Don't Take Tickets from Romney

[ARealConservative]

If a bunch of people want to send Mitt money to get elected, and he uses that money to buy votes don't come crying to me if someone took your Mitt buys the election money and voted for someone else.

Maybe that will teach you to stop sending money into politicians that buy votes.

 

[jlink7]

It certainly doesn't seem honorable, but, I wonder...are people who take the tickets taking a pledge to support Romney or otherwise obligated?

Are the tickets a gift with strings attached?

Yes, my mom was invited to go with one of these "free" tickets, but she told me that in order to ride the bus and get the ticket she had to sign something that said she agreed to vote for Romney.

 

[Wendi]

I thought I read that the votes will be tallied by paper scantron type ballots - the voter bubbles in his/her choice and the machine counts them. If there is any question, there IS a paper trail that can be verified. So the number of tickets given away is completely irrelevant.

For the record, I agree that it is wrong to take tickets on pretense just as a matter of integrity. BUT at the same time, the candidates cannot legally make voting for them a requirement of getting the free ticket, can they?

 

[Kuldebar]

I thought I read that the votes will be tallied by paper scantron type ballots - the voter bubbles in his/her choice and the machine counts them. If there is any question, there IS a paper trail that can be verified. So the number of tickets given away is completely irrelevant.

For the record, I agree that it is wrong to take tickets on pretense just as a matter of integrity. BUT at the same time, the candidates cannot legally make voting for them a requirement of getting the free ticket, can they?

I agree. There's nothing legally binding by signing that pledge.

But, as you well know, legal and moral are often two different things.

 

[Matt Collins]

It comes to the fundamental question: "does the end justify the means"?


I would personally like to think everyone will play fair, but this is the big league and it's dirty, and nasty, and corrupt. Should we sink to the lowest common denominator and be pragmatic and do what it takes to get the job done increasing our chances of winning, or should we hold ourselves to higher lofty ideals and morals (even though the competition will not) just to prove a point even though in doing so we might lose thus causing more harm to our country by NOT having Dr. Paul in office?

 

[jpa]

this campaign wins on ideals and morals. period

 

[Sematary]

I don't believe there is any obligation to vote for the candidate who gave you the tickets. They are hoping their "generosity" will turn into a vote but that is no guarantee.

 

[Kuldebar]

I don't believe there is any obligation to vote for the candidate who gave you the tickets. They are hoping their "generosity" will turn into a vote but that is no guarantee.

Read back a few posts, it appears there is a pledge you sign stating you will cast a vote for Romney. Of course, it isn't legally binding or in any way enforceable...but the conscience holds sway and each person must decide.

 

[tmg19103]

Do what ya got to do to vote for RP. Do WHATEVER it takes for you personally. Romney's tickets are bought and paid for by Wall Street hedge fund money that has only one thing in mind - making the rich richer while destroying the middle class.

 

[sickmint79]

i would feel no qualms about taking his tickets. i'd listen to what he had to say but i would vote for who i believed in. if you believe everyone he pays to get in should vote for him aren't you saying that the election can simply be bought?

 

[4Horsemen]

It seems like a growing number of people think it is OK to take tickets from Romney and then vote for Ron Paul.

I disagree. I see it as a matter of integrity. And isn't that what we like about Ron Paul, in comparison to other candidates?

But, even if you are not concerned about integrity, be concerned about the results of the Straw Poll. Be concerned that if there if there is anything about the final vote that comes under question, Romney can always verify the number of tickets he gave away.

As was mentioned in another thread, and as I just read in an article, Ron Paul is the talk of Iowa and in Ames this week. He is "rising from relative obscurity to growing popularity". There's a chance that he could win. Don't mess that up by taking tickets from Romney.

If there is anyone who wants to hack the results, don't make it easier for them! That would be stupid!!!

If there are those trying to make sure that Ron Paul does not win, there could even be someone here urging us to take tickets from Romney. Wouldn't that be a perfect strategy? We vote for him, the vote is rigged, Romney "wins", he can certify the number of tickets he gave away.

"But for freedom to really work, you have to have a moral society." ---Ron Paul, at Austin fundraiser on May 20.

Thanks a lot, now the media is going to blame Mitt's loss on RP supporters stealing his tickets. Please don't feed the damn trolls anymore, thanx.

 

[richard1984]

People are free to do what they want . . . That's the whole point of this campaign, right?

Absolutely not! That's a gross misinterpretation of our mission--which is to uphold the law of the land: The Constitution. Being allowed to smoke herb (for example) is totally different than being allowed to lie, cheat, or steal. Know what I'm sayin'?

 

[paulitics]

I think it is up to the individual. I guaranteed people will change their votes when they get to the place no matter what. Why? Its human nature. People are free loaders, they don't give a crap about Mitt Romney and ethics, unless they are die hard supporters. I looked at the polls. 35% have not made up their mind yet. Mitt Romney knows this. He is trying to get some sort of psychological agreement by getting them to sign piece of paper.

People like free. 35.00 is a rip off to vote. There will be free loaders, there will be other guys doing it to us. Its a circus. On a personal level, I would not do it because of my principals. But I can't change human nature. And normal every day people will be tempted by the free ride.

Just want to add, we should not be doing the encouraging. Its up to the voters.

 

[winston84]

This is a tough issue, because you have to consider that Ron Paul is making the same offer. If you look at the official RP website it says...

The presidential campaign of Ron Paul (R-Tex) has a block of tickets available for any Iowan resident who wishes to vote in the upcoming straw poll for Ron Paul.

So no, I would discourage using Romney's tickets because I certainly wouldn't want the opposition doing the same. If you need an Ames ticket just get one from Ron Paul.

 

[richard1984]

I think that we (as Ron Paul supporters) should try our very best to pull our own weight. That's what we are going to have to do if Ron Paul wins. We can't all become a bunch of pickpockets.

Just leave Mitt alone. I would be ashamed if he paid my way into the Straw Poll.

I feel slimy just thinking about it. There ain't no way I'd ever want to be a hair on Mitten's slick, greasy head.
bleh..Yuck!

 

[Bob Cochran]

I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Sleazy is as sleazy does. Who ever said there is any integrity in politics?

NOT the way to go.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

Someone posted a article about Bush and the straw poll. In the article it pointed out that Bush had given 10,000 tickets. He received around 6000 votes. So where did the other 4,000 go? votes for OTHER candidates. We only have so many tickets available from the campaign, if this is done to us it will hurt much, much more than other campaigns. But, It will happen.... yet again you all want to play nice. Make sure we are all PC and great. THIS IS WAR! you all still don't get that... yes playing dirty sucks ass and is wrong.... but we will not win by playing fair.

 

[dsentell]

I agree with UtahApocalypse.

Keep in mind that this is a REVOLUTION. We are fighting our battle with our hard earned dimes and quarters facing an army with an unending supply of millions (even billions) of dollars. We must use every weapon we can get our hands on.

We only have one chance. If we lose, we lose everything -- our freedom, our liberty, our country.

So, pull out all the stops. Fight like you are fighting for your life, your liberty, your country. Because you are.

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

Keep in mind, this is not a real election. It's really just an overblown media poll. So accepting a ticket from one candidate and voting for another isn't vote tampering or election fraud. Think of it as messing with Frank Lutz.

 

[monotony]

If the choice is between taking Mitt's tickets and voting, or not going, take the tickets and vote. Not voting out of some kind of moral principle may feel good to you on the inside, but it is worse for everyone else in the country. The moral thing is to take the tickets if you otherwise can't afford it.