Evangelical Leaders Meeting in Texas to Decide Who to Support.. (link)

[tbone717]

It is a little sad, how the tone is in this thread from some folks. Christians are not mind-numbed robots blindly following their pastors and voting for whoever he chooses. Please don't characterize it that way. If these pastors had selected Paul for their choice I don't think your tone would be the same.

Pastors make personal endorsements, and sometimes groups of pastors in a regional network may make a blanket endorsement. Churches are not permitted to tell their congregation how to vote and most church members are free thinking individuals who make their own choices. It is unfair, uninformed, and frankly insulting to characterize the people we are trying to get to vote for Paul in this way. There are many Paul supporters who are Christians and active church members. Even though a pastor may support one candidate that does not mean the members of his congregation will do the same, regardless of the candidate.

Frankly, if I was a supporter of another candidate and a Christian, I would be very put off by the way that some people refer to Christians on this forum. Just because someone does not presently support Paul does not necessarily mean they are sheeple, blinded by Fox News or stupid. Building support takes time and there are many folks here who at one time were not hardcore libertarian minded Austrian economists. In fact, I venture to guess there are some here that supported Obama in 08, or Bush in 04 before they dug deeper and gained a true understanding of the message of liberty.

So don't insult people just because they are Christians and haven't yet turned to support Paul in the election. The tone you use against them might be the very thing that prevents them from looking further into his policies.

 

[Paulatized]

Pharisees leading pharisees.

Seriously, how can any Christian choose Santorum over Ron Paul?

Then I guess they have no problem with this statement then:
"On occasion scientists working on the nuclear program in Iran turn up dead. I think that's a wonderful thing, candidly," said Rick Santorum.

Assassination is ok if you label the person an enemy combatant first.

I honestly believe that a true Christian would not buy into that.

 

[RPit]

I really hope this doesn't boost Santorum, we seriously need him to lose! The faster it gets to 2-man race the better.

 

[tbone717]

Then I guess they have no problem with this statement then:
"On occasion scientists working on the nuclear program in Iran turn up dead. I think that's a wonderful thing, candidly," said Rick Santorum.

Assassination is ok if you label the person an enemy combatant first.

I honestly believe that a true Christian would not buy into that.

Stuff like that is probably never even brought up. I have been in meetings like this before and essentially the focus is on whatever social conservative issues are hot at the time. Likely this time it was abortion and gay marriage. Santorum is the most outspoken on these two issues, so that would trump any other policy flaws he may otherwise have. For the pastors that I have known economic & foreign policy issues are way down the list, since they assume that any Republican will be better than a Democrat in regards to economic issues.

 

[dancjm]

“Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God”

Mathew 5:9

 

[Real_CaGeD]

It is Rick Santorum, announced cnn.

I Love thy Lord Jesus Christ, and I understand why I never breach the threshold to enter the "Church" building.

 

[PastaRocket848]

Another example of why organized religion is the very most destructive form of collectivism. It's about power and influence, not feeding poor people or forming a relationship with God. Always has been. The church is the original big government.

 

[tbone717]

Another example of why organized religion is the very most destructive form of collectivism. It's about power and influence, not feeding poor people or forming a relationship with God. Always has been. The church is the original big government.

And again you show how uninformed you are and insult 1000's of Ron Paul voters, and even more people that we are trying to reach who are church going Christians.

 

[PastaRocket848]

And again you show how uninformed you are and insult 1000's of Ron Paul voters, and even more people that we are trying to reach who are church going Christians.

Uninformed? Please... Explain, rather than simply making a blanket "you're wrong!l knee jerk statement with no support.

The fact of the matter is organization around religion is, and always has been, dangerous and destructive. Christ taught peace, yet the leading cause of war in all of human history are churches that co-opted his (very good) message and used it to justify their own destructive ends.

Religion isn't the enemy. The people that organize and co-opt it for their own purposes are. This electioneering is just the latest example.

 

[Real_CaGeD]

One day Man will worship in the Spirit. Those in the Temple know not what they worship.

 

[tbone717]

Uninformed? Please... Explain, rather than simply making a blanket "you're wrong!l knee jerk statement with no support.

The fact of the matter is organization around religion is, and always has been, dangerous and destructive. Christ taught peace, yet the leading cause of war in all of human history are churches that co-opted his (very good) message and used it to justify their own destructive ends.

Religion isn't the enemy. The people that organize and co-opt it for their own purposes are. This electioneering is just the latest example.

Actually scripture clearly spells out the organization of the church, I could go on for 20 pages on this, but reference the Pauline epistles for a start. Here are enough article to keep you busy for a while if you are interested in the organization and government of the church.

http://www.monergism.com/directory/link_category/Ecclesiology/

And again as I said in a prior post, this is simply an organization of pastors endorsing a candidate based on their social-conservative credentials. Santorum has been very outspoken on abortion and gay marriage and these are the two hot button issues for social conservatives.

It is unfair and insulting to bash everyone who chooses to be part of a organized church or denomination simply because you do not like the candidate that a small group of pastors chose to endorse.

 

[James Madison]

Uninformed? Please... Explain, rather than simply making a blanket "you're wrong!l knee jerk statement with no support.

The fact of the matter is organization around religion is, and always has been, dangerous and destructive. Christ taught peace, yet the leading cause of war in all of human history are churches governments that co-opted his (very good) message and used it to justify their own destructive ends.

Religion isn't the enemy. The people that organize and co-opt it for their own purposes are. This electioneering is just the latest example.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[Revolution9]

The current mind of the so called Christian church in this country is on the verge of confirming their psychopathology of human hate.

A sin against the Holy Ghost.

Rev9

 

[green73]

Looks like they are going for Santorum: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...n-conservative-leaders-vote-to-back-santorum/

'Murderers for Jesus' Vote Santorum
Posted on January 14, 2012 by Lew Rockwell
The Christian right war-cabal, meeting in Texas, has told its followers to back chickenhawk-lobbyist Rick Santorum for president. Like their previous call, to back Gardasil Rick, this one will only help sink Santorum.