Enoch – A Man Who Did Not Die - The Man Who Walked with God

I did a little looking into the Sumerian tablets thing last summer. What I learned, I am sure, just barely scratched the surface. But, if memory serves, Enki and Enlil are brothers.
Enki is acknowledged to be Satan and Enlil is Yahweh. I do believe that they had their characters totally backa$$wards and were claiming that Enki is the good guy and that Enlil is the mean old evil one.
What that showed me was that the story completely accomplishes Satan's goal. It gets people to outwardly worship him, even using the correct name!

Anything that accomplishes Satan's goal and discredits God's word is immediately suspect to me. ;)
 
erowe1 said:
We have a lot of Jesus' actual words. We also have the movement that he founded, called Christianity, and writings from his immediate disciples. We know where and when he lived, and who his ideological opponents were, and on what matters they differed. These matters did not involve anything that could be construed as his having been part of the Enochic stream of Judaism. There were Jews at the time of Jesus who did revere some Enochic books, such as those at Qumran, whence we have the Dead Sea Scrolls. And the disputes that they had with the Pharisees and the Temple authorities were in totally different areas than the disputes Jesus had with them.
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Actually no, we don't, considering he's arguably the most influential human to ever walk the planet. Add up all the red words in a 'red letter' bible - maybe 10-15 pages? For a guy that was going around healing lepers and raising people from the dead? Where's the news accounts? Where are the biographies?

Doesn't make sense.
 
Miss Annie said:
I did a little looking into the Sumerian tablets thing last summer. What I learned, I am sure, just barely scratched the surface.
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I never studied them. Mine is only cursory knowledge. I know of them.
And they are worth the historical record,, but the Sumerians were ungodly folks.

Abram was from there,, and was told to get out of that land. I would not take any of their "religion" seriously..but as simply a historical view of the time.
 
pcosmar said:
I never studied them. Mine is only cursory knowledge. I know of them.
And they are worth the historical record,, but the Sumerians were ungodly folks.

Abram was from there,, and was told to get out of that land. I would not take any of their "religion" seriously..but as simply a historical view of the time.
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Well according to the book they certainly were un-Jewish godly.........or were they? Hmmmmm. :confused:
 
The Book of Enoch and the Church Coverup

excerpted from alienresistance.org

"At that time I beheld the Ancient of Days,
while he sat upon the throne of his glory, while the book of the living
was opened in his presence, and while all the powers which were above the heavens stood around and before him." Book of Enoch 47:3 (Ethiopic, Artisan pub)

Since it's English translation in the 1800's from texts found in Ethiopia in 1768, The Book of Enoch (known today as 1st Enoch) has made quite a stir in academic circles. 1 Enoch has been authenticated as existing and in wide use before the church age (most scholars now date it at 200 BC). Multiple copies were discovered in 1948 in the Dead Sea Scrolls. This of course has caused many to wonder why it is not included in modern Bibles...

"Thou has seen what Azazyel has done, how he has taught every species of iniquity upon the earth... Samyaza also has taught sorcery... They have gone together to the daughters of men, have lain with them... The women likewise have brought forth giants..."
Enoch 9:5-8

Particular to this site, parts of The Book of Enoch tell the story of wicked angels who abducted and mated with human women, resulting in the hybrid race known throughout secular and Biblical history as the Nephilim (giants, KJV).

While this account encompasses only the first four verses of Genesis 6 (but see also Genesis 3:15, 2 Peter 2:4-6, Jude 6-7), Enoch 1 relates this story in great detail. It lists the names of 18 "prefect" angels - of 200 - who committed this sin. According to the text, these angels also taught mankind the "making of swords and knives, shields and breastplates (metallurgy); ... magical medicine, dividing of roots (medicinal and hallucinogenic use); incantations, astrology, the seeing of the stars, the course of the moon, as well as the deception of man."

By Noah's time, "The earth also was corrupt (wasting - KJV notation) before God, and the earth was filled with violence... all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth." Gen 6:10-11. Afraid of the consequences, these angels appeal to Enoch to intercede with God on their behalf; God instead uses Enoch to deliver a message of judgment against them. Aside from the "taking of wives," God states that he would not forgive them for teaching mankind magical arts and warlike ways.

As summarized by Pastor Chris Ward:

"According to the Book of Enoch (Not a Canonical Text), God judged the angels for producing the Nephilim. God decreed that the fallen angels (Watchers) were to be cast into Tartarus. The Nephilim were also judged and it was determined that their bodies were to return to the earth in peace but their souls were doomed to wander the earth forever (as) wandering spirits..." (Visit Pastor Chris's Enoch page which reprints this dialogue between God and Enoch, and The Origin of Demons for more.)

The increasing acceptance and popularization of this important book among theologians helps cast light on the extra-terrestrial hypothesis (ETH) in general. Enoch is an ancient writing which states that angels (not true space aliens, as stated by many UFO cults, and popular modern authors Erich Von Daniken and Zechariah Sitchin) visited ancient Earth and polluted mankind's DNA. While this case can easily be made solely from the canonized Bible (see Relevant Bible Verses), Enoch is yet another witness against these bad interpretations of Earth's predelulvian era (i.e., before the flood of Genesis 6). The fact that they also gave mankind technology which supposedly "advanced our race" (but which we actually used to destroy each other, and to incur God's judgment), lends itself to a more sinister understanding of today's UFO phenomenon...
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http://www.sherryshriner.com/church-coverup.htm
 
Jamesiv1 said:
Actually no, we don't, considering he's arguably the most influential human to ever walk the planet. Add up all the red words in a 'red letter' bible - maybe 10-15 pages? For a guy that was going around healing lepers and raising people from the dead? Where's the news accounts? Where are the biographies?

Doesn't make sense.
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I share that attitude. Absolutely NOTHING Bible-worthy between the ages from 12 - 30? Color me skeptical. You are correct. Doesn't make sense.

 
Did Jesus Confirm The Book of Enoch?

The book of Enoch is a highly controversial book within Christianity. There are those that view it as history, those that view it as heresy, and those that view it as inspired canon. The main reason for the rejection of Enoch is due to its controversial teachings about angels descending to have sex with human women in the days of Noah. Part of the problem is that some of the things said in Enoch cannot be reconciled with the Bible, or can they?

Demons According To Enoch

Much of the belief surrounding the origin of demons being tied to the nephilim that were killed in the flood, comes from the following verses in the book of Enoch:

“And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.” – Enoch 15:8-12

The problem with accepting Enoch, for many Christians, is that it does not appear with the other 66 books referred to as canon. However, failure to appear as canon in the English Bible doesn’t mean that its not useful for historical context. After all, Montezuma, Columbus, and the great majority of world history does not appear in the Bible.

According to Enoch, the demons are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim that died in the flood. Being part human and part angel, they became something different and evil. The Bible does not say this directly, but there are two pieces of evidence contained within the Bible which may validate the verses in Enoch.

Demons According To Moses

Before we get to Jesus, let’s look at a statement made by Moses concerning the devils (demons).
“They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.” – Deuteronomy 32:17

The word for “devils” used in the verse is the word Shed, which is what we would refer to as a demon in modern English. Why did Moses refer to the demons as “new gods”? He goes on to use the word “elohim” which is translated as “gods”. Moses uses two words used specifically for real spirit beings, which are shed and elohim. He was not simply referencing idols. If the demons are new and came newly up, what was Moses talking about?

¦“New gods that came newly up.”
There are two different words used here for the word “new”.
¦Occurrence #1: Chadash (Strong’s #2319) – New, fresh, new thing.
¦Occurrence #2: Qarob (Strongs #7138) – Shortly, lately, near of kin.

This is where it gets interesting. These were new beings that had recently come to exist. Even more interesting is the second use which could be translated as “near of kin”. If the demons did indeed come from the dead nephilim, they would be near of kin in the sense that they were part human. This brings us to a statement made by Jesus.

Demons According To Jesus

Jesus seems to choose very specific words when speaking. One such example comes via a conversation concerning unclean spirits (demons).

“When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.” – Matthew 12:43

The words we are going to look at are “unclean spirit”.

¦Unclean: akathartos (Strong’s #169) – wrong mix, impure, unclean [The antonym is kathairo (Strong’s #2508) which means “free from wrong mixture”]
¦Spirit: pneuma (Strong’s #4151) – spirit, breath, wind
There are several important points that come to mind:

¦Angels are never referred to as unclean.
¦Jesus never refers to angels as demons.
¦Jesus never refers to demons as angels.

There seems to be a very specific reason that Jesus chose to use the words He did, in reference to demons, but what was that reason?

The Conclusion

Moses seems to support the idea that the demons were something new, just as the book of Enoch claims. According to Enoch, there were no evil spirits roaming the earth before the death of the Nephilim. Moses also seems to confirm that these spirits are part human by using the word qarob, which means “near of kin”. Finally Jesus seems to confirm the hybrid origin of demons by referring to them as a wrong mixture. Those that have studied the nephilim theory know that it was the wrongful mixing of angels with humans that was responsible for the nephilim in the first place and a large part of the reason for the flood. In my opinion, both Moses and Jesus confirm at least this section of the Book of Enoch, which points to the origin of demons from the dead nephilim.
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http://ministerfortson.com/?p=3785
 
pcosmar said:
I never studied them. Mine is only cursory knowledge. I know of them.
And they are worth the historical record,, but the Sumerians were ungodly folks.

Abram was from there,, and was told to get out of that land. I would not take any of their "religion" seriously..but as simply a historical view of the time.
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Pete, I do believe that the book of Enoch has value and I do believe that the Nephilim were the fallen angels and their offspring.
But, I am not so sure that I would even give the Sumerian tablets "historical kudos", as we are in times of such GREAT deception.
 
Miss Annie said:
Pete, I do believe that the book of Enoch has value and I do believe that the Nephilim were the fallen angels and their offspring.
But, I am not so sure that I would even give the Sumerian tablets "historical kudos", as we are in times of such GREAT deception.
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Only historically.. It is speculated that Gilgamesh and Nimrod are one and the same. And if not the same person,, they were contemporaries and it would give an expansive highlight to those early times.

I am inclined to believe they were one and the same.

I will have to read the "Epic" again, it has been a long time.
 
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pcosmar said:
Only historically.. It is speculated that Gilgamesh and Nimrod are one and the same. And in not the same person,,they were contemporaries and it would give an expansive highlight to those early times.

I am inclined to believe they were one and the same.
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They very well could be! I have not studied much into the historical aspects of it.
There is a connection between Nimrod and the Anti Christ though. I don't remember where it is ( I can look it up later ), but Nimrod is one of the names used for the Anti Christ in prophecy.
 
Miss Annie said:
They very well could be! I have not studied much into the historical aspects of it.
There is a connection between Nimrod and the Anti Christ though. I don't remember where it is ( I can look it up later ), but Nimrod is one of the names used for the Anti Christ in prophecy.
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That would be a logical connection,, even if not directly stated in scripture.

Nimrod was opposed to God.. and set the first One World Government.

He would be a logical arch-type.
 
pcosmar said:
That would be a logical connection,, even if not directly stated in scripture.

Nimrod was opposed to God.. and set the first One World Government.

He would be a logical arch-type.
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Nimrod did not succeed at creating the One World Government in Genesis as God came and confused their languages.
It is my opinion that the Anti Christ will not succeed at creating the one world government either. Oh he will try...... But I have found scriptures that are contrary to this concept.

Ezekiel 28 is prophetic about the Anti Christ.
Eze 28:1 ¶ The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
Eze 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
Eze 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
Eze 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
Eze 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
Eze 28:7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
Eze 28:8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

If in verse 7, as God says, He will bring the terrible (terrible in battle) of nations against the Anti Christ - then there is not a one world government.

Again, here is another verse....
Daniel 11 is also about the Anti Christ and verse 30 states this:
Da 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

We know that the Anti Christ will be ruling from Turkey, because Jesus said so.
The ships of Chittim would be countries from the Mediterranean from Cyprus to Spain.
Turkey definitely has a most strong military, but Italy's fleet is unmatched.
In the verse above, it states that the ships of Chittim actually drive him back in retreat.
 
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