Drug Users: Sub-human, second-class citizens?

[revned]

As far as the "escaping" bit goes; I actually find that I think more logically while high on marijuana than I would if I were sober. I base this off of how I can be in a predicament and be stressed out, angry, and fed-up, then I smoke a bit and stop caring about all the nonsense that even makes me mad to begin with.

I have also formed a theory, along with the help of my girlfriend who has a psycholgy degree, that using psychedelics could actually bring our physical bodies closer to reality than we ever are when we are sober. This is all based on the fact that our perceptions and senses as humans are not 100% in-tune with our reality. Everything we see before us is only seen because of how light is reflected and what we feel and sense otherwise is only sensed because we are vibrating at similar frequency within the known universe and dimensions. However, when one is tripping on psychedelics he or she is able to see and experience things which have never been seen or experienced before. Another theory to help explain some of the phenomena that happen during one of these experiences is the quantum physics theory which suggests that what we see before us is only an illusion of a phsyical reality. Much like the patterns or 'trails' that we see while on a psychedelic, our phsyical realities are not set in place or 'concrete' but rather everything before us has always been before us and every possible place around us as well. We have come to the conclusion while experiencing several trips ourselves, that during these experiences our brains unlock previously unused areas and work in ways it never has before, which is a scientifically-backed fact. This conclusion led us to the theory that our brains could very-well be vibrating at higher or lower frequencies, thus allowing us to see and experience other dimensions in some cases even time/space travelling and meeting other-worldly/dimensional entities. Of course, I don't belive this as fact, but I do wonder about the possibility.

Psychedelics have a history for being known as the kind of drug that you want to take for seeing things how they truly are. Psychedelics also make critical thinking not-so-critical and actually fun -- well, maybe not so much fun as interesting. LSD for instance, has the great ability of allowing us to sort out our life's problems from a different perspective. Many people I have had the pleasure of trip-sitting for, have undeniable revelations about their family and life in general. I have also often heard people say that they will not take psychedlics such as LSD because it presents them with all of their life's problems and they cannot handle the stress -- maybe that's the point, though. LSD has this wonderful effect of forcing a person come to terms with how things are and showing them when things are wrong subconsciously, which makes it great for treating addictions and making a person aware of other bad behavior or habits. So in this sense, psychedlics actually take reality to a whole new level.

I know I didn't cover everything as some of the concepts that hold my theory together are hard for me to explain in words and aren't necessarily accurate -- neither are the ones I used -- , but I did wanna give it a shot at explaining my understanding anyway.

 

[Chrysamere]

pretty much how they should be, stupid people who made stupid choices for the most part. Some exceptions are people who were forced to take drugs against their will, but otherwise, they're people who choose to break a law they know existed (even if the law was stupid to begin with). I don't believe in criminalizing drug use as in, I don't believe in providing free shelter for losers, but I don't believe the popular alternative of rehabbing is better, as it would create the impression that making self destructive mistakes is ok and we will clean up for your mess. So if I had a choice between leaving drug users alone, and criminalizing them, I prefer leaving them alone. But if I had to choose between paying to fix them and paying to worsen them, I prefer the latter (assuming the cost is the same).

So you hate these people just for being weak? They don't even deserve shelter because they've made a mistake? They don't deserve help because well.. fuck them? You would rather pay to harm someone than pay to help someone?

To me, you are a weak loser and a pathetic human being, but I would still help you if you needed help, I would still shelter you if you needed shelter, and I would never try to harm you, let alone pay to have you harmed.

You are also a hypocrite, every human being on this planet engages in some sort of self destructive behavior, I'm pretty sure that makes you a weak stupid loser by your own standards too.

Maybe you can tell me what better function it serves, because I seriously don't know.

Smoke a joint to relax, take some MDMA to really feel love, take a psy substance to expand your mind, plenty of reasons to use drugs.

 

[vechorik]

Aspirin, caffeine, chocolate...

Splitting hairs, aren't we?

I don't understand drug users. I like the "natural me" best.
I tried drinking, pot, etc. and was usually a goofy jerk.
I LIKE natural! It feels better than anything!
I could give up aspirin, coffee and chocolate, but why? -- it tastes good and serves a purpose,
plus it allows the natural me to still come through.

Perhaps non-drug users, such as myself, can't understand drug users
except to feel sorry for them and wonder what they are running away from (within them) or toward (escape).
Nothing beats the here and now, just as I am. So maybe I'm weird!

 

[liberty2897]

I have also formed a theory, along with the help of my girlfriend who has a psycholgy degree, that using psychedelics could actually bring our physical bodies closer to reality than we ever are when we are sober. This is all based on the fact that our perceptions and senses as humans are not 100% in-tune with our reality. Everything we see before us is only seen because of how light is reflected and what we feel and sense otherwise is only sensed because we are vibrating at similar frequency within the known universe and dimensions. However, when one is tripping on psychedelics he or she is able to see and experience things which have never been seen or experienced before. Another theory to help explain some of the phenomena that happen during one of these experiences is the quantum physics theory which suggests that what we see before us is only an illusion of a phsyical reality. Much like the patterns or 'trails' that we see while on a psychedelic, our phsyical realities are not set in place or 'concrete' but rather everything before us has always been before us and every possible place around us as well. We have come to the conclusion while experiencing several trips ourselves, that during these experiences our brains unlock previously unused areas and work in ways it never has before, which is a scientifically-backed fact. This conclusion led us to the theory that our brains could very-well be vibrating at higher or lower frequencies, thus allowing us to see and experience other dimensions in some cases even time/space travelling and meeting other-worldly/dimensional entities. Of course, I don't belive this as fact, but I do wonder about the possibility.

I think this is much closer to the truth than some people would like to admit. I also believe that our everyday "non-drug" experience is further from reality in many ways than what is possible with psychedelics. This is a survival mechanism in my opinion. Our brains have developed to smooth out and filter many things that go on around us in order to shape events in a linear fashion. This probably helps in decision making, speculating on future events, etc. Good for survival, but not anything close to reality.

Of course, this goes against the old saying: "reality is for people who can't handle their drugs". Only speculation, but I'm pretty sure that is completely backwards.

 

[osan]

This can become a bit of a touchy subject, but I think the best way to interpret it is to walk in the others shoes, so to speak.

Acceptable, to a point. Much of the issue also turns on factors such as the poison in question and the stage of dependence. Anyone tolerating a methamphetamine user on his payroll deserves the trouble he gets. The properties and outcomes of that particular chemical are well documented and anyone addicted to it is most likely to bring those around him troubles they do not want. But the choice should still be the individual's - to drug or not - to employ or not. Were I an employer, I would not care that much whether people smoke pot or what have you so long as their performance on the job is up to snuff and depending on the nature of the job. I am more interested in performance than anything else, but in the case of hazardous duty where a man's error can get others injured of killed, I would likely reserve the right to test for drugs at my discretion. That employer prerogative and concern is so heavily circumscribed by the realities of suits and regulation is another question altogether.

I think that a majority of the anti-drug user perspective is fueled by the medias stereotypical portrayal of the average drug user, even with marijuana it will show that the drug user cannot function and will in turn fail as a member of society.

I cannot even imagine what this means conceptually, much less in real, functional terms. Can someone explain this in a way that produces a valid, reasonable, and truthful picture? Those five words, if taken in carefully, actually make no perceptible sense to me whatsoever. I am dead serious. They have absolutely ZERO meaning in any real and discernible terms. They do, however, carry with them a great raft of innuendo, suggesting badness, yet do so in ways that suggest nothing more than that, which is to say nothing concrete.

Drug users are portrayed as dependent not only on the substance they are using/abusing

You speak too broadly here with your implication that the perception is universally wrong. Or are you suggesting that heroin and meth addicts, for example, are not dependent and do not pose certain statistically measurable threats to others based solely on the outcomes of such use? That would not be credibly supportable IMO. In any event, I see all this as moot because people are free to drug or not and employers are free to reject prospects based on anything they please, including drug use status, race, mode of dress, or whether they find that their breath stinks. Freedom is not always pretty and must be accepted in all its forms or we are not free. It is as simple as that. Would I like to see "no negroes" or "no whites" signs on businesses? Not particularly, but respect for freedom demands tolerance of the rights of others to practice the dictates of their consciences no matter how others may feel about them.

 

[onlyrp]

Smoke a joint to relax, take some MDMA to really feel love, take a psy substance to expand your mind, plenty of reasons to use drugs.

None of these benefits outweigh the risks, side effects and criminal penalties. And in context of how it was brought up, these reasons are hardly inconsistent with the accusation they do so out of "escape"

 

[onlyrp]

You are also a hypocrite, every human being on this planet engages in some sort of self destructive behavior, I'm pretty sure that makes you a weak stupid loser by your own standards too.

What do you suppose my self destructive behavior is? Keep guessing, and when you find out, tell me it's the same as doing MDMA, heroine, cocaine, meth, opiate. Because I'm not perfect I must never judge other people. Because I can't say I've never lied or stolen, I have to be ok with murder and rape...right?

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Did you know that JESUS healed using cannabis?

Can I get Bible quotes on this?

 

[Lishy]

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html

Jesus used cannabis?

 

[getch36]

As far as the "escaping" bit goes; I actually find that I think more logically while high on marijuana than I would if I were sober. I base this off of how I can be in a predicament and be stressed out, angry, and fed-up, then I smoke a bit and stop caring about all the nonsense that even makes me mad to begin with.

I have also formed a theory, along with the help of my girlfriend who has a psycholgy degree, that using psychedelics could actually bring our physical bodies closer to reality than we ever are when we are sober. This is all based on the fact that our perceptions and senses as humans are not 100% in-tune with our reality. Everything we see before us is only seen because of how light is reflected and what we feel and sense otherwise is only sensed because we are vibrating at similar frequency within the known universe and dimensions. However, when one is tripping on psychedelics he or she is able to see and experience things which have never been seen or experienced before. Another theory to help explain some of the phenomena that happen during one of these experiences is the quantum physics theory which suggests that what we see before us is only an illusion of a phsyical reality. Much like the patterns or 'trails' that we see while on a psychedelic, our phsyical realities are not set in place or 'concrete' but rather everything before us has always been before us and every possible place around us as well. We have come to the conclusion while experiencing several trips ourselves, that during these experiences our brains unlock previously unused areas and work in ways it never has before, which is a scientifically-backed fact. This conclusion led us to the theory that our brains could very-well be vibrating at higher or lower frequencies, thus allowing us to see and experience other dimensions in some cases even time/space travelling and meeting other-worldly/dimensional entities. Of course, I don't belive this as fact, but I do wonder about the possibility.

Psychedelics have a history for being known as the kind of drug that you want to take for seeing things how they truly are. Psychedelics also make critical thinking not-so-critical and actually fun -- well, maybe not so much fun as interesting. LSD for instance, has the great ability of allowing us to sort out our life's problems from a different perspective. Many people I have had the pleasure of trip-sitting for, have undeniable revelations about their family and life in general. I have also often heard people say that they will not take psychedlics such as LSD because it presents them with all of their life's problems and they cannot handle the stress -- maybe that's the point, though. LSD has this wonderful effect of forcing a person come to terms with how things are and showing them when things are wrong subconsciously, which makes it great for treating addictions and making a person aware of other bad behavior or habits. So in this sense, psychedlics actually take reality to a whole new level.

I know I didn't cover everything as some of the concepts that hold my theory together are hard for me to explain in words and aren't necessarily accurate -- neither are the ones I used -- , but I did wanna give it a shot at explaining my understanding anyway.

Very interesting,and I agree with you.

 

[getch36]

So you hate these people just for being weak? They don't even deserve shelter because they've made a mistake? They don't deserve help because well.. fuck them? You would rather pay to harm someone than pay to help someone?

To me, you are a weak loser and a pathetic human being, but I would still help you if you needed help, I would still shelter you if you needed shelter, and I would never try to harm you, let alone pay to have you harmed.

You are also a hypocrite, every human being on this planet engages in some sort of self destructive behavior, I'm pretty sure that makes you a weak stupid loser by your own standards too.




Smoke a joint to relax, take some MDMA to really feel love, take a psy substance to expand your mind, plenty of reasons to use drugs.

The world needs more people like you and less onlyrp type's.I am MDMA's biggest fan,haven't done it in ten years though.I loved every experience I had with it and it's nice to find someone else who appreciates this wonderful substance.

 

[QuickZ06]

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html

Jesus used cannabis?

YES HE DID!

 

[Chrysamere]

None of these benefits outweigh the risks, side effects and criminal penalties. And in context of how it was brought up, these reasons are hardly inconsistent with the accusation they do so out of "escape"

Risks, side effects and criminal penalties? The drugs I listed have very little risk if used properly, they are not physically addictive, none of them have any long term or permanent side effects besides MDMA if it is severely abused. There are no criminal penalties here for possession or use, only for dealing.

Most people who take mind altering drugs take them not to escape from reality, but to enhance it. You know, have fun? If you talk about abuse of things like heroine, cocaine, meth, people who want to escape reality do fall into that pit more easily than others, but that doesnt mean everyone who tries them wants to escape reality.

Keep judging people all you want, I'm judging you too, I think you're a lowlife and a pathetic human being.

 

[onlyrp]

The world needs more people like you and less onlyrp type's.I am MDMA's biggest fan,haven't done it in ten years though.I loved every experience I had with it and it's nice to find someone else who appreciates this wonderful substance.

who doesn't appreciate an escape?

 

[onlyrp]

Most people who take mind altering drugs take them not to escape from reality, but to enhance it.

enough said.

 

[onlyrp]

Keep judging people all you want, I'm judging you too, I think you're a lowlife and a pathetic human being.

Like I care what a junk sympathizer thinks of me.

 

[AFPVet]

Don't look too hard for acid.. I always make sure I know the person I'm getting it from and I trust them and it has been tested out by someone.

If you get good acid, in my experience, it's almost impossible to have a bad trip, although I've never done more than 2 hits.

Bad acid can guarantee you have a bad trip, and can do permanent damage.

With mushrooms, I think the worse that can happen is you might get a little sick.

I believe the "bad acid" is cut with strict-9 which causes the brain to bleed; whereas, natural LSD is free of it.

 

[bolil]

Gee wouldn't it be nice if it were legal, so that people who are going to do it anyway can atleast be sure of what they are getting?

 

[onlyrp]

Gee wouldn't it be nice if it were legal, so that people who are going to do it anyway can atleast be sure of what they are getting?

Because knowing what they're getting isn't going to change their minds, and unless society is going to make them pay for their own mistakes, we're paying for it. If being locked up isn't enough motivation to not do something, what will?

 

[AFPVet]

People are going to go drugs (legal or illegal) regardless.... I agree that you might as well remove the legal ramifications and free the prisons up for the real criminals instead of housing non violent drug offenders. The private sector already enforces policies regarding drugs... we don't need the state to do it too.