Dutch Libertarian Party joining the elections, running on a Ron Paul-like platform

[MrDauven]

Hey RonRules,

In the Netherlands every political party will get atleast 4x 5 minutes of time for a television ad to show to an audience of approx. 1 million viewers.
This is because of the government owned public media.
The Media has also been giving a lot of attention (relatively speaking) to new political parties, where we have been mentioned a few times too.
So it is not like the media is blocking us out or anything.

What I am really looking forward is that we can buy a load of flyers like the one luctor-et-emergo translated and throw them in people their mailboxes.
These flyers are like 1 cent each and if we can strategically get them out we will surely be able to get 1 seat.
If we as a new party get 1 seat, the media will totally report us until everyone knows of it.
In the Netherlands, even parties with just 1 or 2 seats can get an insane load of media attention.
The Party for the Animals is a good example of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pvdd

Problem we have though is that we only got around 8000 euro, and that is not enough to do all the campaigning we want to do.
We lost +10k on joining the elections, if we get to the 1 seat however we will get it back and will be able to do more the next election.

@One Last Battle! hey,

I would say in the UK the UKIP has been doing very well. They currently have 12 of the 73 EU Parlement for the UK and some polls show they will beat the UK liberals, having +12% of the votes.

In Poland you have Congress of the New Right, which is a libertarian party that got 1,06% of the vote last election.
If we could get 1,06% of the vote we would have around 1 to 2 seats.

 

[RonRules]

What I am really looking forward is that we can buy a load of flyers like the one luctor-et-emergo translated and throw them in people their mailboxes.

I do realize that you have state-controlled media, but don't forget that libertarianism is really anti-state. They may play your information, but the comments in between will be strongly against it.

Also, a minor thing that my not apply to Holland. In the US, the post office officially "owns" the mail box, even though may have paid for it and installed it. Nobody besides the post office is allowed to put stuff in it. Just check that it's not the same thing in the Netherlands.

 

[Demigod]

Good for you where I come from we have 2 major political parties both of which are socialistic although one is nationalistic a little as well .Then we have around 4 small political parties that are all socialists as well.And last come the minority parties from which one basically wants to start a war and is socialist of course .

The left - right battle of course is always present.


The cards are stacked as hell for a liberty revolution but I think that in 1-2 years a small organization or a political party can be formed and start with education ,at the moment there are simply no numbers nor finances to start one.

The EU interference or 50+ years of socialism don't help either.

 

[MrDauven]

I do realize that you have state-controlled media, but don't forget that libertarianism is really anti-state. They may play your information, but the comments in between will be strongly against it.

Also, a minor thing that my not apply to Holland. In the US, the post office officially "owns" the mail box, even though may have paid for it and installed it. Nobody besides the post office is allowed to put stuff in it. Just check that it's not the same thing in the Netherlands.

They call it "zendtijd voor politieke partijen" meaing airtime for political parties. They run it around 6 PM, 5 minutes before the news.
They cannot throw in comments so we're safe on that part.

About the mailing. Most people have a slot in their house where the post can be pushed through.
And there is no law that forbids political parties from delivering flyers, we've already checked that out.

In our country the elections aren't as big of a deal as in the USA. I mean a budget of 1,2 million euros on 17 million people is nothing compared to the 1 billion in the 320 million people in the USA, right?

@Demigod
That is bad, where do you live if I may ask?

 

[fatjohn]

Also don't spam your facebook. I liked it (Belgian living in the netherlands) when I saw it, but since i had too many messages of the page. Not super much but tone it down a little. Veel succes verder!

 

[trey4sports]

might be a bit off-topic but i really liked Lilyhammer.

 

[MrDauven]

Hey guys, this is an interesting interview with our party leader Toine Manders.
It is in english.
http://www.libertarischepartij.nl/2012/08/logos-radio-network-interviews-toine-manders/

 

[One Last Battle!]

Is it actually likely that you'll get 1% or more? Looking at the polls, your party isn't even polled as an option

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Is it actually likely that you'll get 1% or more? Looking at the polls, your party isn't even polled as an option

Depends what you think is likely, but it's certainly possible, I'm not going to bet on it, but I think there's a very good chance.
There have been a number of other parties to start out with nothing.

It will be hard to get a larger percentage without previously having won a single seat.
But winning one or a couple of seats should be possible when starting out with none.

I have not been interested in politics since the last Libertarian leaning party I voted for 4 years ago raised my taxes, openly.
I know I'm not the only one that thinks about it that way.
A lot of people want to get OUT of the EU, or at least part of it. The only parties that are against the EU, believe it or not; The 'Socialist Party' and the 'Freedom Party' (national socialists). So a Libertarian option that's against the EU, I'd say is very attractive to a lot of people.

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[luctor-et-emergo]

Hey guys, this is an interesting interview with our party leader Toine Manders.
It is in english.
http://www.libertarischepartij.nl/2012/08/logos-radio-network-interviews-toine-manders/

Good interview, I can recommend listening to it.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

One-month-pre-election-bump.

 

[MrDauven]

Dear liberty friends,

We finally have a Paypal donation button up on our website. http://www.libertarischepartij.nl
It is on the right side, when you scroll down under the header "DONEER VIA PAYPAL".

We are currently in need of atleast 1000 euro for a secret action that could give us an insane amount of media coverage.
In the last 12 hours we got around 300-500 euro for the action but we still need more.

I will report back later and show you guys pictures when the event has taken place.

Kind regards,
H. Dauven

 

[MrDauven]

*delete*

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Donated 30 euro's a moment ago.

Let's get some change in The Hague.

 

[MrDauven]

Donated 30 euro's a moment ago.

Let's get some change in The Hague.

Great!
Every buck is one we can use.
Tomorrow i'll be participating in a debate myself, hopefully to convert some minds to libertarianism.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Great!
Every buck is one we can use.
Tomorrow i'll be participating in a debat myself, hopefully to convert some minds to libertarianism.

Great, is there any way a recording of that debate could end up on the youtube channel ?
I bet that a real life debate is a good medium for winning over hearts and minds.
Good luck ! (who are you debating ?)

 

[MrDauven]

Great, is there any way a recording of that debate could end up on the youtube channel ?
I bet that a real life debate is a good medium for winning over hearts and minds.
Good luck ! (who are you debating ?)

I'm debating local candidates.
One from 50plus, SOPN and Netherland Local.
It will be broadcasted on 3ML and can be listened to via www.3ml.nl at their live stream between 12:00 and 13:00.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

I'm debating local candidates.
One from 50plus, SOPN and Netherland Local.
It will be broadcasted on 3ML and can be listened to via www.3ml.nl at their live stream between 12:00 and 13:00.

Great, I'll tune in.
I hope you get to make some good points.

 

[MrDauven]

Thursday, 30th of August our special event will take place in Amsterdam.
Not going to spoil too much, photos will follow.

Great, I'll tune in.
I hope you get to make some good points.

Did you get the chance to listen?
Sadly enough didn't get enough time to go deeper into details about certain economical principles.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Did you get the chance to listen?
Sadly enough didn't get enough time to go deeper into details about certain economical principles.

Yes I listened to the whole debate.You made some great points where you got to the principled argument behind the discussion, some other points that you couldn't finish, I got that, but the other people at the debate had the same problem.
Time is always short at debates, especially if you are a libertarian. But you did great with the time you got.


Good luck at the 'mystery' event.