Durham report finally released.

Posting for reference. Not sure if there's anything good in here (and not going to invest 6 hours to find out). Nothing-burger?

 
acptulsa said:
The MSM advertised the living shit out of him 24/7. We've told you that and told you that and told you that. When the Sunday morning blather shows had other candidates on, they asked them about Trump! All of them!

How many times do we have to answer the question? We've answered it so often we can even tell you how you respond, because we have working memories: He was too famous to ignore (which still doesn't explain why every other candidate had to answer questions about him, but okay...)
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Did CPUd want Trump elected? Did they want us to vote for him?

They were making multiple threads a day on Trump.
 
ClaytonB said:
Well, hold on. I was mostly not paying attention in 2016 but I clearly remember that everyone was saying that Trump would obviously lose to Hillary. It wasn't even a contest.
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So? Election fraud wasn't invented in 2020, was it?

If not (hint: It wasn't), then either they didn't care whether Clinton or Trump won (or didn't care enough to guard against the possibility their polls were wrong), or they threw it for Trump regardless of what they told us was going to happen.

Why? Can't say. Wasn't in the smoke-filled room. But if election fraud was invented before 2016, then...

dannno said:
Did CPUd want Trump elected? Did they want us to vote for him?

They were making multiple threads a day on Trump.
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Well if that "bad publicity" really was bad publicity, nobody could prove it by you.
 
acptulsa said:
So? Election fraud wasn't invented in 2020, was it?

If not (hint: It wasn't), then either they didn't care whether Clinton or Trump won (or didn't care enough to guard against the possibility their polls were wrong), or they threw it for Trump regardless of what they told us was going to happen.

Why? Can't say. Wasn't in the smoke-filled room. But if election fraud was invented before 2016, then...
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Yep, and that accurately described my own view up until about the end of 2019 right before COVID hit. By that time, I was starting to seriously question the "Swamp Calculus". Something is not working correctly. The equations are not crunching the right answers. One explanation which makes an awful lot of sense is "She was never supposed to lose", meaning, the Swamp sincerely threw the election to Hillary but then, for some reason unknown to them, it went to Trump instead, election-fraud be damned. This would explain an awful lot of the aberrant behavior among well-known Swamp characters since 2017-ish. What happens when you are in the most powerful group of people in the world ... second-place is so far behind you can't even see it in your rear-view mirror ... and then your system of power silently and mysteriously fails without explanation?

Is that what actually happened? Can't say, because I also was not in the smoke-filled back room. Nevertheless, it is one possibility and, in Clown World, it easily makes more sense than most of the other Kafka-esque narratives being served up to us on a daily basis. Is it proved? No, but I continue to keep watch...
 
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Yep, and that accurately described my own view up until about the end of 2019...
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Which makes me wonder why you say it makes my theory no good, but never mind. I'm afraid to ask.

Yes, they keep persecuting him. Seems to serve him well. That's when his poll numbers are best. DeSantis had almost caught up to him before they indicted him.

Meanwhile...

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Which makes me wonder why you say it makes my theory no good, but never mind. I'm afraid to ask.
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Well you're using standard Swamp Calculus -- Trump won in 2016, therefore, no matter how it "appears", that is because he was co-opted from the beginning and "they" threw the election to him. But this doesn't match up to reality broadly. Forget Trump himself, look at all their power-grab antics and how spectacularly they keep failing and even back-firing. COVID was the Big One... that was supposed to be the big takeover. It fizzled. You could say it's some kind 5-dimensional Swamp in-fighting but I don't think so. I think that the Swamp is much less competent than we give them credit for and, since 2017, I question whether they actually have any control at all. Perhaps the Swamp just wants us to believe they control everything so we won't try to change things. As long as we don't change anything, they get to keep the status quo.

Meanwhile...

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I wish I could 100% back Trump but, for these and other reasons, I can't. I remain watchful and hopeful. I hope that Q-theory is correct (about the Swamp) and I hope that the signs that the Swamp has been blind-sided by something bigger than them are correct. I think 2024 will be quite revealing on both of these questions...
 
ClaytonB said:
Forget Trump himself, look at all their power-grab antics and how spectacularly they keep failing and even back-firing.
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How could I possibly have missed it? Between the constant coverage, and the giddy joy of Republicans every time they make Trump look like he has that Reagan Teflon®, it has been hard to ignore. Republicans seem to particularly enjoy living vicariously through him, because they get busted more all the time in this creeping tyranny, and they don't get off.

Like I told dannno, it's always good for his poll numbers against DeSantis and whoever.
 
acptulsa said:
How could I possibly have missed it? Between the constant coverage, and the giddy joy of Republicans every time they make Trump look like he has that Reagan Teflon®, it has been hard to ignore. Republicans seem to particularly enjoy living vicariously through him, because they get busted more all the time in this creeping tyranny, and they don't get off.

Like I told dannno, it's always good for his poll numbers against DeSantis and whoever.
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OK, but you keep going back to the Swamp Calculus. What I am suggesting is a much more extreme possibility. Perhaps you're not ready to seriously entertain that possibility, yet, but that's what I'm suggesting: they're not in control anymore, at all, and they've known that since at least 2017. By "they", I mean the whole Swamp, both D-Swamp and R-Swamp, even the people whose names we've never heard who used to be "the string-pullers". The hypothesis that they simply don't have their hands on the levers of power anymore is becoming more and more believable with every passing news-cycle, and the alternative hypotheses less and less believable.
 
ClaytonB said:
OK, but you keep going back to the Swamp Calculus. What I am suggesting is a much more extreme possibility. Perhaps you're not ready to seriously entertain that possibility, yet, but that's what I'm suggesting: they're not in control anymore, at all, and they've known that since at least 2017. By "they", I mean the whole Swamp, both D-Swamp and R-Swamp, even the people whose names we've never heard who used to be "the string-pullers". The hypothesis that they simply don't have their hands on the levers of power anymore is becoming more and more believable with every passing news-cycle, and the alternative hypotheses less and less believable.
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Okay...

And yet the media is still propaganda, Hunter still gets off even on gun charges, they can still find six billion between the Pentagon's couch cushions, Bohbert still can't get her articles of impeachment through, the money printers are still making us poor, the government is still peddling a deadly mRNA gene therapy...

No, the news cycles passing by me show me signs they're preparing to swing that pendulum back just a bit. Which I'm sure they feel they can afford, given the gains they've made during the 21st century. But it seems to me the devil still seems to have a lever or two to play with.
 
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acptulsa said:
Okay...

And yet the media is still propaganda, Hunter still gets off even on gun charges, they can still find six billion between the Pentagon's couch cushions, Bohbert still can't get her articles of impeachment through, the money printers are still making us poor, the government is still peddling a deadly mRNA gene therapy...
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The difference in our outlook is that I could not possibly be less interested in what they're "getting away with" because, well, they're not. They certainly think they are, and it definitely feels like they are. In point of fact, they are not. Every single penny will be accounted for. Judgment Day is coming, for real.

No, the news cycles passing by me show me signs they're preparing to swing that pendulum back just a bit. Which I'm sure they feel they can afford, given the gains they've made during the 21st century. But it seems to me the devil still seems to have a lever or two to play with.
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Perhaps. In every good action movie, there comes a point where the hero has to decide whether to "make the leap" or not. Tackle the villain. Stab the dragon. Catch the falling damsel. And so on. At some point, we're going to have to decide whether the dragon has lost enough blood to risk a leap for an attack on the jugular. Is there real risk? Always. But at some point, we'll have delayed as long as it can be reasonably delayed and we're just going to have to risk losing everything to attempt that fatal blow.
 
acptulsa said:
Well if that "bad publicity" really was bad publicity, nobody could prove it by you.
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I just wanted your opinion on CPUd. I think they hated Trump, thought there was no way he could win, then they were embarrassed and angry after he won and left the forum. They posted more threads on Trump than anybody all time, or at least 10x the rate. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar. But I still am curious about your opinion.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Wonder if Trump is going to fix the FISA court if he gets elected?

(Well, I mean fix it again...)


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/954456754137501697
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No, he won't. But the usual suspects who posted thread after thread after thread about how Trump was going to end surveillance will say so all over again.


This is how Trump actually feels about it:
Today, I signed into law S. 139, “FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act of 2017” (the “Act”). The Act reauthorizes Title VII of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act until December 31, 2023, and makes a number of amendments to current law. Section 702 of Title VII allows the Intelligence Community, under a robust regime of oversight by all three branches of Government, to collect critical intelligence on international terrorists, weapons proliferators, and other important foreign intelligence targets located outside the United States.

This intelligence is vital to keeping the Nation safe. As shown by the recent attacks in New York City and elsewhere around the globe, we face a constant threat from foreign terrorist networks and other foreign actors who would do us harm. In order to detect and prevent attacks before they happen, we must be able to intercept the communications of foreign targets who are reasonably believed to possess foreign intelligence information. Section 702 provides the necessary authority, and it has proven to be among the Nation’s most effective foreign intelligence tools. It has enabled our Intelligence Community to disrupt numerous plots against our citizens at home and our warfighters abroad, and it has unquestionably saved American lives. The Act I have signed today preserves and extends this critically important national security tool.

Section 702 provides robust privacy protections for American citizens, and most importantly prohibits the Government from using it to target Americans and persons located in the United States. Only foreigners located abroad may be targeted for surveillance under section 702. While every court to have considered section 702 has found it to be legal and consistent with the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, the Act establishes additional procedures to further protect the privacy of Americans whose communications are incidentally collected under section 702. Among these is a new requirement that in a predicated criminal investigation — an investigation with an elevated factual foundation — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) apply for and obtain an order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court before accessing the contents of section 702 — acquired communications that were retrieved using certain United States person “query” terms. By applying this provision only to certain queries in investigations unrelated to national security, the Act preserves the FBI’s ability to “connect the dots” and look for national security-related threats, especially during the critical pre‑investigation phase when it often does not yet have enough information to know whether a suspected threat relates to national security. Although the Fourth Amendment does not require a court order to query information lawfully collected under section 702 — information already lawfully in the Government’s possession — this new procedure, along with the Act’s other oversight and transparency requirements, provides further privacy safeguards, while preserving the operational effectiveness of our foreign intelligence collection efforts.

I would have preferred a permanent reauthorization of Title VII to protect the safety and security of the Nation. By signing this Act today, however, I am ensuring that this lawful and essential intelligence program will continue to protect Americans for at least the next 6 years. We cannot let our guard down in the face of foreign threats to our safety, our freedom, and our way of life.



DONALD J. TRUMP
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