DRUDGE: Obama's Birth Certificate Composed of Layers??

[Aratus]

the fact that its at a dot*gov site & that all the nice people who sent
his campaign people their email addresses to the merrie tune of
120,ooo,ooo souls by the fall of 2008 can be sent a NEW email
announcing this factoid gives him an edge in terms of public opinion.
i can remember the last 100 to 72 hours before the 2008 election when
richard cheney finally got around to accepting sen. john mccain as the
GOP nominee. barack obama's people sent out a neat spartan spam
email to the same said lucky 120,ooo,ooo souls with a word for word
repeat of the veep's epithany. the backlash from the big emailing
managed to swing the election away from the mccain/palin ticket.
as to why our veep at the time did not join the "W" in less than three
weeks after our ex-potus backed mccain happily is always a nifty question!

 

[FrankRep]

Karl Denninger, market-ticker.org, rejects Obama's "Birth Certificate"


http://market-ticker.org/


You've GOT To Be Kidding Me (Birth Certificate)

Oh do c'mon.... oh Donald, this case is not closed.

You can't possibly by serious.

This document has been altered and whoever did it wasn't even very clever in doing so.​

Oh C'mon #2 - AP Is Involved?

The AP has also released a "different version" of the document the White House released.

Guys, this is too freaking blatant.

Incidentally, the AP's version was flattened before being PDF'd. Too bad they forgot to do that on the *****house, er, Whitehouse copy.
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[ctiger2]

I work with Illustrator and Photoshop daily. If something is photographed or scanned (like a document) there is only 1 layer, and there can only be 1 layer.

If more then one layer exists, like in this case the lettering, background texture, and the other elements making up the image, it means this image was created or pieced together using Photoshop or some other graphic design program. Unbelievably amateur mistake if they wanted people to think this was an actual photograph or scan of the "original" document.

Bingo. It's a fraudulent document.

 

[WilliamC]

WELL...

Has the only thing released been a PDF file or has Obama actually held up the paper birth certificate itself?

Technically that's the question.

If, as is the most likely scenario, Obama's real, unfaked birth certificate were to be scanned and stored as a PDF file THEN when opened by Illustrator (which I have used) the PDF file can be imported as having layers or as being flattened, there is software control over this.

So whomever scanned the original may or may not have saved the PDF file as flattened or layered, it really doesn't suggest an attempt at deceit to me.

Besides, with the resources of the entire Federal Government behind him don't we all believe that Obama could, if needed, forge a birth certificate that would stand up to almost any reasonable legal test? Is anyone willing to ask to do forensic analysis of the ink and paper to verify its age and authenticity, or to subject it to electron microscopy and spectrophotometry?

While this is certainly a testable hypothesis, I personally don't feel compelled to follow up on it, and I'm glad Ron Paul has avoided this issue. I well remember the blowback he got from the media (mostly contrived mind you but nonetheless based in reality) from the association that was made between the 911 truthers since a disproportionate number of them vocally supported his campaign.

This is why I've never put much credence into the birth certificate issue, because it wouldn't be impossible to forge one to begin with, and because it seems to me by having a Keynan father WHO WASN"T HIMSELF A CITIZEN then Obama couldn't be natural born to begin with even if he were born in Hawaii. But as far as I know just because the above is how I interpret 'natural born' in no way makes this a legal opinion, the Courts can decide anyway they please.

Besides, it's better for Ron Paul to let the fallout from the birther issue fall on Trump and others and have the media use him to ask more substantive questions since they can't hang any of it on his campaign.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I work with Illustrator and Photoshop daily. If something is photographed or scanned (like a document) there is only 1 layer, and there can only be 1 layer.

If more then one layer exists, like in this case the lettering, background texture, and the other elements making up the image, it means this image was created or pieced together using Photoshop or some other graphic design program. Unbelievably amateur mistake if they wanted people to think this was an actual photograph or scan of the "original" document.

I think the confusion comes from claiming that there are "layers" to the image (the PDF is an image of the document, not the document itself) is not an accurate term. As you point out, you can use layers to create a document or image but the final image does not have those layers- they are combined into one. The exercise with "Illustrator" is not breaking it down to any layers it was created with- a layer mask is used to try to select out say a color which exists in the image itself. It is not pulling out any layers it might have been created with. You cannot take any document or photo and use Illustrator or Photoshop and identify how many layers an image was created using. Do a control- take a similiar looking document or image and apply the same technique to it. You will get the same results.

 

[Aratus]

potus can email his 120 million people and say it's dot*gov official. he counter-moved.
i expect that thahhhhhh donald may make a witty remark since he's stumping up in N.H
and that may spark an exchange publically like what we all are seeing in this very thread.
if ron paul does not immediately grab a microphone & holds back so as to hone his debating
skills for the upcoming MAY 5th SOUTH CAROLINA GOP debate, he can be dispassionately apt.

 

[AdamT]

I just examined the PDF in Illustrator and there are a least a dozen clipping paths (which have been grouped into at least 9 groups), reminiscent of having used a layered Photoshop file to create the paths to begin with (was likely exported from PS to the PDF file we all have). The very fact there is even a single clipping path screams tampering so loudly it's pretty much laughable, nevermind there are a lot of them which are then grouped haha...and will surely add fuel to the whole Birther controversy.

When you take a photograph or make a scan there is not a single clipping path. Someone took time to create the paths, whether as a result of a layered Photoshop document while building the fake document, or having separating an original flattened photo/scan into a layer/pathed PDF based on the various elements. Very odd.

Whatever CIA image manipulator created this work of art should be fired lol.

 

[Matt Collins]

Anyone have the PDF?

I think it's available on the White House website

 

[FrankRep]

I think it's available on the White House website

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

 

[speciallyblend]

I just examined the PDF in Illustrator and there are a least a dozen clipping paths (which have been grouped into at least 9 groups), reminiscent of having used a layered Photoshop file to create the paths to begin with (was likely exported from PS to the PDF file we all have). The very fact there is even a single clipping path screams tampering so loudly it's pretty much laughable, nevermind there are a lot of them which are then grouped haha...and will surely add fuel to the whole Birther controversy.

When you take a photograph or make a scan there is not a single clipping path. Someone took time to create the paths, whether as a result of a layered Photoshop document while building the fake document, or having separating an original flattened photo/scan into a layer/pathed PDF based on the various elements. Very odd.

Whatever CIA image manipulator created this work of art should be fired lol.

well then we should expect the gop leaders to push this and call it out. I still say it is a huge set up to be milked by the dems to call out republicans ,if i am wrong. then i expect the gop leadership to help call this out NOW!! but something tells me it is just a big distraction!!

the big news should be adam t calls out fake birth certificate on ron paul forums! If this is the case it should be breaking news in 24-48 hrs!!

 

[AdamT]

I just saw on a Lib site claiming when scanned, certain OCR (optical character recognition) software tries separating out the lettering from the background, which they are claiming created the layers/paths automatically. Hmm, not sure about that, I've never seen a PDF automatically do that. I guess you would have to know the exact process taken during to get to the PDF.

It's still extremely odd they wouldn't flatten the image before releasing it.

Denninger though seems to have found other signs of tampering.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185101

Who the F knows.

 

[speciallyblend]

I just saw on a Lib site claiming when scanned, certain OCR (optical character recognition) software tries separating out the lettering from the background, which they are claiming created the layers/paths automatically. Hmm, not sure about that, I've never seen a PDF automatically do that. I guess you would have to know the exact process taken during to get to the PDF.

It's still extremely odd they wouldn't flatten the image before releasing it.

Denninger though seems to have found other signs of tampering.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185101

Who the F knows.

hmmmmmm sigh

 

[dannno]

I just saw on a Lib site claiming when scanned, certain OCR (optical character recognition) software tries separating out the lettering from the background, which they are claiming created the layers/paths automatically. Hmm, not sure about that, I've never seen a PDF automatically do that. I guess you would have to know the exact process taken during to get to the PDF.

It's still extremely odd they wouldn't flatten the image before releasing it.

Denninger though seems to have found other signs of tampering.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185101

Who the F knows.

What does scanning the document have to do with optical character recognition software? Why on earth would they run the birth certificate through OCR? Or is that built into the PDF scanning software in order to try and create a pdf that has selectable text?

 

[Johnnymac]

Anyone actually give a shit

This +1

 

[AdamT]

What does scanning the document have to do with optical character recognition software? Why on earth would they run the birth certificate through OCR? Or is that built into the PDF scanning software in order to try and create a pdf that has selectable text?

Yeah might be built in.

 

[squarepusher]

the thing is, if the CIA/Feds did forge this, its the worst job in history. Like, a middle schooler could do better. So, whats up with that?

 

[Guitarzan]

the thing is, if the CIA/Feds did forge this, its the worst job in history. Like, a middle schooler could do better. So, whats up with that?

Maybe it's a trap? Either to keep the issue going because the Dems see this as a winning issue in the election....or maybe to keep Trumps polling #'s up. idk

 

[dannno]

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185101

Oh C'mon #2 - AP Is Involved?


The AP has also released a "different version" of the document the White House released.

Guys, this is too freaking blatant.

Incidentally, the AP's version was flattened before being PDF'd. Too bad they forgot to do that on the *****house, er, Whitehouse copy.

Heh AP - betcha you won't look at this!

Here's the AP's document snippet on the accepted date:

And now let's have the Whitehouse version:

Look closely at the date stamp. They're not aligned at the top. The error is small, but it's there. Also note the saturation problems in the Whitehouse version in the word "Date" and the fill on the "A".

The mystery deepens, but the evidence is even more damning than it was before: This "document" was tampered with.

 

[mello]

Here is a jpeg I made of the birth certificate with the layers turned off & on:

I don't understand the reasoning of this. I use Photoshop everyday & it looks like they used photoshop to cut the text out of the background layer & separate it for some reason. It doesn't make sense to me. First, Why do it at all? Second, Why didn't they grab all of the text & put it on the separate layers. They left letters & parts of words embedded into the background layer.

It's bizarre to me.

 

[Stary Hickory]

I just saw on a Lib site claiming when scanned, certain OCR (optical character recognition) software tries separating out the lettering from the background, which they are claiming created the layers/paths automatically. Hmm, not sure about that, I've never seen a PDF automatically do that. I guess you would have to know the exact process taken during to get to the PDF.

It's still extremely odd they wouldn't flatten the image before releasing it.

Denninger though seems to have found other signs of tampering.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185101

Who the F knows.

I saw what he said, it doesn't seem to me like there was tampering. Letters can be darker here and there, it happens. There is no way they would do am amatuer photo-shop job and release it to the public. Even if you were inclined to believe this thing is fake you would have to also think they are too stupid not to get a real paper document ready. I thin kthis is legit.

But it has no doctor or anything on it...anyways. I don't see the tampering on this one, or anything that cannot be explained as just being a little uneven ink distribution.


Ok this here http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallerynr=1575 is hard for me to explain...it does look fake as hell. But It seems odd that it would be. I don't know. This has gotten so ridiculous. Had this idiot just released the damn thing from the get go there would be no speculation.