Establishment in Maine setting up NEW caucuses in smaller towns on NO NOTICE for delegates

[Pauls' Revere]

NOBP!

Is the campaign going to bring to the media attention?

 

[sailingaway]

They don't. And that's the point.

If nobody turns out and they send just a few establishment cronies, they can vote one of their own in as Delegate Chair. With that position, they're in control. They win.

This is what we're up against up here.

Is the campaign caucus page being updated as these rogue caucuses are added? Because I and maybe others have facebook ads directing people to that caucus web page for information.

What else can we do?

 

[Gray Fullbuster]

God forbid people cast their votes!

 

[wgadget]

And who is allowed at these caucuses? Shouldn't everyone have been covered already?

Maybe they had a list of preferred invitees. Maybe they sent out invitations. Who knows...They're crooks, that's for sure.

 

[ChrisDixon]

Is the campaign caucus page being updated as these rogue caucuses are added? Because I and maybe others have facebook ads directing people to that caucus web page for information.

What else can we do?

The GOP website isn't even being updated with this. We can't rely on anyone other than ourselves.

Spread the word far and wide.

 

[sailingaway]

RP should complain BEFORE it's over for four reasons.

1. Prevention. Some people may be hesitant to join the conspiracy if there's a chance it'll become known.
2. Credibility. The complaining afterwords will be dismissed as whining. Also, if there's is a statistical difference in results between established caucus sites and created last minutes sites, it'll add credibility to the complaint if the complaint was made pointing to this sites BEFORE.
3. Exposure.
4. Final and thee most important. It's time to turn around and face the establishment trickery.
Campaign - issue a call to arms. People will support you.

He or the campaign should certainly make a PUBLIC POINT about it, short of whining. Something like they want people to be very aware that some in the state GOP seem to be setting up last minute caucuses, and the campaign is concerned people's votes won't be counted if they end up going to the wrong place, having checked where their caucus was earlier this week..... and be very concerned about notice and time for people to find out about it. That is different from saying 'you're screwing us!'. It is saying 'this is really amazing lack of notice and we are concerned'.

 

[wgadget]

Maybe the crooks' plan is to throw away the entire state of Maine because of this.

 

[wgadget]

He or the campaign should certainly make a PUBLIC POINT about it, short of whining. Something like they want people to be very aware that some in the state GOP seem to be setting up last minute caucuses, and the campaign is concerned people's votes won't be counted if they end up going to the wrong place, having checked where their caucus was earlier this week..... and be very concerned about notice and time for people to find out about it. That is different from saying 'you're screwing us!'. It is saying 'this is really amazing lack of notice and we are concerned'.

Yeah, what time do these caucuses start? 9am? I bet they lock the doors at 9:01am...

 

[sailingaway]

The GOP website isn't even being updated with this. We can't rely on anyone other than ourselves.

Spread the word far and wide.

Yeah, but we have to be able to send people somewhere for an updated list. I guess we can say 'be sure to check JUST before leaving the house to caucus where you should go' but I'd like to link something with latest caucus information.

 

[sailingaway]

Yeah, what time do these caucuses start? 9am? I bet they lock the doors at 9:01am...

In Nevada districts changed two days before the caucuses and that is pretty much what happened. Many were turned away.

 

[wgadget]

In Nevada districts changed two days before the caucuses and that is pretty much what happened. Many were turned away.

That is foul play, IMO.

 

[bobburn]

What is the notice requirement? I'm just glancing at this so might not be looking in the right or only place but I'm seeing:'


http://www.mainegop.com/about-2/rules-and-by-laws/

What does the state law say about notice? I've rarely seen a notice requirement that was less than 3 days, but maybe it is allowed to be less if it is the same day as a statewide caucus.

I also see the municipality caucus can only be 'official' once recognized by the head of the state GOP, so what, if we did the same thing and signed municipalities up they could just say 'we are only going to recognize these over here' because we prefer their candidate? Or they 'see how the vote goes' and then decide whether to count it? What a parody of representation....

Maine's open meetings Act is terrible:

"Public notice shall be given for all public proceedings as defined in section 402, if these proceedings are a meeting of a body or agency consisting of 3 or more persons. This notice shall be given in ample time to allow public attendance and shall be disseminated in a manner reasonably calculated to notify the general public in the jurisdiction served by the body or agency concerned. In the event of an emergency meeting, local representatives of the media shall be notified of the meeting, whenever practical, the notification to include time and location, by the same or faster means used to notify the members of the agency conducting the public proceeding."

Me. Rev. Stat. tit. 1, § 406

The rule is incredibly flexible, and without further research into the cases interpreting this statute, I don't know what a court has held to be 'ample time' or what is a 'manner reasonably calculated' to notify the public. I'll do my best to look into this when I have the time. I've got some other pressing matters to attend to right now (unfortunately).

 

[sailingaway]

They added two more for tomorrow that were announced last night...

where are they 'announced' so we can track this?

 

[wgadget]

We have devolved into such a plutocracy. It's sickening.

 

[sailingaway]

Maine's open meetings Act is terrible:

"Public notice shall be given for all public proceedings as defined in section 402, if these proceedings are a meeting of a body or agency consisting of 3 or more persons. This notice shall be given in ample time to allow public attendance and shall be disseminated in a manner reasonably calculated to notify the general public in the jurisdiction served by the body or agency concerned. In the event of an emergency meeting, local representatives of the media shall be notified of the meeting, whenever practical, the notification to include time and location, by the same or faster means used to notify the members of the agency conducting the public proceeding."

Me. Rev. Stat. tit. 1, § 406

The rule is incredibly flexible, and without further research into the cases interpreting this statute, I don't know what a court has held to be 'ample time' or what is a 'manner reasonably calculated' to notify the public. I'll do my best to look into this when I have the time. I've got some other pressing matters to attend to right now (unfortunately).

thanks. merge that with the deference for a party 'communicating to its own membership' and we have to assume the worst interpretation

We need to maintain a log of the various tricks here, to demonstrate at the end that the two party system is not representative of the country and creates barriers to entry by new parties unacceptable in a representative republic. We can add the ones from last time around. It is not as good as a win, but long term if we don't win, unshackling the country from this lack of representation of the people is a worthy goal. Ron's profile is much higher this time, and a lot more people are going to care that a candidate with his level of popular backing can't get fair treatment.

 

[bbartlog]

---Why would he not ask you if you were a Ron Paul supporter first?
---Why would he stare at the ground for an entire minute after he saw your car with bumper stickers? That seems odd
---How did he randomly look out the windows and right away see your brother car? I mean there must be dozens of cars there.

2 things are happening here:

1. The guy was fucking with your brother or trying to spread disinfo to get you all worried about this. If that was the case, it worked!

Or

2. Your brother is lying to you bro

You're nitpicking. Yes, the conversation and events may not have happened *exactly* as transcribed there, word for word; it's hardly like the guy's brother has an eidetic memory. Thus the dialogue is just an attempt to reconstruct what happened while communicating the gist, and if it seems 'off' it's because it's second-hand and the OP isn't David Mamet. Doesn't mean that what is described (about the new caucuses) isn't happening.

 

[ChrisDixon]

Yeah, what time do these caucuses start? 9am? I bet they lock the doors at 9:01am...

Bring it. I've been telling supporters in my county to show up an hour early.

 

[doctorfunk]

I think this could be brought to people's attention in a very impartial sort of way. Saying that's it's an attack on the will of the voters and the democratic process would be more effective than saying they're out to screw RP. In any case, we also really need to focus on his overall support and with enough support it would be much more harder for them to pull these tricks.

 

[affa]

Confirmation bias. Circumstantial evidence at best.

And anyway, can't we just win in the new places, also? If we can dominate everywhere else, surely we can win more delegates, or at least limit the number establishment delegates in the new caucuses.

The point is they set it up in areas where they know they can quickly get people to show up. We're left to scramble.

 

[sailingaway]

The point is they set it up in areas where they know they can quickly get people to show up. We're left to scramble.

of course.