Eliminate Drunk Driving laws

[Wesker1982]

First of all, I do not live my life as an anarchy.

You don't make most of your daily decisions in absence of political coercion? Aren't most of your decisions you make voluntary?

 

[Vessol]

Yes, liberty is about submission. That is a discussion for another thread, but all I'm saying is that human beings do not have freedom in living without rules NOR rulers. Nature will not allow it, and more importantly, it goes against the ordinances of God in relation to the various governments He has established.

Simply, drivers submit to civil authority by obeying the laws of that civil authority, which includes traffic laws.

What governments has God established?

 

[Wesker1982]

btw I am going crazy looking for that clip from one of Stossel's shows where he shows that one really busy road without traffic lights. Anyone have this clip or know what episode it is from? He talks about spontaneous order a lot in this episode.

 

[Theocrat]

There Are More Rules Than Just Civil

You don't make most of your daily decisions in absence of political coercion? Aren't most of your decisions you make voluntary?

I do, but I don't agree with your assumption that all rules are governmental or politically enforced, either inherently or by convention.

 

[Theocrat]

These

What governments has God established?

Self-government, family government, church government, and civil government.

 

[Vessol]

Self-government, family government, church government, and civil government.

The first three I agree with. But, where in the Bible does God create the States of the modern world?

 

[Wesker1982]

I do, but I don't agree with your assumption that all rules are governmental or politically enforced, either inherently or by convention.

I don't remember making that assumption.

Anyways, you forgot to reply to this part when you quoted me

If the market decided that traffic lights, etc. were necessary and demanded them, the market would provide them. There is no reason a private road couldn't have lights. If they were needed they would be profitable, thus provided.

What do you think about this?

 

[KetchupMaster]

btw I am going crazy looking for that clip from one of Stossel's shows where he shows that one really busy road without traffic lights. Anyone have this clip or know what episode it is from? He talks about spontaneous order a lot in this episode.

YouTube - Stossel Show - Planes, Trains and Automobiles! (Part 3/6)

 

[Theocrat]

The Basis is in the Pages

The first three I agree with. But, where in the Bible does God create the States of the modern world?

In principle, the justification for civil magistrates is woven throughout all of Scripture, from the times of the rule of elders under Moses to the rule of the Judges to the time of Kings. Nowhere in the Gospel accounts does Jesus, Who Himself was King of kings and Lord of lords, even hint that civil governments were evil and should be abolished. Anyone who has seriously read the Scriptures can understand that.

 

[Wesker1982]

Thank you!

*favorited*

Check out that video, Theocrat.

Also,

Jesus is an Anarchist: http://www.anti-state.com/redford/redford4.html

 

[Theocrat]

My Thoughts

I don't remember making that assumption.

Anyways, you forgot to reply to this part when you quoted me



What do you think about this?

I don't buy into the notion of private roads, at least not in the capacity of which we use public roads today. The market cannot decide on everything, after all. It's not a "rational, sentient, living thing," for starters. The deification of the market to the extent that it can provide total safety of all realms of civil behavior is naive and mistaken. On a logical point, it falls into a fallacy of reification.

 

[FrankRep]

Jesus is an Anarchist: http://www.anti-state.com/redford/redford4.html

Jesus obeyed God's Law, he's not an Anarchist.

 

[phill4paul]

Wow. From anti-drunk driving to theological vs. anarchic debate.

Before it use to be specific threads where we would debate our individual beliefs ad nauseum.

Now it seems we are so bored we will just throw all our eggs in one basket.

So since others are injecting worn debates into this thread I pose my question.


Should 12 year old's be allowed to drive while impaired under a Constitutional Theocracy if their state constitution allows it?

 

[ClayTrainor]

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[FrankRep]

Should 12 year old's be allowed to drive while impaired ...?

State Issue, not a Federal Issue.

 

[Wesker1982]

Jesus obeyed God's Law, he's not an Anarchist.

ok he was a voluntaryist.

 

[phill4paul]

State Issue, not a Federal Issue.

Even under a Constitutional Theocracy?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yes, liberty is about submission. That is a discussion for another thread, but all I'm saying is that human beings do not have freedom in living without rules NOR rulers. Nature will not allow it, and more importantly, it goes against the ordinances of God in relation to the various governments He has established.

Simply, drivers submit to civil authority by obeying the laws of that civil authority, which includes traffic laws.

Theo, you channeling Rudy the Ghoul?

What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

 

[Theocrat]

Wrong

ok he was a voluntaryist.

Jesus is a theocrat, and as God, He rules all things. Stop applying human titles and labels which belittle His authority.

 

[Theocrat]

Beware of the Wolves in Sheep's Clothing

Theo, you channeling Rudy the Ghoul?

Liberty is not libertinism. Unfortunately, we have a majority of libertines on this forum whose ideas do not comport with the principles of liberty taught by God, espoused by our Founders, and defended by Congressman Paul.

These libertines are operating on a totally different worldview, and that's our major problem.