Gary Johnson Embarrassing Gary Johnson Political Ad

[TheTexan]

I think it's a real shame for the Liberty movement to have a thread here where the public keeps seeing "Embarrassing Gary Johnson..." for our only realistic hope this election.

Do you guys want liberty, or just Ron Paul?

I think it's a real shame that Ron Paul has shown us a path of integrity, courage, and conviction, and people want to just throw that away by supporting GJ

 

[cheapseats]

I think it's a real shame that Ron Paul has shown us a path of integrity, courage, and conviction, and people want to just throw that away by supporting GJ

I think it's a real shame that Ron Paul persuaded his Followers about a path of integrity, courage, and conviction...and then LAID UP in his third and final bid for the presidency, despite aggressive IN IT TO WIN IT fundraising.

 

[cheapseats]

You speak of economic urgency, yet you support a candidate who represents the status quo in monetary policy

As opposed to WHOM, Barack Obama or Mitt Romney?

Gary Johnson is EMPIRICALLY better for America's erstwhile Middle Class than EITHER Obama or Romney.

Is it not true that you are an Anarchist who came in from the cold only because Ron Paul is so very [everything wonderful hyperbole], but that you fundamentally reject ALL government and ALL candidates?

 

[TheTexan]

As opposed to WHOM, Barack Obama or Mitt Romney?

Gary Johnson is EMPIRICALLY better for America's erstwhile Middle Class than EITHER Obama or Romney.

Is GJ better? Sure. Is GJ good? No.

Is it not true that you are an Anarchist who came in from the cold only because Ron Paul is so very [everything wonderful hyperbole], but that you fundamentally reject ALL government and ALL candidates?

Actually the reverse is true. I'm an anarchist because of Ron Paul. And I don't judge minarchists. As long as their goal is maximizing freedom, we're on the same side.

I'll support any candidate who legitimately wants to end the fed (through competing currencies), and I'll support any candidate who legitimately seeks to secede from this nation.

These are the two issues that are at the root of all our problems. Without addressing either of these root problems, fixing any other problem is simply rearranging deck chairs.

Gary Johnson does not legitimately want to end the fed, and therefore I do not support him.

 

[cheapseats]

Is GJ better? Sure.

AMEN.

Is GJ good? No.

I think we can leave GOOD out of Politics...out of AMERICAN Politics, in any case.

Gary Johnson does not legitimately want to end the fed, and therefore I do not support him.

If Gary Johnson would "only" replicate his performance in New Mexico (minus the privatized prisons)...aggressive and fearless veto of spending bills, sure and steadfast wresting of balanced budgets from "big eyes" and slim wallets...would you frame that as some kind of ideological failure?

I cannot imagine ANY candidate playing to or banking on the ANARCHIST vote.

 

[TheTexan]

AMEN.





I think we can leave GOOD out of Politics...out of AMERICAN Politics, in any case.





If Gary Johnson would "only" replicate his performance in New Mexico (minus the privatized prisons)...aggressive and fearless veto of spending bills, sure and steadfast wresting of balanced budgets from "big eyes" and slim wallets...would you frame that as some kind of ideological failure?

I cannot imagine ANY candidate playing to or banking on the ANARCHIST vote.

Are you acknowledging then that GJ does not legitimately want to end the fed through competing currencies?

 

[cheapseats]

Are you acknowledging then that GJ does not legitimately want to end the fed through competing currencies?

If A, then R?

Another "Critical Thinker" on this board suggested that a different User on a different board might very well be me...on the compelling evidence that the other User on a different board was using lots of capital letters.

 

[MrWalker]

Why in God's name are you still here?

Beats me.

I have never seen anyone argue so ferociously and fanatically, for a candidate that he dosent even like - ever. Unless hes being paid by the Gary Johnson campaign to do this....

 

[cheapseats]

Why in God's name are you still here?

Why do you ask? Must I show MY PAPERS?

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Building up Johnson is worth it, in my opinion. Anything to make sure Romney doesn't get elected.

We're dead on arrival in 2016 if Romney is in the White House. Rand will never challenge a sitting GOP President.

 

[anaconda]

Gary Johnson does not legitimately want to end the fed, and therefore I do not support him.

Gary says that in lieu of the Fed, Congress would simply direct the treasury to print money. Also, the first thing he says in this video is that he is in favor of ending the Fed.

 

[TheTexan]

Gary says that in lieu of the Fed, Congress would simply direct the treasury to print money. Also, the first thing he says in this video is that he is in favor of ending the Fed.

Anaconda I expect better from you. Shutting the Fed down, and givings its power to Congress is not "Ending the Fed." That's called "Moving the Fed."

As long as the Treasury/Fed has printing presses, they will use it. GJ is living in la-la land if he thinks just by balancing the budget Congress won't be tempted any longer to use free money anymore? Ha! Ya, ok.

Competing currencies, on the other hand, saps the Federal Reserve's power, until it eventually dies. They can keep printing money all day long just as they have been, and it doesn't matter. My money would be backed by gold, not FRN's. The big investment companies, their money would be backed by gold, not FRN's. When given the choice between funny money and hard sound money, any rational person will choose the hard money every time. The FRN would eventually just disappear into irrelevance, and eventually die. THAT is "Ending the Fed."

Returning to the gold standard (a full gold standard, not that partial bretton woods bs) is also a good solution, but is only a temporary solution. It would only be temporary, because the government would quickly seek a partial standard the next time there was any kind of economic crisis, and they'd get it. Then shortly after, they'd leave the gold standard again. No reason to repeat history.

Competing currencies is the only known solution to this problem. And the problem is of a magnitude that GJ does not even come close to comprehending. He has shown evidence of this time and time again, but he proved it by blaming gold for the failure of the bretton woods "gold standard." I do not expect him to admit this in a straight answer, but he has proven he is against the gold standard, and therefore hard money, and is therefore a TRAITOR to our cause.

Funny money is the reason for our endless wars, endless spending, big government, gradual loss of liberties, all of it - everything - and Gary Johnson, no matter how well intentioned he may be, does not grasp the scope nor the magnitude of this issue, and isn't even close to having any solutions to this problem. How can he have solutions to the problem, when it's clear he doesn't understand the problem itself?

 

[cheapseats]

...Funny money is the reason for our endless wars, endless spending, big government, gradual loss of liberties, all of it - everything -

FALSE.

Funny Money is a MEANS to sundry ENDS. It is NOT the "reason for" but the conscienceless rationalizing methodology for "endless wars, endless spending, big government, gradual loss of liberties, all of it - everything."

You are MYOPIC.

As for your "Wall of Shame", I will make YOU the Poster Putz for girlie guys who are compelled to broadcast their FEELINGS.

 

[TheTexan]

FALSE.

Funny Money is a MEANS to sundry ENDS. It is NOT the "reason for" but the conscienceless rationalizing methodology for "endless wars, endless spending, big government, gradual loss of liberties, all of it - everything."

Money is power. You can't fix evil, but you sure can take away the means of doing evil.

 

[cheapseats]

If A, then R?

Another "Critical Thinker" on this board suggested that a different User on a different board might very well be me...on the compelling evidence that the other User on a different board was using lots of capital letters.

bxm042 had no cause to take this exchange to Private Message. Since he repays the courtesy of my replies by adding me to his JUVENILE "Wall of Shame", surely there is no reason for privacy or discretion.

If A, then R?

Another "Critical Thinker" on this board suggested that a different User on a different board might very well be me...on the compelling evidence that the other User on a different board was using lots of capital letters.

what u talkin bout

PM response:

Originally Posted by cheapseats
Check out the brief but gloriously derailing history of JohnAshman to verify that perfectly intelligent, profoundly THEORETICAL people are easily and repeatedly sucked into unproductive circle-jerks that are extremely long on perfect-world Theory and extremely short on reality-based Tenability.

Glomming onto JOHNSON IS BETTER THAN OBAMA OR ROMNEY...in the spirit of KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID...does not imply anything beyond THE ELECTION IS IN NOVEMBER, GARY JOHNSON IS ON THE BALLOT & SOMETHING BIG NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN 2012. I am not an End Timer (beyond acute awareness of our individual mortality), but the Mayans did not simply run out of stone and implements with which to inscribe on them.

With every passing week (note the Senate lately shelved Obamacare), it becomes more like trying to put toothpaste back into the tube.

Originally Posted by bxm042
Fair enough. But just to clarify, I can put you down for a 'no' on the question of whether or not GJ advocates for an end to the fed through competing currencies?

Originally Posted by cheapseats
Theoretically, you can do as you please. Whether you are CORRECT is another matter.

Why not put the question to GARY JOHNSON, rather than do the customary I THINK SO-&-SO THINKS thing?

I come to Gary Johnson THE SAME WAY I came to Ron Paul, deeming him a lesser-of-evils counterpunch to International Elite...which includes the mighty and mysterious Central Bankers, as you know.

Peace.

I very much hope the Republican Party retains the loyalty of myopic girlie-guy Theorists who feel compelled to broadcast their feelings.

 

[TheTexan]

Cheapseats you made it clear that you don't know if GJ wants to end the fed, and you don't care if GJ wants to end the fed. That's willful ignorance in my book, which is how you earned your spot in my list.

 

[cheapseats]

Cheapseats you made it clear that you don't know if GJ wants to end the fed, and you don't care if GJ wants to end the fed. That's willful ignorance in my book, which is how you earned your spot in my list.

I VERY much hope the Republican Party retains the loyalty of myopic girlie-guy Theorists who feel compelled to broadcast their feelings.

 

[TheTexan]

I VERY much hope the Republican Party retains the loyalty of myopic girlie-guy Theorists who feel compelled to broadcast their feelings.

Why are you here? You said it yourself you consider Ron Paul to be a lesser of two evils.

 

[jay_dub]

On the idea of competing currencies, we are already seeing that in the growth of SDRs. We will not see a competing currency originating in the US as it would threaten the USD's status as world reserve currency. SDRs are international so there's not much that can be done about that.

Our huge debt, which has financed wars and assaults on our domestic liberties, has only been possible by the USD's status as world's reserve. Sad to say, but losing that status would be the best thing for us in the long run if we can't balance our budget now. To lose that status would devalue the USD 20-30% by most estimates, but the alternative if we reach the tipping point of how much debt we can carry will be much worse.

For liberty's sake and our financial solvency, the best course is a balanced budget. That is the one policy on which practicality and ideology converge.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Why are you here? You said it yourself you consider Ron Paul to be a lesser of two evils.

Because this person's favorite form of activism is trolling an RP board in hopes of persuading enough RP supporters to not follow through on RP's plan to restore the GOP. While most supporters are actively involved in their local GOP, whether campaigning for pro-liberty candidates or trying to get more people in as precinct delegates, others are so freaked out by our successful trend of restoring the GOP that they spend their activism trying to muddy the waters on a forum they shouldn't even be a part of.

If Paul isn't the nominee, I'll be voting for Gary. But my money and time will be spent w/i the GOP as are all my fellow RP meetup members in my part of MI. We've been busting ass campaigning for Bentivolio in this wild race going on in MI 11. The party insiders have been actively trying to sabotage our nominee in any way possible yet we aren't turning tale and running to let them win, we're putting out that much more effort to stick it in their faces.