Eliminate women's suffrage?

[jonahtrainer]

Not funny. My wife who has spent hundreds of hours supporting Ron Paul is now sobbing and threatening to withdraw from the campaign feeling rejected. For what? What do you get out of chasing women from this campaign? This is about Ron Paul winning or the alternative. Get serious. Think about what you are doing with everything you do in this campaign. If you want to reject women, do it as part of your personal life. It has no place in the Ron Paul campaign.

I'm not really sure how one can interpret the post to be meant to 'chase women out of the campaign.' But even if it were meant for that why not confront the question with a reasoned, rational, intellectual and composed remark? Crying and running away sure doesn't persuade very well. We are in a battle of ideas and to be effective we must be able to persuasively articulate our position. Most of all, don't take it personal as these are just ideas.

This reminds me of a case I had to present in law school that I was assigned but found personally morally repugnant. But I argued the case well and battered my opponent's arguments successfully and won the vote. Doesn't mean I agreed with my own position though ....

 

[apc3161]

It's called a joke; try a laugh every once in a while...

to Matt Collins

As I stated before, I believe every individual (male, female, gay, black, straight, white hispanic, etc) receives their rights because they are individuals and for no other reason.

I'm to try to say this nicely and respectfully. You must be one of the dumbest people on this planet.

Some jokes are not funny. This is ESPECIALLY the case here considering these facts.

1) Trolls lurk all over this forum, this is exactly the kind of stuff they love. They want to create tension amongst us.
2) The mainstream media refers to these forums all of the time. What do you think they are going to do if they see "30% of Ron Paul supporters don't believe women should have the right to vote." Considering they are just waiting for a reason to debunk this man, they must feel absolute bliss that you may have just given it to them

Right now our defense against idiotic and retarded ideas such as this one is this, "they don't represent the majority of RP supporters, most of us are quite normal and sane." Yet you go and pull this shit and ruin that.

Lets assume that 99% of those who voted "yes" either think suffrage=suffering or voted yes as a joke.

Do you think the trolls and media are going to care? Of course not. They are going to eat this stuff up.

And as for all the women who support RP, do you realize how many you might have alienated? Despite the fact that we KNOW the majority of his supporters are men and we need more women?

You sir, are a jackass, and an idiot who doesn't think more than 10 seconds into the future as to what the consequences of your actions might be and then when things go sour you just say, "lighten up it was a joke..."

-apc

 

[noxagol]

to Matt Collins

As I stated before, I believe every individual (male, female, gay, black, straight, white hispanic, etc) receives their rights because they are individuals and for no other reason.

I'm to try to say this nicely and respectfully. You must be one of the dumbest people on this planet.

Some jokes are not funny. This is ESPECIALLY the case here considering these facts.

1) Trolls lurk all over this forum, this is exactly the kind of stuff they love. They want to create tension amongst us.
2) The mainstream media refers to these forums all of the time. What do you think they are going to do if they see "30% of Ron Paul supporters don't believe women should have the right to vote." Considering they are just waiting for a reason to debunk this man, they must feel absolute bliss that you may have just given it to them

Right now our defense against idiotic and retarded ideas such as this one is this, "they don't represent the majority of RP supporters, most of us are quite normal and sane." Yet you go and pull this shit and ruin that.

Lets assume that 99% of those who voted "yes" either think suffrage=suffering or voted yes as a joke.

Do you think the trolls and media are going to care? Of course not. They are going to eat this stuff up.

And as for all the women who support RP, do you realize how many you might have alienated? Despite the fact that we KNOW the majority of his supporters are men and we need more women?

You sir, are a jackass, and an idiot who doesn't think more than 10 seconds into the future as to what the consequences of your actions might be and then when things go sour you just say, "lighten up it was a joke..."

-apc

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[ThePieSwindler]

Hmm.. isnt one of the big issues why our polling is so low due to the lack of women? Like in nh, 14% of men but only 3% of women. On the one hand, if we eliminated women, our polling numbers would be alot higher. On the other hand, the thought of even bringing this up probably isnt endearing us to women who might otherwise vote for ron paul, and will definately not bring that number up...

But of course im kidding. So long as there is democracy, i believe everyone should at least have equal access to it. Though, i believe democracy and even republics to some extent are immoral and ultiamte always lead to larger government and "faction", as the found put it, aka special interest. People will always vote for what helps them out, and will disreguard the rights of others. I think the problem is not womens suffrage, but suffrage in general, and democracy for that matter.

but of course, when given lemons, make lemonade. In this case, the lemonade is to elect Ron Paul.

 

[Chibioz]

This whole thread is a joke including my posts. If you were offended grow a backbone. Have a laugh, relax. No need to get your panties in a bunch. If you find this thread offensive I suggest you grow thicker skin or avoid all jokes in the future. This is a group where we believe in individual rights, to me it was pretty obvious an absurd topic like this was a joke a joke from the start.

 

[apc3161]

This whole thread is a joke including my posts. If you were offended grow a backbone. Have a laugh, relax. No need to get your panties in a bunch. If you find this thread offensive I suggest you grow thicker skin or avoid all jokes in the future. This is a group where we believe in individual rights, to me it was pretty obvious an absurd topic like this was a joke a joke from the start.

I wish we lived in a better world where people realize this was a joke, but its just not the case. Like I said, if the media sees this, they are going to eat it up. Thats the way campaigns are.

Obama got crap because apparently he told his kindergarten teacher that he wanted to be president one day. Imagine what this would do.

If you are going to do stupid jokes like this that is fine, but put A BIG F'ING DISCLAIMER IN THE TITLE, " THIS IS A JOKE, A SATIRE, COME UP WITH FUNNY RESPONSES"

 

[Matt Collins]

My wife who has spent hundreds of hours supporting Ron Paul is now sobbing and threatening to withdraw from the campaign feeling rejected.

Over this thread?!?!!

Your wife needs to grow some thicker skin (and a sense of humor too).

If you want to reject women, do it as part of your personal life. It has no place in the Ron Paul campaign.

Hello - it was a joke.

Geeze...

On the more serious objective side of things however I have heard theories that mention the country started going socialistic soon after women were allowed to vote. Whether or not there is any validity to them I honestly don't know.

 

[Matt Collins]

You must be one of the dumbest people on this planet.

If you want to compare IQs the probability is such that I would most likely come out ahead.

Some jokes are not funny.

That is an objective statement. There were many people here who found this funny. Some people even expanded on with serious and intelligent discussion. Others did not.


So while something might not be humorous to you, it might be humorous to others. That's objectivity

Lets assume that 99% of those who voted "yes" either think suffrage=suffering or voted yes as a joke.

Do you think the trolls and media are going to care? Of course not. They are going to eat this stuff up.

Do you honestly think the media spends hours a day reading this place? HA! Don't kid yourself. I work for a major news organization, trust me, they don't.

And as for all the women who support RP, do you realize how many you might have alienated?

How many? Please quantify it for me.

You sir, are a jackass, and an idiot

And you are an impolite, rude, and close minded cretin.

 

[erin moore]

How many? Please quantify it for me.


And you are an impolite, rude, and close minded cretin.

Well, one. Geez, how immature and thoughtless. Ron would NOT approve.

 

[apc3161]

If you want to compare IQs the probability is such that I would most likely come out ahead.

Whatever lets you sleep at night...

That is an objective statement. There were many people here who found this funny. Some people even expanded on with serious and intelligent discussion. Others did not.

So while something might not be humorous to you, it might be humorous to others. That's objectivity

I'm sorry, I think you meant SUBJECTIVE. You might wanna go take that IQ test again.

Do you honestly think the media spends hours a day reading this place? HA! Don't kid yourself. I work for a major news organization, trust me, they don't.

Yes I do. How do I know that? BECAUSE THEY'VE SHOWED VIDEO OF THE FORUMS ON CNN, CBS, AND MSNBC!

How many? Please quantify it for me.

Out of spite I actually took the time to enlighten you on this retarded question of yours.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=20844&highlight=women ("I'm a female, but in our meet up I'm out numbered by about 7 to 1. " )

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=44919&highlight=women ("My RP Meetup group is 80% male.")

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=36250&highlight=women (Polling 12% among men, 2% among women)

And you are an impolite, rude, and close minded cretin.

Sorry. If I had an IQ as high as yours I would try and fix that but hey what can you do?

 

[Alex Libman]

Yes! Put them back to hand-washing our shirts and birthin' babies or the Islamistics win!

 

[stm]

The USA has accomplished more in science, technology, and every other area exponentially since 1920. Healthcare, economics, production, communication, transportation, every single area and it has all been since women have had the right to vote. The gains in the eras prior are miniscule to the gains in knowledge made in the last one hundred years.

That's irrelevant.

The point is, Occidental societies which existed prior to 1920 accomplished just as much (if not more)* as Occidental societies do today, so really, your assertion that there's any kind of correlation between "accomplishments" and the "oppression" of women is absurd.

*Arguably, most of the accomplishments prior to 1920 were of far more achievement than those today, as they not only laid all the groundwork for today's technological/scientific advancements, but they did so without all of the technological luxuries which we have today (most of which are the result of the Industrial Revolution).

Furthermore, the fact that we've accomplished so much since 1920, has more to do with the Industrial Revolution than anything else. Industrialize any society which is already making significant advances in science and technology, and you'll see a drastic increase in those advancements.

If you don't want to let women vote, move to one of the backwords countries that don't let women vote. That should be evidence enough of what happens.

You mean like America during the time around 1789? If that's evidence of what happens, then count me in.

 

[stm]

In any event, as someone who voted "yes" (personally, I think that suffrage should ultimately be eliminated altogether), I have to say that this thread should really be closed/deleted.

 

[work2win]

I'm sure it's much more related to the decreasing number of pirates in the world than it is to women voting.

One of the few who get it. The connection between decreasing numbers of pirates and increasing socialism is an often concealed fact.

 

[merrimac]

My vote: Delete this topic

New poll: How many people want this topic REMOVED?

I will vote yes on that one.

I don't equate topics that are designed to raise people's blood pressure with having fun.

Freedom of speech is paramount but if you want Ron Paul to win consider this: you have to assume that there are people every single day who are just learning about Ron Paul who come to these forums. What the hell do you think they're going to think when they find out that 30% (I know it's really way lower) or whatever Ron Paul supporters think women shouldn't vote?

My god, this seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Anybody who takes this thread seriously must be crazy.


Or female.

 

[literatim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j6uRi-QIcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ofEGfqfBd0

 

[erikm]

Despite the fact that the first largescale use of womens' US national voting power was to help push through Prohibition, I'm not in favor.

 

[Gordon]

Eliminate women's suffrage?



Of course I'm (mostly) joking.


But has anyone ever noticed that our country started to turn really socialistic when women began to vote?

Correlation does not always = causation, however I think the coincidence is interesting.


Thoughts?

Find your bollocks.

 

[PaleoForPaul]

Not funny. My wife who has spent hundreds of hours supporting Ron Paul is now sobbing and threatening to withdraw from the campaign feeling rejected.

Some people in this thread are having a legitimate discussion of women's suffrage, others are just kidding around. If you're wife's support of Ron Paul revolves around what 3 or 4 people on a message board say, she's doing more to support those that say women shouldn't vote.