Everyone take a deep breath and repeat after me...

[BlackTerrel]

I'll be honest I'm a bit confused by the whole thing.

Whatever you say about Romney he's a sharp guy. How would he not see this as well and work to stop it? It doesn't seem to be top of his mind.

 

[Ivash]

sorry, you are wrong. i was involved in the delegate process in 08. made it to my State Convention. You guys making ill-informed statements are whats going to screw Ron. All these delegate counts you see the media posting up are not reality...its basically a guesstimate that they portray for the ...ill-informed. ...

As i recall, Ron did'nt 'win' my state in the caucus/primary in my state, but when it came time for the conventions, Paul supporters damn near took over the State convention. There is nothing underhanded or slimy about it. Whats slimy and underhanded is what the MEDIA does during the caucus/primary weeks, and people eat it up and take it for truth.

This is old knowledge, and has been explained ad naseum. It's like some of you guys don't have comprehension skills, and watch too much TV.

The Republicans would change their rules before they let something like that happen. They would be forced to. And they would. And there are not enough Ron Paul supporters to stop them.

But it won't happen. With his win in Ohio, Romney is going to be the nominee. *Shrugs*

 

[ericthethe]

Honestly, the best thing that can be done at this point is move on.

Accept that although he gave it a good try, Ron Paul isn't going to get the nomination. Look ahead. Start the campaign for Rand.

RAND PAUL 2016

 

[Vet_from_cali]

Ya'll can speak about delegates all you want, but it wont mean jack if we cant win a state, one...state

A brokered convention ya'll speaking about looks slim to me too, Romney is owning everyone, hes killing it. With this momentum he has, i wouldn't bet on a brokered convention, not a big fan of false hope, just being real. This is more disappointing than 08'. really hoped people woke up with the recession and started paying attention to what the Dr. been speaking about all along.

sheeps gonna sheep. dont know if i can go back into service with this BS, would hate to serve under romney or obama. F that

 

[Vanilluxe]

Honestly, the best thing that can be done at this point is move on.

Accept that although he gave it a good try, Ron Paul isn't going to get the nomination. Look ahead. Start the campaign for Rand.

RAND PAUL 2016

Might be a bit early, the same GOP would trash Rand if they felt he was a threat and they may already picked a winner and a back-up winner for the primary in 2016, it takes years to develop these plans and Mitt Romney sweeping this primary was planned by the party starting 2008.

 

[JK/SEA]

and posts like the few above is why Ron didn't get the nomination last time. Too many yellow bellied cowards who would run from a mosquito.

be gone.

This Patriot is still in the fight, and i don't need children distracting me.

 

[danny987]

Ya'll can speak about delegates all you want, but it wont mean jack if we cant win a state, one...state

Please show me the rule that says that.

 

[Mark37snj]

I'm sorry, I'm all for optimism to an extent.. but this is getting outrageous. It does NOT matter if we get ALL the delegates in ALL the caucus states if Romney carries all the momentum for the next month to the nomination. We can't prove the media's delegate count wrong until it's TOO LATE.

What the MSM has to say about delegates does not matter. The only thing that matters is WHO the delegates (people) are loyal to.

 

[Mark37snj]

We are 4th in delegates.

And that's not media projection. That's what's happening.

We are 4th in bound delegates in the first round. It all depends on getting to the second round. If we get there the delegates will start to become unbound and they get to vote for who THEY want. Good thing alot of delegates are Ron Paul supporters. They may be required to vote for say Romney in the first round. But if it goes to the second and they are unbound they can vote their own mind, say for Paul.

 

[ericthethe]

...it takes years to develop these plans...

That's why I'm saying start now.

 

[enoch150]

Hate to burst your bubble bro...

but in a month or so there are no more caucuses, or proportional states.

Are you nuts? Almost everything from here on out is proportional or can be won at the Congressional District level.

California is winner-take-all, but there are only 10 delegates up for grabs for the winner of the state. There are 159 delegates available from winning the Congressional Districts.

New York is winner-take-all if a candidate gets over 50%, which Romney might, but only 11 delegates are available that way. 81 are divided up based on the Congressional Districts. And the winner of each Congressional District only gets 2, the second place candidate gets 1.

Texas is proportional of the statewide vote for 44 delegates, and also proportional at the Congressional District level with a 20% threshold. 108 delegates are available from Congressional Districts.

Kansas has 25 delegates allocated proportionally by statewide vote with a 20% threshold, and 12 more go to the winner of each Congressional District.

Guam and the Virgin Islands have 9 unbound delegates.

Alabama has 26 allocated proportionally to candidates between 20% and 50% (winner take all over 50%) and and 21 more to the first and second place winners of the Congressional Districts.

Hawaii has 11 allocated proportionally at the state caucus, and another 6 allocated proportionally by the Congressional District caucus.

Mississippi has 25 delegates elected proportionally to the winner of the state with a 15% threshold, and another 12 allocated the same way at the Congressional District level.

Illinois has 69 delegates directly elected by presidential preference, all of which are unbound.

Louisiana has 25 allocated proportionally by the statewide vote, and another 21 unbound delegates.

Maryland has 10 delegates available to the winner of the state, and another 24 available by winning Congressional Districts.

Wisconsin has 15 winner-take-all by the statewide vote, and another 24 available by winning Congressional Districts.

Connecticut has 10 allocated proportionally by statewide vote between 20% and 50% (winner-take-all over 50%), and another 15 go to the winner of the Congressional Districts.

Pennsylvania has 72 unbound delegates.

Rhode Island delegates are allocated proportionally with 15% threshold.

Indiana has 27 delegates winner take all per congressional district, and 19 more unbound.

North Carolina has 52 delegates allocated proportionally.

Arkansas has 21 delegates proportionally allocated by the statewide vote between 15% and 50% (winner take all over 50%) and basically the same at the Congressional district level with another 12 delegates.

Oregon has 10 allocated proportionally at the state level and 15 proportionally at the Congressional District level.

South Dakota is proportional with a 20% threshold.

New Mexico is proportional with a 15% threshold.

Kentucky is proportional with a 15% threshold.

Montana delegates are all unbound.

Puerto Rico, D.C., Delaware, Utah, and New Jersey are the only true winner-take all elections remaining.

 

[cindy25]

But in the case of a brokered convention those delegates would still come unbound, am i wrong? (i very well could be but this is my understanding).

true, but how likely is a brokered convention? shouldn't at least a groundwork for Plan B start now?

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Perhaps we can use our delegate power to put Judge Napolitano or Rand Paul up to be GOP nominee? XD

If the majority disagree with RP so much.. put someone like Nap or Rand up there, where the majority is slightly more accepting towards these individuals.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Puerto Rico, D.C., Delaware, Utah, and New Jersey are the only true winner-take all elections remaining.

Utah is going last... I will be VERY VERY mad if Utah is the deciding factor that get's Romney over the 1140 threshold. Utah will be a land slide victory, the likes the nation has never seen... It would literally, probably be 90% Romney....

 

[klamath]

your ill-informed and you really need to follow the process.

At county i was an automatic county delegate, or PCO. I then managed to get elected to state during my Legislative District caucus at my county convention along with a small army of unknown Paul supporters. We didn't give ourselves away, and i gave a small speech that people liked. Some were Paul supporters and hell, they might have all been Paul supporters, i don't know, because no one wore anything that would give them away. Anyway, along with 2000 plus other Paul delegates we made our way to State where we blew Huck and Romney supporters away. Unfortunatly, McCain had the establishment party firsters in a small majority and we got shut out, and most of my States 40 national delegates went off to national. I believe this was the case in a lot of States.

Sooo...it ain't over till State Conventions, but you MUST..MUST get to county first.

This will be the umpteenth time this has been explained.

I have been following the process a long long time and hyjacking the delegate selection process will not happen when RP has averaged 10% of the vote. Selling this false hope is going to make far too many people crash in a way that will make them give up entirely when they figure out this joke doesn't work.

 

[Darthbrooklyn]

How about us doing our own Reality Check, who needs Ben Swann?

Ron Paul is NOT winning this nomination. Full stop.

He needs to continue on as far as possible reaching as many people as possible with his message until the money runs out. He is going to find it very hard to fundraise after tonight.

This isn't a negative post its a realistic post.

^^ THIS

 

[gte811i]

I have been following the process a long long time and hyjacking the delegate selection process will not happen when RP has averaged 10% of the vote. Selling this false hope is going to make far too many people crash in a way that will make them give up entirely when they figure out this joke doesn't work.

It's not about selling false hope, it's about doing everything humanly possible to change this country for the better.

 

[tbone717]

I have been following the process a long long time and hyjacking the delegate selection process will not happen when RP has averaged 10% of the vote. Selling this false hope is going to make far too many people crash in a way that will make them give up entirely when they figure out this joke doesn't work.

This. It is illogical to think that the other three candidates with all their money and organization are so inept that they cannot have their people running for delegate as well. I looked at the delegate slate for the PA ballot. It is primarily made up of local politicians who will support the presumptive nominee. Very few of the names, in areas that I am familiar with, were names that I did not recognize and could potentially be Paul supporters.

 

[gte811i]

This. It is illogical to think that the other three candidates with all their money and organization are so inept that they cannot have their people running for delegate as well. I looked at the delegate slate for the PA ballot. It is primarily made up of local politicians who will support the presumptive nominee. Very few of the names, in areas that I am familiar with, were names that I did not recognize and could potentially be Paul supporters.

Which is why, we must get involved at the local level. Everyone can complain, but unless individuals actually make a change and get involved so instead of local "establishment" politicians we get liberty local politicians an individual like RP will never have a chance b/c the "establishment" will be against it.

What nobody seems to understand is that we can be the "establishment".

 

[tbone717]

Which is why, we must get involved at the local level. Everyone can complain, but unless individuals actually make a change and get involved so instead of local "establishment" politicians we get liberty local politicians an individual like RP will never have a chance b/c the "establishment" will be against it.

What nobody seems to understand is that we can be the "establishment".

And we are getting there. There are more Libertarian Republicans in office today than there were four years ago. And there will be more after this November. This is a big deal, because the next time the nomination is up for grabs we need the support and endorsements of local and state politicians working for us. Think of how much easier the path to the nomination will be if in 2016 or 2020 for example our guy gets endorsements right out of the gate from a nice amount of Senators and Congressmen, some high level state officials in the early states, and has local politicians on the ballot as delegates.