Doug Wead Live At 9:00pm EST Via Facebook [Official Thread]

[tangent4ronpaul]

Not going to happen.

Why the hell not? I mean it's too late to get on the ballot in some states - like 8? and others have sore looser laws, so there is no way he can win, BUT he could get in debates and drop out right before the election n/ endorse Gary Johnson leading to a libertarian getting a much larger vote than otherwise.

Right now Garry Johnson will be marginalized and not invited to debates, but paul is a bigger name - harder to do that and make it a non-issue. If they do, Paul and Johnson could schedule their own debates and if Obama/Romney decline invitations - well, that's news. Televised debates! We could get people used to having 3 + political parties and make the liberty movement more legitimate. Get the message out to the people and when they realize they have a choice between holding their nose again, thy just might welcome a third choice...

His running third party would do a lot of good.

-t

 

[eleganz]

Why the hell not? I mean it's too late to get on the ballot in some states - like 8? and others have sore looser laws, so there is no way he can win, BUT he could get in debates and drop out right before the election n/ endorse Gary Johnson leading to a libertarian getting a much larger vote than otherwise.

His running third party would do a lot of good.

-t

Didn't think about it that way. It sounds great but doubt ron would do this. It would be even better for him to drop out and say watch Out for my son rand in 2016

 

[sailingaway]

Why the hell not? I mean it's too late to get on the ballot in some states - like 8? and others have sore looser laws, so there is no way he can win, BUT he could get in debates and drop out right before the election n/ endorse Gary Johnson leading to a libertarian getting a much larger vote than otherwise.

His running third party would do a lot of good.

-t

he should run for himself and for us. Gary doesn't bring to the table what Ron does. He'd have $39 million in matching funds, if he'd file for it, and he'd have us, and he would have name recognition if needed for write in campaigns in some states. I tend to agree with LE that it is unlikely to happen, but the RNC knows damned well it COULD happen. there aren't that many people who could snap their fingers and get $39 million to get out the message, running against Romney and Obama, that Romney wouldn't let him give a speech on at RNC.

 

[LibertyEagle]

he should run for himself and for us. Gary doesn't bring to the table what Ron does. He'd have $39 million in matching funds, if he'd file for it, and he'd have us, and he would have name recognition if needed for write in campaigns in some states. I tend to agree with LE that it is unlikely to happen, but the RNC knows damned well it COULD happen. there aren't that many people who could snap their fingers and get $39 million to get out the message, running against Romney and Obama, that Romney wouldn't let him give a speech on at RNC.

$39 Million is chump change when running a national campaign.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

He wants to build a movement. Wandering off to the sidelines to lick his wounds and be quietly ignored by the news media isn't the way to get his message out. Running third party IS!

-t

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I left the Doug Wead thingy, he left some time back, I guess, I didn't see him say "bye" or anything, no video, only FB comments/chat

 

[CPUd]

$39 million could win 1 or 2 states. Like Nevada or Virginia. He doesn't even have to do it, just the threat of it is enough.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

$39 Million is chump change when running a national campaign.

Yeah - but he still has a war chest, and if he ran, donations would come in. He's also got us. He just needs to be an attention whore and get every speaking/broadcast spot he can. Not worry about campaign ads, but rather use what money there is for information ads. Not simplistic bashing or self back patting, but real spots about real issues and why they matter. That's how you start a rEVOLution!

-t

 

[sailingaway]

$39 Million is chump change when running a national campaign.

Oh, I didn't say he'd WIN, but it is a heck of a lot more then they are used to seeing non major party candidates able to spend. It would definitely get out a message as long as, say, a 15 minute speech.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Oh, I didn't say he'd WIN, but it is a heck of a lot more then they are used to seeing non major party candidates able to spend. It would definitely get out a message as long as, say, a 15 minute speech.

If he did no fundraising, I'm betting that 39 Mil would buy the equivalent of all the talk time he got in all of the debates - broadcast nationally during prime time. Just look at what a shit storm his being in the debates caused.

He's got a quality media team, mix that up like the Grey State trailer and I could literally see all my neighbors jaws hit free fall. I mean about half the population don't even know they are being spied on because of the patriot act. TELL THEM!

That just as a minimum. He wouldn't even have to hit the campaign trail unless he got an invite to a debate or a talk show or did one of his own.

Think about it..

-t

 

[dillo]

I dont really get why people are putting eggs in the Rand basket. Don't get me wrong I love Rand, hes prolly the best Senator we have right now; But what makes you think theyll treat him any better. They didn't black out Ron because he is a bad guy, they blacked him out because of the message. The military industrial complex owns all the media in this country excluding the internet(a main reason they are trying so hard to cut it); I know Im rambling here but do you really think the GOP gives a shit about anything that isn't "kill brown peoples, libruls are socialists and all pot smokers are terrorists", Barry Goldwater warned of this.

The liberals pre 1980 were notoriously pro-war, they have stolen the GOP. The GOP heads are nothing more than pro-war statists. How can someone oppose welfare on the grounds that its socialist and then promote dropping bombs on villages of foreign nations. Thats just mind boggling to me that people eat that shit up.

Sorry for the rant, hoping for a miracle next week. But in any case spread the message of liberty and pray to whatever god you believe in that this country isn't lost yet.

 

[The Gold Standard]

If Ron wanted to run third party he would lose most of his team who have already told him to sit down and shut up while they count our money and suck up to Rand. Losing Benton would be a good thing, but he would probably lose most of the valuable help too, like the ad guys. I'm still all for it no matter what happens at the convention.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I know everyone is pissed off right now. But, it is the GOP establishment that is screwing us. If we really want to blame someone, how about our own selves? If we had done in our own states, what Marianne Stebbins and other RP supporters did in Minnesota, the GOP establishment wouldn't have been able to get away with this shit. But, no, we don't ride our own asses, we blame the campaign.

Now why is that?

Excuse me, but Ron Paul WON my state, and we're STILL getting screwed over. Why? Because the LA campaign MADE A DEAL with the RNC; they will only seat 17 delegates when they should be seating 27.

So tell me again, who is to blame??

 

[LibertyEagle]

Excuse me, but Ron Paul WON my state, and we're STILL getting screwed over. Why? Because the LA campaign MADE A DEAL with the RNC; they will only seat 17 delegates when they should be seating 27.

So tell me again, who is to blame??

He did not win the popular vote, did he?

As far as the delegates go, I don't know why the deal was made. But, before I haul off blaming everyone, I want to find out all the facts. But, that's just me. You obviously do not agree.

As far as WHO IS TO BLAME, the corporate media, the GOP establishment, us for not getting in GOP leadership positions all over the country like the supporters did in Minnesota.... No, the campaign has not been perfect, but damn, we act like the Paul's and a handful of people in the campaign are responsible for every damn ill that has occurred throughout history. Do we have any responsibility AT ALL? What if there had been no Pauls. Who would you blame then?

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I don't believe he is. He WANTED to be. But Maine hasn't even been seated yet. Watch them seat them then make Charlie delegate chair and require a delegate chair signature.

We'd make sure it got out, mind you, all the way until november.

If they screw Ron out of his duly elected 5+ states, I really really hope he gets the matching funds and runs third party.

If you think that's even a remote possibility you don't know Ron Paul.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

He wants to build a movement. Wandering off to the sidelines to lick his wounds and be quietly ignored by the news media isn't the way to get his message out. Running third party IS!

-t

Third party would make us irreverent and the laughing stock of politics and doom the liberty movement. Ron would never have them print up $39 million federal reserve notes for a vanity run. Thank heavens Ron is more sensible and has his ego in check before he pulls that stunt.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

He did not win the popular vote, did he?

As far as the delegates go, I don't know why the deal was made. But, before I haul off blaming everyone, I want to find out all the facts. But, that's just me. You obviously do not agree.

As far as WHO IS TO BLAME, the corporate media, the GOP establishment, us for not getting in GOP leadership positions all over the country like the supporters did in Minnesota.... No, the campaign has not been perfect, but damn, we act like the Paul's and a handful of people in the campaign are responsible for every damn ill that has occurred throughout history. Do we have any responsibility AT ALL? What if there had been no Pauls. Who would you blame then?

Cocoa is an anarchist troll LibertyEagle. He's always looking to blame the campaign and divide the movement Dr. Paul helped spawn and dissuade us from working within the GOP.

 

[CPUd]

Based on some of the things Doug Wead has said, and some of the things Ron Paul has not specifically said regarding an independent run, some in the party consider it a real threat for Ron Paul to break off, even now. They already played the VP card to get a bump in the polls, and that is gonna be short-lived. They are counting on this convention to give them another, but if Ron Paul makes such an announcement, he will upstage the GOP at a critical point in their campaign.

 

[KingNothing]

Not going to happen.

I don't know why people are being so delusional now. You've basically been the only level-headed person in this thread!

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Based on some of the things Doug Wead has said, and some of the things Ron Paul has not specifically said regarding an independent run, some in the party consider it a real threat for Ron Paul to break off, even now. They already played the VP card to get a bump in the polls, and that is gonna be short-lived. They are counting on this convention to give them another, but if Ron Paul makes such an announcement, he will upstage the GOP at a critical point in their campaign.

drool... DO IT!

-t