Elon Musk says F-35 is a "shit" design

[TheTexan]

If anything, that's the best case for what I'm talking about. High tech shit always, always, always crashes in price while simultaneously improving in function and reliability.

Tell that to flagship new phones. Same price as 10 years ago, and what, better camera? Seems same shit to me.

In any case, F16s of today have a lot more tech packed into it than they did. F16s of 30 years ago had 1 TV. Today they have like 15 TVs, 12 different radars, 17000 sensors, and 4 automated coffee holders. Doesn't matter if TVs go down in price. All that shit costs money

 

[TheCount]

That's still over $100 million per plane! The original run of the F-16 was like $13 million. With zero cost saving measures that should be $40 million today.

In order to get the price that low, Bahrain fronted the money for Lockheed to build the assembly line for the plane.

Not included in that cost.

Again, I'm really looking forward to this conversation happening. Musk is a fan of this stuff and he's going to know things like how the F-20 was a very capable fighter that would have cost pennies on the dollar and it was actively killed for political reasons, and how Northrop didn't complain because they knew which way the wind was blowing and had their own massive federal money spigot grift going on with the B-2 and didn't want to jeopardize it.

Elon Musk is a fan of what stuff exactly?

Low tech solutions?

Simple, effective solutions?

Not producing an overly complicated , overly specified product?

Saving money?

 

[Snowball]

Tier 3 garbage

All Lockheed's best stuff is in Antarctica. Above Top Secret.

 

[fisharmor]

Elon Musk is a fan of what stuff exactly?

Low tech solutions?

Simple, effective solutions?

Not producing an overly complicated , overly specified product?

Saving money?

He's a fan of the tech, and knows what he's talking about, unlike your average congressman. I mean Massie probably knows the technical reasons behind why the F-35 is a fucking joke, but who else would?

Love him or hate him, Elon has objectively pushed technology in directions it hasn't gone before, and has pushed it farther than anyone else has in directions it was going.
He figured out how to land rockets for re-use. We saw that in sci-fi in the 1960s but literally nobody has done it prior to him. And he did it on a budget. Even though those budgets were astronomical they still are dwarfed by what the F-35 has cost so far and the difference is Elon has actually delivered something.

He's uniquely qualified to comment on the F-35 because he's done a bunch of different things that are way more complicated and for less money.
My point is that he's impossible to dazzle with bullshit on this topic. He's the one man on Earth who can face the people in charge of this massive scam and say "here are all the exact reasons why everything you're saying is an overt lie".

 

[TheTexan]

He figured out how to land rockets for re-use. We saw that in sci-fi in the 1960s but literally nobody has done it prior to him. And he did it on a budget.

He was also the first (and only) to fly a functioning full flow staged combustion engine

 

[Voluntarist]

In any case, F16s of today have a lot more tech packed into it than they did. F16s of 30 years ago had 1 TV. Today they have like 15 TVs, 12 different radars, 17000 sensors, and 4 automated coffee holders. Doesn't matter if TVs go down in price. All that $#@! costs money

Don't forget the bathrooms ... non-gendered of course

 

[TheCount]

He's a fan of the tech, and knows what he's talking about, unlike your average congressman. I mean Massie probably knows the technical reasons behind why the F-35 is a fucking joke, but who else would?

Love him or hate him, Elon has objectively pushed technology in directions it hasn't gone before, and has pushed it farther than anyone else has in directions it was going.
He figured out how to land rockets for re-use. We saw that in sci-fi in the 1960s but literally nobody has done it prior to him. And he did it on a budget. Even though those budgets were astronomical they still are dwarfed by what the F-35 has cost so far and the difference is Elon has actually delivered something.

He's uniquely qualified to comment on the F-35 because he's done a bunch of different things that are way more complicated and for less money.
My point is that he's impossible to dazzle with bullshit on this topic. He's the one man on Earth who can face the people in charge of this massive scam and say "here are all the exact reasons why everything you're saying is an overt lie".

I think they already know how to land and reuse airplanes.

 

[fisharmor]

I think they already know how to land and reuse airplanes.

Well, the B model kinda disagrees with you.

 

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ktj4MK5qFY

 

[devil21]

wow, what amazing insight from Elon. It's a shame no one recognized the MIC money pit that the F-35 was before Elon declared it. Look at the big brain on Elon! All praise big brained Elon!

Should I bow to his big brain now?

 

[Occam's Banana]

THREAD: F35 crash in Alaska