Einstein's historic 'God Letter' written shortly before death up for auction — opening bid

[Muwahid]

That's just absurd. We are subject to certain rules, but when it comes to God you can throw all of them out for the hell of it.

That's sort of the point isn't it? If God were subjected to what we're subjected to how is that a God? You seem more interested in using strawman arguments, creating a concept of God which is not compatible with most scriptures then knocking it down. God, when described accurately, is untouchable by science.

 

[robert68]

You didn’t answer my second question: Did God have a first act or thought? Also, if God has thoughts and does things, they occur in a succession, and that meets the definition of time.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/time

Just to follow up on my last post. I first asked you, "Did "God" always exist?", to which you replied, "Not in time."
Well here's the American Heritage Dictionary's definition of "always":

At all times; invariably: always late.
For all time; forever: They will always be friends.
At any time; in any event: You can always resign if you're unhappy.

So the word "always" inherently involves the concept of time.

 

[torchbearer]

That's sort of the point isn't it? If God were subjected to what we're subjected to how is that a God? You seem more interested in using strawman arguments, creating a concept of God which is not compatible with most scriptures then knocking it down. God, when described accurately, is untouchable by science.

to scoot this back to topic- einstein's problem was that the god of the bible lived in the heavens.(the sky) the "childish" stories of mythology is what einstein objected to.

the common idea of god in today's america is evolved to the point of it possibly being an entity in a dimension outside our own, which is what you'd have to say after humans found there are no bearded men or winged angels in the clouds. there is no rabbit on the moon. but there could be a mystical rabbit in another dimension. see how that works?

 

[torchbearer]

Just to follow up on my last post. I first asked you, "Did "God" always exist?", to which you replied, "Not in time."
Well here's the American Heritage Dictionary's definition of "always":


So the word "always" inherently involves the concept of time.

see post #99

 

[1stAmendguy]

But the point is a knowledge base mankind by our nature are incapable of understanding. I'm not lumping you anywhere, I am saying given the hypothesis of the existence of realities we cannot comprehend, you can't disprove God's existence.

Atheism is the null hypothesis and you need to understand that. The burden of of proof is on you to convince me of God's existence not the other way around.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Just to follow up on my last post. I first asked you, "Did "God" always exist?", to which you replied, "Not in time."
Well here's the American Heritage Dictionary's definition of "always":


So the word "always" inherently involves the concept of time.

As I said, you are confusing time with eternity. I keep trying to separate the two and you keep confusing them.

 

[Sola_Fide]

to scoot this back to topic- einstein's problem was that the god of the bible lived in the heavens.(the sky) the "childish" stories of mythology is what einstein objected to.

the common idea of god in today's america is evolved to the point of it possibly being an entity in a dimension outside our own, which is what you'd have to say after humans found there are no bearded men or winged angels in the clouds. there is no rabbit on the moon. but there could be a mystical rabbit in another dimension. see how that works?

If Einstein or you think that the Bible's conception is that "God lives in the clouds", then you're both wrong. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

 

[1stAmendguy]

That's just absurd. We are subject to certain rules, but when it comes to God you can throw all of them out for the hell of it.

Exactly, the actions of God in the Bible are not consistent. For instance, the miracles documented contradict universal laws that he supposedly set up. If the miracles were true that would undermine all scientific understanding and it shows that he is not the unchanging God that he claims but a very tentative random one.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Exactly, the actions of God in the Bible are not consistent. For instance, the miracles documented contradict universal laws that he supposedly set up. If the miracles were true that would undermine all scientific understanding and it shows that he is not the unchanging God that he claims but a very tentative random one.

How is that a contradiction at all?

 

[1stAmendguy]

How is that a contradiction at all?

It shows that God defies his own laws of physics. If these stories are true then tell me what is the use of science at all if God can just discard his "rules". This is along the lines of Euthyphro's Dilemma, are morally good acts willed by God because they are morally good, or are they morally good because they are willed by God?

When we murder it's wrong by our standards but God allegedly sends an angel to kill 185,000 people and you call it "his plan". So essentially God is tentative and can do whatever he wants because he is God and this God does not stick by any certain principles this is very problematic.

 

[torchbearer]

If Einstein or you think that the Bible's conception is that "God lives in the clouds", then you're both wrong. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

where will you go to be with your god?
how did the people in the old testament get to their god?
a flying chariot.

 

[torchbearer]

2 Kings
2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.



sounds like Elijah went into space to be with god?

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

2 Kings
2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.



sounds like Elijah went into space to be with god?

Someone better tell the Soviets they lost the space race before they even existed.

 

[torchbearer]

6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. 18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the Lord, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha

and no matter how immense the universe is- god always has some time to blind some bitches for his pal.

I have about 21 other passages that i can add to this topic

 

[torchbearer]

Someone better tell the Soviets they lost the space race before they even existed.

Hebrews in space?

 

[torchbearer]

i think its important to find the meaning of all this stuff we are in... so i'm sorry if i'm coming of like an a-hole. i really do mean it with good intentions. the problems i pose are the problems i've seen along my journey.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

Or abducted by Martians.

I can't prove Martians exist, and you can't disprove them. But I do have a book called the Martian Chronicles, so I win! Martians exist.

 

[tttppp]

That's sort of the point isn't it? If God were subjected to what we're subjected to how is that a God? You seem more interested in using strawman arguments, creating a concept of God which is not compatible with most scriptures then knocking it down. God, when described accurately, is untouchable by science.

And so is zero=infinity. You don't need our current laws or God for the universe to exist. Yet you guys continue to argue that we have to have certain laws, but God is magic and not subject to these rules.

 

[torchbearer]

I just realized God has a stable of flaming steeds at his disposal. my head hurts.
that didn't stick out to me until i reread it several times.

 

[tttppp]

No...I'm just presenting the God of the Universe to you as the Bible describes Him. You don't have to like it or agree with it. There are many anthropomorphic, time-dependent conceptions of gods out there that you can critique, like Mormonism. But Biblical Christianity isn't affected by the criticism.

I'm just pointing out a common hypocritcal argument made by religious people. In the real world things have to follow certain laws according to them, but with God, no logic is needed. Just accept that God is magic.