Email Database and The Grassroots HQ: Tick,Tock,Tick,Tock......

As far as broad initiatives go, I think most of us are open to this to at least some extent - but why have some voting group, etc? Why not instead just throw the idea out there, and either no one will implement it, some people will implement it, or a lot of people will see it as an awesome idea and implement it. You won't win trying to herd cats, but if you tell them where there might be some fish, some of them may go in that direction. :)

That is the whole idea behind creating a STRATEGY. No one wants to micromanage squat, or to quell Meetup group level or individual actions. I want to say to you that even very small, turn on a dime organizations filled with UNIX systems administrators, have a strategic direction. And in case some of you have not worked with a bunch of UNIX systems administrators, now THAT is herding cats. But even they want the strategy determined and to be pointed in a general direction. They then take it from there and produce miracles. Note: I should mention that it is understood that someone coming up with said strategy is only the first part. The second is getting buy-in from the team, because if you do not have that, the strategy will not be implemented.

Perhaps we should just keep flailing about. I'm tired, at least for tonight, of beating my head against a brick wall.
 
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We don't need to bring them on board. All we need is a mechanism other than the very time consuming and extremely limited facility within Meetup, to send them emails. That's it.

Agreed Liberty Eagle.

Listen, the 3 C's thing was NOT about anything even close to authoritarian.... hate the stuff myself.....command doesn't have to be a Person.....just a place something central and effecient. I mentioned Lord Xar because he's a git'er done person and he's shown himself trustworthy and capable already. So if it just needs some leadership to launch it ...fine.
The control just means coordination , and communication is pretty obvious. I see all three elements here on the thread. My main goal is still to problem solve. OK?:)
Sorry if the terms put you off mdh.
 
Lol

I have unmetered 100mbps bandwidth and can throw about 50 gigs of space to start with at this. With about a week's notice (ie - if it grows quickly) I can pull down another ~100mbps of bandwidth and a couple of terabytes of disk space. Just say the word, and we'll roll.

I don't even know what that means but I'm already excited!:)
 
I haven't read this board, but someone asked me what it took to email 676 Meetup members. I was on this board for 11 hours asking for help due to the 25 email max at Meetup. I finally gave up and opened up 11 accounts of my own at Meetup, along with 11 new email addresses so I could do most of the work myself. I ended up with 12 volunteers in 11 hours.

Don't know what ya'll are talking about, but I hope this helps.

And some of you don't think we have a problem COMMUNICATING with others if we have a need? Geesh.
 
Could an auto program like digg it, send a message out to all meetup groups when the digg hits a certain number of interested individuals of various topics and projects listed? It could be sub grouped for states and counties. Then they would get hold of the people suggeted in the article. No power egos just a program.

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All we need is a way to send a simple email out to all the Meetup Organizers. That would be enough.

That's all Jennifer was trying to do and it took multiple people and all day to pull it off. This is simply ridiculous.
 
If you choose not to join then that is your choice. NEVER has anybody talked of making orders or for forcing anybody to do anything. This would be a tool to use the collective group in a more targeted way. As blunt as I can put it, standing in some city waving signs or hanging out RP Revolution banners over a freeway is completely and utterly useless if RP doesn't win several of the first five primary states. With an organization like what is being proposed, the combined efforts of ALL RP supporters can be focused more toward winning those states. I appreciate everybody's efforts but It seems to me that there are those of us with a background in Politics and campaigning that know a little bit more about what type of system is used by winning campaigns. I know everybody will say that this is different and we are revolutionary. No, we aren't. grass roots support has been done a million times over, only difference is that this one is bigger then most, and therefore again proves the need for better communication and more effective direction.
For instance, sign waving seems to be a very popular activity. It is also not the most effective. Going down to the supervisor of elections office and getting a list of registered voters and doing specific mailing or door to door handouts is much more effective. These people have already proven to vote. These people donate to campaigns. These people are the ones who will get polled over the phone and will add legitimacy to RP campaign. Some people think that the polls are rigged, or that there is some neo-con conspiracy to keep us down. I don't buy it. The truth is this. Those that hear RP message generally support it but his name recognition is low. Targeting specific groups is much more effective then shotgunning the message. Organization is the means to target these groups. We must win NH, and at least two other states in the first five if RP wants to have a chance. We organize now and focus on three states we make the difference. We keep going individually then we all feel really good about ourselves for making such a great effort in what will turn out to be a losing effort.


I couldn't agree more.
 
Ok, give me your thoughts on this format.

We set up a completely voluntary system of filtering ideas, packaging our message, funneling money to important areas of interest (VERY BIG ADVANTAGE), and communicating to everyone as a whole (i.e. a giant e-mail list)

This is the way we do it. We gather a "roundtable" of people who have different areas of strategical expertise. We need people who have experience in campaigns before, a journalist, a lawyer, a marketing expert, ect. ect. People who have strategic experience.

The people on this roundtable all agree that no one person is in charge and that all ideas will be considered, but, not all ideas will be put into action. They take a vote after a discussion and debate on what to do. They then give this recomendation to another "roundtable" of people with creative expertise. People who have experience making commercials, writing articles, making websites, ect. ect. ect. These people put their heads together and come up with the best commercial/brochure/t-shirt/website/whatever possible. They then distribute their finished product to the people that need it (this will change depending on the project the time during the campaign)

Additionally another, probably smaller, "roundtable" will convene and focus one one thing and one thing only. Finances. They can organize fund-raisers and other things to raise money for the operation, and for the grassroots campaign. ONE RULE: Money gets distributed to anyone who asks as long as they can demonstrate that the money is being used to promote Ron Paul in the best possible light, and only to promote Ron Paul.

We will need a group of volunteers at this point to communicate to general grassroots people about what new product or strategy is rolling out of the roundtables. And subsequently, that same group of volunteers needs to report back to us the response and needs in their particular regions. (i.e. This commercial isn't going over well, please try to focus on this more, remember to do this for this region, that brochure rocked, ect.) This group should have ten volunteers (each responsible for 5 states).

Ok, slightly outside of the organization we should have a consortium for all the specialized interest groups supporting Ron Paul. Texans for Paul, Christians for Paul, punks for Paul, whatever, who can be our eyes and ears in their individual communities. They'll tell us what they need, and what they'd like to see, and let the strategic and technical experts work hard to make them the happiest people on the face of the earth. Any organization in complete support of Paul should gets this level of access, no questions asked. This is the most important part of this organization. This is the intel division of this "war".

Then there's the rank and file who agree to do one thing and one thing only. . . . communicate. This means give us your e-mail so the regional communication volunteers, and to tell them what you need and how to do it. I mean think about it. You have an oppertunity to make a presintation to your moose club, and maybe to all the moose clubs in your state. You need brochures, a video, campaign fodder (buttons, etc.) money for gas, blah blah blah. That's a a lot of work and a lot of time you'd have to spend tracking down each individual person that make such and such an item and before you know it, you're half assing the project because you've got a full time job, a family, and yard to mow. Wouldn't be great to just be able to fire off an e-mail to your regional person detailing what you want to do and then have all that stuff, and instuctions on how to do it, sent to your door?? It's a turn key operation for you. But, if you are more independant than that, you can pick and choose from our ideas, create your own and tell the grassroots about them, ect. ect. ect.

One overall rule, this is strictly volunteer, no one is paid, no one is the "supreme leader."

Ok, I know that was long, but. . . give me your thoughts.
 
I would like to see more goals, strategies, and coordinated efforts. Most ideas rarely get implemented, and they can be darn good ideas as well.

The person with the idea may have posted at a bad time, may not have communicated effectively, etc. I have seen many threads where I believe the idea was good disappear because one or two people were negative, effectively squashing the idea. It did not mean the idea was bad, it just meant that someone didn't like it. With 2 thousand libertarian oriented minds, there will rarely if ever be unanimous agreement.

There are also ideas that can work extremely well, but will only work well with a force of people behind the idea. So if we continue on this decentralized avenue, lets make sure we are still defining strategies and goals, etc. We will not win this being haphazard, shooting off in hundreds of different directions. For instance, we should define what states we should focus our attention on NOW. We should devise a clear cut attack plan, and stay on track. And sometimes a vote is needed, to end debate and move on. If you don't like the idea, participate in a different one. No one is gong to manage you. But what I can see happening again is what happened with Iowa.

Lets learn from Iowa. We were disorganized, late to the party, and debated endlessly on how important or irrelevent it was up until the last minute. Granted, the campaign headquarters was directionless, but lets not look at them, lets look at ourselves. There is no telling what is at stake here with this election, lets remember all of the disenfranchised voters that will be recepetive to the message. We need to define a strategy to reach the most people in key states ASAP.
 
Simplicity and Effeciency

All we need is a way to send a simple email out to all the Meetup Organizers. That would be enough.

That's all Jennifer was trying to do and it took multiple people and all day to pull it off. This is simply ridiculous.

I think Liberty Eagle has it right.... we have a concise definition of the problem and the solution. A vehicle for communication is all that is needed to start with.

As far as the mechanics, we have some basic concepts to build upon:

Concept
An email database, voluntary, of meetup leaders who disseminate to members, and/or an all member database (32K). The database(s) would be organized geographically.

Concept
A Digg (type) mechanism (Apache?) included which could act as a spam filter where ideas/alerts/solicitations are allowed to build consensus or gain "traction" to then trigger a broadcast email?

We have a data base technician. We have offer(s) to host. We have an existing website offered. We have (Lord Xar) working on a site draft.

Maybe we ought to name it after Jennifer! :rolleyes:
 
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I think Liberty Eagle has it right.... we have a concise definition of the problem and the solution. A vehicle for communication is all that is needed to start with.

As far as the mechanics, we have some basic concepts to build upon:

Concept
An email database, voluntary, of meetup leaders who disseminate to members, and/or an all member database (32K). The database(s) would be organized geographically.

Concept
A Digg (type) mechanism (Apache?) included which could act as a spam filter where ideas are allowed to build consensus or gain "traction" to then trigger a broadcast email?

We have a data base technician. We have offer(s) to host. We have an existing website offered. We have (Lord Xar) working on a site draft.

Maybe we ought to name it after Jennifer! :rolleyes:

I like it - simple, cheap. And voluntary, at all levels of participation. I like the name (Jennifer), and I can donate some coding time if need be.
 
I think Liberty Eagle has it right.... we have a concise definition of the problem and the solution. A vehicle for communication is all that is needed to start with.

As far as the mechanics, we have some basic concepts to build upon:

Concept
An email database, voluntary, of meetup leaders who disseminate to members, and/or an all member database (32K). The database(s) would be organized geographically.

Concept
A Digg (type) mechanism (Apache?) included which could act as a spam filter where ideas/alerts/solicitations are allowed to build consensus or gain "traction" to then trigger a broadcast email?

We have a data base technician. We have offer(s) to host. We have an existing website offered. We have (Lord Xar) working on a site draft.

Maybe we ought to name it after Jennifer! :rolleyes:

The only other thing I see that is needed is a way to send the emails. 32k emails are a lot to send if you want to get them out in a timely matter. Also, Can-Spam laws need to be followed or we will be known as real spammers.

Does anybody have the ability to send out that many emails?
 
I would like to see more goals, strategies, and coordinated efforts. Most ideas rarely get implemented, and they can be darn good ideas as well.

The person with the idea may have posted at a bad time, may not have communicated effectively, etc. I have seen many threads where I believe the idea was good disappear because one or two people were negative, effectively squashing the idea. It did not mean the idea was bad, it just meant that someone didn't like it. With 2 thousand libertarian oriented minds, there will rarely if ever be unanimous agreement.

There are also ideas that can work extremely well, but will only work well with a force of people behind the idea. So if we continue on this decentralized avenue, lets make sure we are still defining strategies and goals, etc. We will not win this being haphazard, shooting off in hundreds of different directions. For instance, we should define what states we should focus our attention on NOW. We should devise a clear cut attack plan, and stay on track. And sometimes a vote is needed, to end debate and move on. If you don't like the idea, participate in a different one. No one is gong to manage you. But what I can see happening again is what happened with Iowa.

Lets learn from Iowa. We were disorganized, late to the party, and debated endlessly on how important or irrelevent it was up until the last minute. Granted, the campaign headquarters was directionless, but lets not look at them, lets look at ourselves. There is no telling what is at stake here with this election, lets remember all of the disenfranchised voters that will be recepetive to the message. We need to define a strategy to reach the most people in key states ASAP.

I agree.
 
Guys, this thread is 14 pages long, with no action.

In my opinion, all we need is a simple mailing list that meetup.com leaders can subscribe to. So I created one at yahoo groups. Y'all are free to promote it and use it or ignore it and do something else, or ignore it and do nothing.

Here's the info:

Group name: ronpaul-grassroots-announce
Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ronpaul-grassroots-announce
Group email: [email protected]

Description:

This is a low volume, moderated list intended to disseminate important announcements to meetup group leaders, and anyone else interested in grassroots efforts and "action on the ground".

Meetup.com has proven itself ineffective for distributing important announcements to the 600+ meetup groups. Indeed Meetup.com actively prohibits any member from contacting more than 25 groups in one day, and these must be done individually. It is hoped that leaders or members from each of those groups will join this list and then pass the information on to the list for each respective group, if relevant.

It is vital that we improve our communications channels if we hope to organize effectively in support of Dr. Paul.

Announcements to this list will be approved by the moderators in a timely fashion. For those looking for Ron Paul discussion, we recommend ronpaulforums.com. If you would like to become a moderator, please contact me (danda) and introduce yourself, your reasons, and your availability.

If you like the idea and want to promote it, I suggest that you start by:

1) blogging about it and encouraging meetup folks especial leaders to join.

2) emailing your own meetup groups.

3) Posting in other groups and forums.

4) Broadcasting it on RonPaulRadio.

5) Thinking of your own creative way to get the word out.


regards,
 
Morning All...

I think Liberty Eagle has it right.... we have a concise definition of the problem and the solution. A vehicle for communication is all that is needed to start with.

As far as the mechanics, we have some basic concepts to build upon:

Concept
An email database, voluntary, of meetup leaders who disseminate to members, and/or an all member database (32K). The database(s) would be organized geographically.

Concept
A Digg (type) mechanism (Apache?) included which could act as a spam filter where ideas/alerts/solicitations are allowed to build consensus or gain "traction" to then trigger a broadcast email?

We have a data base technician. We have offer(s) to host. We have an existing website offered. We have (Lord Xar) working on a site draft.

Maybe we ought to name it after Jennifer! :rolleyes:

Morning All...:)
I guess this will pick up where we left off....
first of all..... I see (14 pages?) of PROGRESS from one day's collaboration.

danda: thanks for your get'r done post.... but I think we will come up with something better than a Yahoo group room/chat/page. .... we'll see....but stand-by and THANKS for your effort.:)
Suzu: stand by.....you have a "forum" format....not sure we want that.K?

I do not conceive of a 32K email broadcast.... I think efforts with the database will allow much more focus and sub-distribution.

I sure would like not to spend all day rehashing the "central authority" thing tho:rolleyes:
 
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