Gary Johnson Embarrassing Gary Johnson Political Ad

[HardyMacia]

Oh I'm not claiming he's an anti-fed warrior that is for congress to champion since it requires Congress to abolish it. Johnson is focusing on the things he can control like submitting a balanced budget and vetoing all expenditures that exceed revenues. I'm not sure how Paul can say that he'll "balance all legislation that spent more money than we had" while at the same time present a budget for his first year in office that spends 400 billion more than we have. Ought to start with a balanced budget.

"And Open the FED to Public Scrutiny and Control" -- ie: if we haven't gotten rid of it then we need to audit and get it under federal control.

Johnson's depth at monetary and fiscal issues comes from his 8 years turning around a billion dollar deficit into a billion surplus in NM and balancing the budget each year. Money in = money out. Simple concept.

 

[TheTexan]

"And Open the FED to Public Scrutiny and Control" -- ie: if we haven't gotten rid of it then we need to audit and get it under federal control.

You're reading into things that aren't there:
"He'll End The Federal Reserve Funny Money Scam And Open the FED to Public Scrutiny and Control"

You can't "End the Fed scam" and "Open it to scrutiny." The way I'm reading it, it says "He'll end the federal reserve scam by opening it to scrutiny and control"

You'll need a different source if you want to claim he wants to end the fed. The video is just more of the same.

 

[HardyMacia]

If I'm reading between the lines in the ad it's only because I've heard him talk about ending the fed a dozen times in all the online town halls he's hosted. It would come up as much as legalizing marijuana would come up. I'll find you a clip.

 

[HardyMacia]

bxm042 - a video just for you. You can be the first to view it. Johnson takes questions about the Fed from two viewers.

 

[TheTexan]

bxm042 - a video just for you. You can be the first to view it. Johnson takes questions about the Fed from two viewers.

Thank you for taking the time to upload that. However, unfortunately, it only reinforces everything I've been saying.

Ending the Federal Reserve is not the end all... the Treasury could still print money

When we say "End the Fed"... this does not mean, by legislation, close it down. It means through competing currencies. Given the option between a sound hard money currency, and funny money FRN's, the sound money will win every time. Meaning, the country (and by extension, the world) would shift to using hard money, and the Fed would lose all its power.

With competing currencies, the Treasury or the Fed can print it's FRN's all day and all night just as it has been, and it won't matter.

Please read a book on the subject for more information, as you (and GJ) would truly benefit from it.

Are you in favor of auditing the fed, and how can you curb it from printing money?

Abolishing the Federal Reserve in my opinion, brings about 100% transparency, which is a good thing, so I would be in favor of abolishing the Federal Reserve. How can you curb it from printing money? Look very simply, umm.. (10 more seconds of mumbling) so we implement the Fair Tax. The Fair Tax is going to be revenue neutral, but among other things, its also going to really promote savings. ... We need to first start off by balancing the budget, that's how we start the process of quitting printing money

Few things here:
1) When he says Abolish the Fed, he means give the power to the Treasury, he's not talking about "End the Fed", but just moving it
2) Notice how when he was asked how he would curb it from printing money, he stumbled alot? He has no idea what he's talking about
3) The Fair Tax has nothing to do with the treasury printing money
4) He demonstrates a lack of understanding of economics when he says that by redistributing how taxes are collected, it's going to promote savings
5) You can't stop the leviathan from printing money just by balancing the budget. As long as the option is open to use the easy source of infinite free funny money, they will use it. Period.

Basically this whole video had nothing to do with Ending the Fed. It was all about Moving the Fed (to the Treasury). If you could please find a clip on Gary Johnson on competing currencies it would be greatly appreciated

 

[mczerone]

You're reading into things that aren't there:
"He'll End The Federal Reserve Funny Money Scam And Open the FED to Public Scrutiny and Control"

You can't "End the Fed scam" and "Open it to scrutiny." The way I'm reading it, it says "He'll end the federal reserve scam by opening it to scrutiny and control"

You'll need a different source if you want to claim he wants to end the fed. The video is just more of the same.

The first line is not "End the FED, because it's a funny money scam." It more accurately reads "End the Funny Money SCAM that is being run by the Federal Reserve."

He just worded it funny to keep the "End the Fed" framing, while actually not agreeing to end the Fed.

 

[TheTexan]

He just worded it funny to keep the "End the Fed" framing, while actually not agreeing to end the Fed.

Indeed

 

[cheapseats]

How do END THE FED sticklers rationalize Ron Paul backpedaling from END THE FED as his book is boldly entitled, to AUDIT the Fed as his comparatively anemic bill is entitled?

SHOW OF HANDS: Who derives reassurance from audit of the mighty and mysterious Fed by a stoopider branch of government, years AFTER the manmade Financial Crisis?

 

[TheTexan]

How do END THE FED sticklers rationalize Ron Paul backpedaling from END THE FED as his book is boldly entitled, to AUDIT the Fed as his comparatively anemic bill is entitled?

SHOW OF HANDS: Who derives reassurance from audit of the mighty and mysterious Fed by a stoopider branch of government, years AFTER the manmade Financial Crisis?

He's at least doing it for the right reasons. To try to expose the problem, and make the argument for sound hard money currency. I'll agree with you though, that aspect probably isn't going to work.

But you know what? The congressmen supporting this audit, just for the power grab potential, they don't know this, but the audit could actually expose a number of things, any number of which could send this country into an economic collapse. I say bring it on.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

How do END THE FED sticklers rationalize Ron Paul backpedaling from END THE FED as his book is boldly entitled, to AUDIT the Fed as his comparatively anemic bill is entitled?

SHOW OF HANDS: Who derives reassurance from audit of the mighty and mysterious Fed by a stoopider branch of government, years AFTER the manmade Financial Crisis?

He puts in bills at the start of every Congress to End the Fed, end the income tax, and end numerous departments.

 

[HardyMacia]

When we say "End the Fed"... this does not mean, by legislation, close it down. It means through competing currencies. Given the option between a sound hard money currency, and funny money FRN's, the sound money will win every time. Meaning, the country (and by extension, the world) would shift to using hard money, and the Fed would lose all its power.

If you just want competing currencies then Johnson fully supports competing currencies, too.

It sounds like you are confusing the The Federal Reserve with FRNs or if the Federal Reserve is abolished then US Treasury Notes. Either case the US would print the money so you need to balance the budget.

The Federal Reserve isn't the only source of funny money. Do you remember the green backs under Lincoln - useless paper money.

So back to the competing currencies (gold, silver, bitcoin, salt, whatever you want)... Johnson supports them and has mentioned so in several town halls also -- but I'm done looking up videos for thenight. He also supports not having currencies taxed as goods. Again he's talked about it in his online town halls. Show up and talk to him at the next one he has.

 

[HardyMacia]

Few things here:
1) When he says Abolish the Fed, he means give the power to the Treasury, he's not talking about "End the Fed", but just moving it
2) Notice how when he was asked how he would curb it from printing money, he stumbled alot? He has no idea what he's talking about
3) The Fair Tax has nothing to do with the treasury printing money
4) He demonstrates a lack of understanding of economics when he says that by redistributing how taxes are collected, it's going to promote savings
5) You can't stop the leviathan from printing money just by balancing the budget. As long as the option is open to use the easy source of infinite free funny money, they will use it. Period.

Basically this whole video had nothing to do with Ending the Fed. It was all about Moving the Fed (to the Treasury). If you could please find a clip on Gary Johnson on competing currencies it would be greatly appreciated

I'm done for the night. I have to get up and collect a few hundred petitions signatures to get the LP on the ballot here in NH tomorrow.

And I'm to tired to explain how tax policy does affect behavior - even an Austrian economist could argue that.

He was talking about the FairTax promoting savings.

I'm very suspect of your understanding of economics at this point.

The main reason the government prints money is when it doesn't have enough revenue to cover expenses or when it has a large debt... so balancing the budget is step 1 but part 2 is to pay off the debt.

 

[TheTexan]

If you just want competing currencies then Johnson fully supports competing currencies, too.

References please

It sounds like you are confusing the The Federal Reserve with FRNs or if the Federal Reserve is abolished then US Treasury Notes. Either case the US would print the money so you need to balance the budget.

Fuck both of those... competing currencies... you're just really not reading anything I'm saying at this point?

The Federal Reserve isn't the only source of funny money. Do you remember the green backs under Lincoln - useless paper money.

Yes. I know this. What's your point? Competing currency solves Lincoln's green backs too.. that's the point... competing currencies addresses all of these issues, instead of trying to sweep them under the rug

So back to the competing currencies (gold, silver, bitcoin, salt, whatever you want)... Johnson supports them and has mentioned so in several town halls also -- but I'm done looking up videos for thenight. He also supports not having currencies taxed as goods. Again he's talked about it in his online town halls. Show up and talk to him at the next one he has.

References please. Everything I've seen - and I've looked - points to him not caring at all about competing currencies. I haven't found anything on the topic at all. You may (may!) be able to find him answer a yes or no question, such as "Mr. GJ, do you support competing currencies".. GJ .. ".. yes. Now, back to the marijuana issue..."

 

[TheTexan]

I'm very suspect of your understanding of economics at this point.

As I am of you

 

[TheTexan]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone else want to try to make the claim that GJ is for competing currencies? And I don't mean "he wouldn't veto a competing currency bill" but that he's actually for it?

Anyone?

 

[TheTexan]

I also just learned that GJ is against going back to the gold standard. The gold standard would at least actually limit the printing of money. GJ's plan to limit spending is to just "balance the budget and hope they don't print more money". Pfft. The guy's a joke.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

How can you be for ending the Fed but against the gold standard?

I mean, I know you can be, and really I think Johnson is actually just lost, having no real clue on monetary policy. But to be against the gold standard is to be against everything we mean when we say we want to end the Fed! We don't want to just end it because it's the Fed and reshuffle the deck chairs to the Treasury or some nonsense. We want to get back to sound money! That means gold. Pro-gold, anti-Fed, pro-free-market-in-currencies... they're all part and parcel of the same thing.

Anyway, this ad didn't say anything particularly wrong, so I think it's fine. If the production quality is a little off, whatever; they're having fun and maybe it will reach someone. And I slightly enjoy the dancing guy at the end.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

If there are two inconsistent statements, then the newest one takes priority.

I am amused by your presenting this, apparently part of some kind of mathematical equation system for What Everyone Ought to Believe the Politician Really Believes. How about we just take the stance that clearly he is flip-flopping around, saying a variety of ambiguous or weird things, and who knows what he really thinks, because he's made it impossible for anyone to know -- and therefore: who cares what he thinks!

Therefore, it's up to you to prove that he still holds those ideas.

Why in the world would it be up to him, or anyone, to prove anything of the kind? How does that make any sense? Everyone should have the default position that every politician they will ever encounter or hear of in any way, is going to be a totally duplicitous, worthless, lying, manipulating scumbag. Simply holding that position, and completely rejecting the possibility of any politician being worthwhile, will result in one's judgment of politicians being almost flawlessly correct. The Ron Pauls of the world are a 0.1% negligible exception. Even if a man wishes to remain open to the possibility of any given politician being one of this 0.1%, it is certainly the politician's job to prove to the man that he is, in fact, in that strange and elite class of aberrations; it is not the man's job to prove what can be assumed is almost certainly the case: that the politician is just another worthless evil or bumbling parasite who cannot be trusted. Gary Johnson has said things to destroy the fragile and long-shot possibility of any trust Wren could have had for him. There's really nothing you can do about that.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

How do END THE FED sticklers rationalize Ron Paul backpedaling from END THE FED as his book is boldly entitled, to AUDIT the Fed as his comparatively anemic bill is entitled?

SHOW OF HANDS: Who derives reassurance from audit of the mighty and mysterious Fed by a stoopider branch of government, years AFTER the manmade Financial Crisis?

Are you serious? I feel like your brain must have shut off for a minute while you typed.

 

[HardyMacia]

I also just learned that GJ is against going back to the gold standard. The gold standard would at least actually limit the printing of money. GJ's plan to limit spending is to just "balance the budget and hope they don't print more money". Pfft. The guy's a joke.

Reference? Johnson's not against the gold standard -- he's talked about Reagan's gold commission (whatever it was) as a way to get back to a gold standard. Give me a reference he's against competition currencies, too, while you are at it since he's for them. It seems you'll just change your tune again.