS IS BIG

+ Tire pressure decreases in colder temperatures, increasing rolling resistance. <<<< Cold tires also have higher rolling resistance

Not just more efficiently, much more powerful too. I really notice my turbodiesel having increased performance when it's close to freezing or below. I would say there's an easy 20% difference between hot summer days and cold winter days.

For me an EV would work, I drive a lot but generally not in stretches more than 100miles, my car isn't sitting around for days so drainage really isn't too much of an issue. Also, charging at work is free.

 

[GomerPile]

1) If you "put away" your EV in winter without it being plugged in you are an idiot. Draining lithium batteries to zero might damage the battery which is the most expensive part in the car.

2) Read my other comment...ICE cars lose range just like EV's but less. Short trips hurt it the worst. Long trips at high speed hurt it quite a lot as well.

I live in northern New Hampshire. People around here put their EVs away in the winter, because the losses of batterie life and parasitic draw, especially if stored outside in sub zero weather, are more than significant.


Any heat engine works more efficiently in cold dense air.

 

[acptulsa]

I love armchair engineers:

https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/fuel-economy-cold-weather

+ Engine and transmission friction increases in cold temperatures due to cold engine oil and other drive-line fluids.

EVs have lubricant too. And those things do warm up.

+ Heated seats, window defrosters, and heater fans use additional power.

How do EVs operate those without power? Or do you imagine no EV has them? Do you really believe any of those accessories puts enough drag on the alternator to affect range as significantly as an electric cabin heater (necessary only in EVs) does?

+ Colder air is denser, increasing aerodynamic drag on a vehicle, especially at highway speeds. <<<<THIS IS BIG

How do EVs avoid that? Do they heat up the air before passing through it? They try with miles and miles of wires radiating heat due to resistance. But if that has an effect, does it warm and thin out only the air EVs pass through?

+ Tire pressure decreases in colder temperatures, increasing rolling resistance. <<<< Cold tires also have higher rolling resistance

Which EVs use solid rubber tires? Or do they heat up their tires through some energy-free method, like the air they shove aside in passing?

Two thirds of the criticisms you just aimed at gas buggies apply equally to zap buggies. <<<<EQUALLY

I love armchair engineers too.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

I love armchair engineers:


https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/fuel-economy-cold-weather

+ Engine and transmission friction increases in cold temperatures due to cold engine oil and other drive-line fluids.

+ It takes longer for an engine to reach its most fuel-efficient temperature. This affects shorter trips more, since a vehicle spends more of a short trip at less-than-optimal temperatures.

+ Heated seats, window defrosters, and heater fans use additional power.

+ Warming up a vehicle before starting a trip lowers fuel economy—idling gets 0 miles per gallon.

+ Colder air is denser, increasing aerodynamic drag on a vehicle, especially at highway speeds. <<<<THIS IS BIG

+ Tire pressure decreases in colder temperatures, increasing rolling resistance. <<<< Cold tires also have higher rolling resistance

Thanks.

Are you actually reading into what I'm writing?

I'm just saying that my car feels a lot more responsive and powerful when it's colder. I keep my tyres up to 2.6 bar in front and 2.5 in the back, year round, once a week. I also go through about 2 sets of tires a year. I do notice more fuel economy in winter, but I cannot put that on anything - there is much more traffic in winter, roads are wetter. Sometimes I may use winter compound. It's all very complicated. And there are so many factors that are hard to take into account. My Volvo has a preheat option, where you can burn diesel to preheat the car, many EV's also offer this... When you have something like that, you're likely to use it, does that make EV's use more power? I know many of my colleagues with EV's use the AC when they're not in the car to pre-cool.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

1) If you "put away" your EV in winter without it being plugged in you are an idiot. Draining lithium batteries to zero might damage the battery which is the most expensive part in the car.

2) Read my other comment...ICE cars lose range just like EV's but less. Short trips hurt it the worst. Long trips at high speed hurt it quite a lot as well.

These cars are being pushed by the Globalists for a reason and not because they care about "US"

Its about limiting US but not them.

 

[acptulsa]

1) If you "put away" your EV in winter without it being plugged in you are an idiot. Draining lithium batteries to zero might damage the battery which is the most expensive part in the car.

Meanwhile putting away your ICE all winter is easy. Draining the tank merely saves the remaining gas from evaporating into the carbon filter and leaving sludge behind. Pour a gallon into it to celebrate the first snowplows of spring and it's likely to get you to the gas station. If they still had hand crank starters, you wouldn't need to spend a watt on them all winter, much less a kilowatt, a gallon, or anything else that could possibly contribute to global warming. Even if the most unreliable part--the battery--is three years old.