Everything I hated about my own party all in one candidate called Trump.

[phill4paul]

Seriously? lol. Because I don't like the fact that our country's laws are being broken as our country is being invaded by a horde of illegal aliens?

If that's your issue, does that mean that you are a commie, or is it a useful idiot?

How's your Mother, by the way?

So grab a gun and get your ass down there on the border. What's stopping you?

 

[jj-]

See, it's this kind of stuff. It just makes you look jealous. Hit him on policy stuff; not something stupid like this.

Many people attacking Trump, klamath included, seem to just envy him or hate success and make up any excuse to criticize him. For example, klamath chastises Trump for draft-dodging, but that is a good thing. It's avoiding slavery. klamath then calls him a chickenhawk, which doesn't fit Trump, who said "What did we get out of Vietnam other than death?", and opposed the Iraq war. That's not a chicken hawk. One might argue on the specific interventions he supports, but he is not mindless like the chickenhawks, who support every war even when there is no national security interest.

For these types of ridiculous accusations, the OP reads more like an anger session to vent emotions than good arguments or even factual statements. He mentioned he was following politics in the 80s already, which is weird because he sounds a lot more immature than a person that old.

 

[klamath]

Seriously? lol. Because I don't like the fact that our country's laws are being broken as our country is being invaded by a horde of illegal aliens?

If that's your issue, does that mean that you are a commie, or is it a useful idiot?

How's your Mother, by the way?

I asked you not to post your trump support in my threads but you just had to keep it up.
Cute one bitch. You know she can't defend herself because she is dead and you know she is dead. You can attack me but start slurring my mother who can't respond will get you into a whole new world. You really want to get ugly.

 

[hells_unicorn]

There is rich kid and a rich brat. Trump is a brat that thinks he is better than everyone else because he was born to wealth and tramples on people that didn't inherit wealth. I have no problem with rich people even inherit riches but when those rich people are crony capitalist they can go to hell. Now get back to your neoconfederate racism.

I'm actually going to have to take issue with your last statement here, primarily because it crosses the line and it's not really true of LE. I actually do harbor some Neo-confederate tendencies myself, not over the issue of slavery, but definitely on the point of state sovereignty, and I don't think that racism really factors into the equation so much as an opposition to run-away federalism in favor of more local government.

Unlike some people who want something done about the immigration issue, I'm not fooled by Trump's fake rhetoric, and I'm definitely not keen on his idiotic economic ideas. This whole notion of trying to saddle corporations with a massive tax punishment for trying to escape our ridiculous corporate income tax is borderline fascistic and anyone who supports Trump should be called to explain the fact that they are okay with turning the whole country into a massive police state just so we can kick out a few million squatters.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Do you believe that our current trading agreements are free trade?

Of course not.

 

[LibertyEagle]

How many people have you given clean drinking water to again?

Yes, he's done that. But, he's done a lot more that is nefarious. I'm just saying... look more into it.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Pretty much the only reason anyone is supporting Trump is because they know he's going to close the border, something people have been screaming for for over 30 years.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'm actually going to have to take issue with your last statement here, primarily because it crosses the line and it's not really true of LE. I actually do harbor some Neo-confederate tendencies myself, not over the issue of slavery, but definitely on the point of state sovereignty, and I don't think that racism really factors into the equation so much as an opposition to run-away federalism in favor of more local government.

Oh wow, is supporting state's rights equate to being a neo-confederate? If it does, I guess that makes me one. Because I damn sure do. Last time I knew, Ron Paul also believed in state's rights.

Unlike some people who want something done about the immigration issue, I'm not fooled by Trump's fake rhetoric, and I'm definitely not keen on his idiotic economic ideas. This whole notion of trying to saddle corporations with a massive tax punishment for trying to escape our ridiculous corporate income tax is borderline fascistic and anyone who supports Trump should be called to explain the fact that they are okay with turning the whole country into a massive police state just so we can kick out a few million squatters.

It ain't a few million; it's closer to 50 million.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I asked you not to post your trump support in my threads but you just had to keep it up.
Cute one bitch. You know she can't defend herself because she is dead and you know she is dead. You can attack me but start slurring my mother who can't respond will get you into a whole new world. You really want to get ugly.

No, I didn't know, Klamath. I haven't been around for awhile. You know that. I considered her a friend. I'm so sorry for your loss. That's terrible.

 

[klamath]

..

 

[RonPaulMall]

The rise of Trump is absolutely fantastic for the Liberty Movement. Trump's success is really going to help us take out John McCain in Arizona, and the voters he is bringing in are going to help Liberty Candidates across the board. As a President, he won't be all that great, but stopping the TPP, ending the migration crisis, and normalizing relations with Russia alone will make him one of the best President's we've had from a Liberty perspective (a low bar I know).

 

[klamath]

No, I didn't know, Klamath. I haven't been around for awhile. You know that. I considered her a friend. I'm so sorry for your loss. That's terrible.

Ok. Thank you.

 

[LibertyEagle]

//

 

[nikcers]

Yes, he's done that. But, he's done a lot more that is nefarious. I'm just saying... look more into it.

Okay I've looked into it, I still don't see an agenda. Maybe you could elaborate a little? I think giving thirsty people clean drinking water is a pretty selfless thing. I could afford to be more charitable. Therefore I am quite biased when I judge people who are more charitable than I am. I can understand not wanting to give someone something that they could earn themselves. These are people who have needs but under no circumstance can they help themselves. This is where I judge myself harshly, so if you could explain what his agenda is maybe I won't feel so guilty.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Oh wow, is supporting state's rights equate to being a neo-confederate? If it does, I guess that makes me one. Because I damn sure do. Last time I knew, Ron Paul also believed in state's rights.

Nope, being opposed to the U.S. Constitution and the United States Union makes one a Neo-Confederate. I believe that this country's problems began when the Articles of Confederation were abandoned. It's not only states rights, it's the belief that the U.S. Federal government, as it has existed, needs to be abolished and country will likely need to be partitioned at some future date.

It ain't a few million; it's closer to 50 million.

A few million, 50 million, long story short, it ain't worth putting a rabid authoritarian with a thin-skin in charge of things. The kind of use of presidential power that Trump is musing over is reminiscent of Oliver Cromwell's protectorate, and I'll be damned if I'm going to live under that kind of a system if I can help it.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Suddenly realized why I dislike Trump so bad. He is everything I was ashamed and didn't like about elements of my own party.

A flip flopper.
A chickenhawk
a croney capitalist
Disgusting attitudes about women
Extreme hatred of Hispanics
Part of the establishment that has led us so wrong
Racist.
Anti free trade.
country club republican
macho man that is really a coward
Slimy slick salesman
inherited wealth rich brat

Democrat.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Maybe but Trump manages to get them all. Carly wasn't a rich brat.

Are you sure about that? IIRC, she comes from relative privilege. Sure she was a secretary, and she plays that for all it's worth, but even privileged kids take low level positions.

 

[ifthenwouldi]

So, if seeing the Republican party shenanigans in 2008 & 2012 weren't enough, doesn't the fact that Trump has the momentum among Republican voters FINALLY dissuade those who want to work "within the system?" How much more proof is needed to realize that the long-term strategy of educating young voters and concentrating on local politics is the right way to go?

 

[nayjevin]

So, if seeing the Republican party shenanigans in 2008 & 2012 weren't enough, doesn't the fact that Trump has the momentum among Republican voters FINALLY dissuade those who want to work "within the system?" How much more proof is needed to realize that the long-term strategy of educating young voters and concentrating on local politics is the right way to go?

It's media momentum, not real momentum. People all over the board are happy to have something in the race that is lowbrow enough they can talk about it. That's Trump's popularity - they've seen him before and he keeps their interest. He has a high percentage of 'would never vote for' and the ones who would will see the other candidate's commercials eventually.

That the media can still get 30% with the right hairdo and 24/7 coverage is no surprise, and has no bearing on what successes have occurred by educating young voters and concentrating on local politics / working 'within the system'.

'They' can keep pulling shenanigans so long as 'they' are the ones in control of that system. Revolution is attending meetings and being truthful and displaying leadership and cooperating. To some extent it takes an inspiring presidential candidate for the motivation to do that, but even lacking that it's a great expiriment, and valuable locally.

 

[klamath]

Are you sure about that? IIRC, she comes from relative privilege. Sure she was a secretary, and she plays that for all it's worth, but even privileged kids take low level positions.

From what I read she was from middle class. being rich privilege is different from being a brat. Draft dodging and getting a second med exam to get disqualified for service says rich brat all over it aside from being a chicken hawk.