Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, working out with friend, called Boston Bombs "crazy" and "tragedies"

[RickyJ]

The MIT attack is what led to the shootout where the oldest one was killed (his home was in Cambridge- home of MIT). They were in a 7-11 store which was robbed (not by them) and identified when they were checking the security tape from the robbery. After being spotted by the MIT security guard who was shot, they carjacked a car and were chased by police until they crashed and a shoot-out ensued. Both were wounded. Police were able to grab the older one and were handcuffing him when the younger one jumped back into the car driving towards the police. In the process, he drove over his own brother, dragging him a ways. The older brother was tried to be resucitated but that failed and he was pronounced dead- the younger one was later found in the boat the next night.

That's a nice story, the question is why do you believe any of it?

 

[Ranger29860]

That's a nice story, the question is why do you believe any of it?

Even though some of the facts are wrong in zippy's summary I know what your after. Why do you believe any official report? Well I feel I can awsner that. I heard all this unfold live on the police scanner that night and all through the next day.

 

[RickyJ]

You right if that was what happened! But it wasn't. I just happened to be listening to the scanner when all this started and this is how events proceeded based on memory how I remember it ,and how the two 7/11's got confused.

Event # 1 - Large group of kids outside of another kids house with bats wanting to fight him, sister reporting it to 911.
Event #2 - Armed robbery at a 7/11 suspect a black male early 20's wearing a cowboy hat.
Event #3 - Shots fired at MIT officer down. This event went on a while as they started investigation. 1hr+
Event #4 - Woman reporting car was hijacked and she was dropped off at a 7/11 (this is a second location) It was not reported over the radio that they told her they were the bombers.
Event #5 - They track the gps of car and start pursuit. Cops start taking heavy fire from suspect car. While still holding mic down officer is heard swerving hard as explosions occur. Then all hell breaks loose. Officer starts yelling they have explosives and then their car stops ,it sounds like a war zone (this is the incident where the second officer is hurt and the first suspect is killed). All this was over a live police scanner and was quite scary .
Event #6 - complete chaos on the scanner , officer down is called for second time that night, and a police suv is reported stolen and has driven off.m

After that the press gets involved so the rest is pretty well covered by them.

Scanner feed can't be faked? Come on, you heard what the police wanted you to hear.

 

[Ranger29860]

Scanner feed can't be faked? Come on, you heard what the police wanted you to hear.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Show me it was faked.

 

[WhistlinDave]

I think they are saving those segments of video for the trial.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...bings-video-backpack-20130421,0,3229386.story

WASHINGTON -- Surveillance video shows captured bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev setting his backpack down at the Boston Marathon’s finish line, waiting for the first bomb to go off and then moving away from the backpack before the second explosion, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick said Sunday.

Patrick said he had not seen the tapes but had been briefed on them. He said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that the video puts 19-year-old Tsarnaev at the scene of the attack.

“It does seem to be pretty clear that this suspect took the backpack off, put it down, did not react when the first explosion went off and then moved away from the backpack in time for the second explosion,” Patrick said. “It’s pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling, frankly.”

Wait a minute... I keep hearing the second half of this, the quote of what Governor Patrick says about the video that we are told exists that clearly proves he planted a bomb, and lots of people are using this quote asserting that the video exists, and yet just above that in the same article it states this guy has not seen the video himself?!?!? WTF is that??

In a court of law that would be called "hearsay." I was briefed on Santa Claus as a child and even received physical gifts from him but that doesn't mean he exists. Until I see it, I am not going to take someone's word for it.

Secondly, if the video does get released, great! That's what a lot of people are clamoring for. I'm leaning toward believing the kid probably did set down a backpack that exploded. That still does not prove he and his brother acted alone, or that the FBI didn't have an operative who cultivated them and provided them information, instructions, and/or resources to help formulate their plan, as the FBI has done so many other times.

So, just for the record, if and when that video is released, it may prove the guilt of the suspect, but what it does not do is exonerate our government from being involved somehow (or at least having foreknowledge and failing to prevent it either deliberately or through negligence).

 

[Zippyjuan]

So, just for the record, if and when that video is released, it may prove the guilt of the suspect, but what it does not do is exonerate our government from being involved somehow (or at least having foreknowledge and failing to prevent it either deliberately or through negligence).

That would seem to imply that the government knows what every person intends to do. I don't give them that much credit.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Event #6 - complete chaos on the scanner , officer down is called for second time that night, and a police suv is reported stolen and has driven off.

That solves another mystery. There was a thread that said that a Police SUV ran over the one brother. People assumed a cop was driving it. So the one brother stole a Police SUV and drive over his brother (accidentally, in the smoke and confusion)?

 

[AngryCanadian]

The post-event behavior of the younger brother is not at all consistent with that of a guilty party in a high-profile terror attack.

I tend to Agree usual a person who is guilty he would make a quick clean get away. And can someone explain the boat? why is there boat in Boston where there are no rivers? nor a lake?

 

[Ranger29860]

I tend to Agree usual a person who is guilty he would make a quick clean get away. And can someone explain the boat? why is there boat in Boston where there are no rivers? nor a lake?

Yeah cause that tea got dumped on the ground

 

[PaulConventionWV]

To be fair, that presupposes they are guilty.

It's a hypothetical. "They may have", not "they did."

 

[Ranger29860]

That solves another mystery. There was a thread that said that a Police SUV ran over the one brother. People assumed a cop was driving it. So the one brother stole a Police SUV and drive over his brother (accidentally, in the smoke and confusion)?

I think that is what will come out in the end. But honestly in all that confusion a cop could have ran him over. It will probably take a while to get a full account of what happened.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

It's a hypothetical. "They may have", not "they did."

"They may have expected to ...." is a hypothetical that presupposes guilt in a previous event. (to be fair)

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Its a plastic bag that the old lady to picture left of it dropped and the girl to the right of her put her purse on top. Most people thought that was the bomb but when more and more pictures came out it showed the timeline of those two bags.

People on these forums are making a huge mistake (I dont blame them). You are all looking for rational thought in an irrational action. It is not normal or rational to set off a bomb in a crowded area with kids in it. It also does not seem rational to stick around afterwords. But it looks like they did. Now without there testimony on why we can not possible understand why they thought it was rational, we can only guess. Which leads us all to making outrageous jumps in logic to attempt to make things seem rational from our point. Some people are having a harder time at that than others and that causes people to jump to conclusions. Like "If his school was 60 miles away why would drive out there and then come back to Boston? That makes not sense so it must be a lie or he never did the bombing." All that is, is someone trying to rationalize an action even though they really cant.

We can guess all day as to why they did it or how but we may never know. Even with a full trial things like that may never come out depending on what he wants to say. I just implore my fellow forum members to back off of trying to explain everything or understand everything in the immediate aftermath of a situation and jumping to conclusions. It neither makes us look good as a group nor sane. (even though it is perfectly natural for us to seek out answers even if there is no possibility of getting right)

To make a note, 60 miles isn't that far, especially for an event like the Boston marathon. People drive much farther to participate, so it doesn't seem unreasonable that a crazy person might travel 60 miles in order to "make a splash", as it were, by setting off a bomb at a very prestigious athletic event.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I tend to Agree usual a person who is guilty he would make a quick clean get away. And can someone explain the boat? why is there boat in Boston where there are no rivers? nor a lake?

LOL

I honestly don't think the presence of a suspicious boat has anything to do with it being a government plot, if that's what you're suggesting. My jury's still out on whether it's a government op, but it's not like the government needs you to believe he hid in a boat for the story to hold true. It could just as easily have been something else.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

"They may have expected to ...." is a hypothetical that presupposes guilt in a previous event. (to be fair)

Ok, you want a trophy?

 

[Zippyjuan]

I tend to Agree usual a person who is guilty he would make a quick clean get away. And can someone explain the boat? why is there boat in Boston where there are no rivers? nor a lake?

Check the map. Tons of water in the area. From oceans to lakes to rivers. But some recreational boaters are willing to travel hundreds of miles to sail.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q...a=X&ei=ObF1Ub_jEoHT0wH7zICQBw&ved=0CC4Q8gEwAA

 

[Aratus]

y'all in west virginny have lots of streams, brooks & rivers but way less ponds, lakes and/or swampy coastal areas.

sometimes we 'uns often purchase boats up here to boast to the neighbors about but only rarely use them, anyway.

why would a Canadian who is aware of all the islands in the St. Lawrence ask us about why we buy boats + yachts.

 

[Zippyjuan]

To make a note, 60 miles isn't that far, especially for an event like the Boston marathon. People drive much farther to participate, so it doesn't seem unreasonable that a crazy person might travel 60 miles in order to "make a splash", as it were, by setting off a bomb at a very prestigious athletic event.

I have worked with people who drove that far every day.

 

[TheTexan]

You don't move on with life as normal less than a week out from bombing the Boston Marathon. You remain alert to any change in the situation and have your escape plan ready to go.

You do if youre a highly trained operative. Didnt you ever watch Bourne supremacy or jack bauer etc ;p

 

[anaconda]

You right if that was what happened! But it wasn't. I just happened to be listening to the scanner when all this started and this is how events proceeded based on memory how I remember it ,and how the two 7/11's got confused.

Event # 1 - Large group of kids outside of another kids house with bats wanting to fight him, sister reporting it to 911.
Event #2 - Armed robbery at a 7/11 suspect a black male early 20's wearing a cowboy hat.
Event #3 - Shots fired at MIT officer down. This event went on a while as they started investigation. 1hr+
Event #4 - Woman reporting car was hijacked and she was dropped off at a 7/11 (this is a second location) It was not reported over the radio that they told her they were the bombers.
Event #5 - They track the gps of car and start pursuit. Cops start taking heavy fire from suspect car. While still holding mic down officer is heard swerving hard as explosions occur. Then all hell breaks loose. Officer starts yelling they have explosives and then their car stops ,it sounds like a war zone (this is the incident where the second officer is hurt and the first suspect is killed). All this was over a live police scanner and was quite scary .
Event #6 - complete chaos on the scanner , officer down is called for second time that night, and a police suv is reported stolen and has driven off.

After that the press gets involved so the rest is pretty well covered by them.

So the bombing suspects never went inside a 7-11, nor appear on any 7-11 surveillance tapes? Or, did they go in for a Big Gulp at the 7-11 where the carjack victim was dropped off? Nice that they drove her to a 7-11 to drop her off, rather than just pulling over to the side of the street and having her exit the vehicle.