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That Campaign e-mail was definitely written and approved by Ron himself. I can him in every word I read!!!

Perhaps the best message from the Campaign this year!!! We are making history and I will be damned if I want this Movement for Personal Liberty to stop.!!!
A agree and felt the same way when I read it. Definitely a totally different vibe.
 
I agree, that email had a very different vibe to it. It wasn't the usual fundraising email full of one-liners and the more generic phrases we've heard several times. It was heartfelt. It was sincere. And while I think the ENTIRE email couldn't have been written by Ron because he's too humble to ask for donations, I think a BIG PART of the email -- the motivational part -- WAS written by the good Doctor himself.

I'm pretty much broke at this point, and I could NOT pass up this opportunity to stand with the man we revere, the man who has been the embodiment of courage and conviction.
 
I hear a lot about hopes on these forums, about what we should or shouldn't have them about and about when or when not to 'get them up'. I want to comment about hopes.



I don't have hopes I have goals. Bear with me hear because I think these particular conceptual hairs need splitting.

It is my experience that problems take care of themselves, meaning that a problem will be there whether you spend time talking about it/focusing on it or not.
Resolutions on the other hand rarely manifest themselves with action that roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty gritty stuff.

"Hope" is a rather free floating thing, a "I'm already falling I hope there's water rather than sharp rocks below" sort of thing.
"Fatalism" is more of "I'm already falling I'm going to picture how bad it could be when I hit bottom and all the ways I could have not fallen"
"Action" then is "I'm falling, what best can I do to stop or survive this fall"

I'm sure not everyone will take to my particular definitions but the point remains the same, I'm not talking about how likely a nomination is or isn't I'm talking about what can be done to move towards that goal actions you see. Out side of the question of which methods are more effective I don't concern myself with probabilities. Because frankly in what I have observed as well as what I've read in historical accounts very little of potency and import has been accomplished by those who weren't willing to buck the odds and try for what they were told they couldn't/shouldn't.

Will I still seek liberty even if the nomination goes awry? Of course.
However I don't see any more functional merit to playing for the next set of elections than in taking actions here and now during this one.
Considering how things are now, how much worse they've gotten in the past three presidential terms and how much more still is in the pipe I'm not going to simply hope that the liberty movement elects sufficient congressional representatives to counter balance the effects of the rest of the congress combined with an Obamney White House. What if we elected 5 more Rands to the Senate and 20 more Rons to the House (even leaving aside if we have that many to run) how much would that really accomplish when it comes down to the mathematics of voting against things like the TSA, "Patriot" Act, NDAA, hiking the debt limit, funding undeclared wars, etc? If memory serves even if we managed to do both of those things it still wouldn't be enough vote wise to alter the outcomes of any of those votes (govtrack.us if anyone wants to double check me on that).

When people talk about this being a long game they're right, we have a long way to go to accomplish our goals, the reverse is NOT also true.
We don't have a long time to right our course before the current bad becomes profoundly worse.
Does anyone on these forums seriously believe that (sans a Paul White House) it will be easier/'more realistic' to seat 60 liberty Senators and 261 Representatives (the numbers needed to provide the ability to overcome veto and Filibuster) ?
Just because the road back from the cliff is long does not mean the road left until the cliff has very much left.

It's a long road, which is why we have no time to waste on waiting, and as far as I can see giving up on big goals because their unlikely in favor of smaller goals that we hope will signal the start of change, is just a prettied up form of waiting.
(Note: I think everyone who can should run for whatever position at whatever level they can, I wholeheartedly support that but let's not pretend that having 1/3 of the PCOs nation wide and 1/5 of Congress will on it's own directly result in very much tangible change. )
Our economy and our liberties will not bear another decade (let alone two, let alone more) of damage on top of what Obama and W have done... not if we wish to retain a nation or way of life that is recognizable during those decades in question. (Who in the 1990s let alone before would have said 'nude' body scans, highway check points, assassination of citizens based on 'secrete' evidence, torture, indefinite military detention of suspects, warrant-less tapping of our calls and correspondence, and proposals CIA spy drone tech in our skies were things that would ever be seen, let alone accepted within the day to day of american life?)

"The true danger is when Liberty is nibbled away, for expedients and by parts.... The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men do nothing."
 
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Will I still seek liberty even if the nomination goes awry? Of course. However I don't see any more functional merit to playing for the next set of elections than in taking actions here and now during this one. Considering how things are now, how much worse they've gotten in the past three presidential terms and how much more still is in the pipe I'm not going to simply hope that the liberty movement elects sufficient congressional representatives to counter balance the effects of the rest of the congress combined with an Obamney White House. What if we elected 5 more Rands to the Senate and 20 more Rons to the House (even leaving aside if we have that many to run) how much would that really accomplish when it comes down to the mathematics of voting against things like the TSA, "Patriot" Act, NDAA, hiking the debt limit, funding undeclared wars, etc? If memory serves even if we managed to do both of those things it still wouldn't be enough vote wise to alter the outcomes of any of those votes (govtrack.us if anyone wants to double check me on that).

When people talk about this being a long game they're right, we have a long way to go to accomplish our goals, the reverse is NOT also true.
We don't have a long time to right our course before the current bad becomes profoundly worse. Does anyone on these forums seriously believe that (sans a Paul White House) it will be easier/'more realistic' to seat 60 liberty Senators and 261 Representatives (the numbers needed to provide the ability to overcome veto and Filibuster) ? Just because the road back from the cliff is long does not mean the road left until the cliff has very much left.

Excellent post -- you make so many important points, I don't have enough rep to give you. I took the liberty of highlighting a couple of key statements.
 
How can we get in touch with Peter Theil? We need to convince him and Endorse Liberty to continue funding the campaign. A few more million from Theil is a drop in the bucket but would go a long way towards helping this campaign continue to move forward.

I suspect Peter Thiel and the other PAC-funders are reading the same emails we are reading from Ron Paul's signature.
 
That was a nice day yesterday, pulling in just over $100K in donations! That's the spirit.
 
I've definitely hit critical now! I've been focused to much on the campaign I kind of forgot to follow up on that student loan deferment (I got fired from my crap job) and it went into default. That sucks. As such, in my signature I'm promoting a product by a guy I've been working on, and he's giving me a commission on sales. Little does he know, it's mostly going to Ron Paul's campaign while the rest is going to pay off my debt. :(

For me, freedom is priority!
 
If you guys are resting all of your hopes on Ron Paul I think you are in for a big dissapointment. Having a nice chunk of the senate/congress on our side would do far more than hoping for a brokered convention and then hoping again it will swing in Ron's favor, do what you want with your money/time obviously.


Butchie, I understand your sentiment. You want to be as effective with your resources as possible. I think all of us here agree with that. I'm in Virginia's 6th CD where Karen Kwiatkowski is running for Congress and although I've volunteered and performed some leg work for her campaign, all of my contributions go to Ron Paul. I'm embarrassed to say that the people in my district look to the national scene to determine their support at the local level. The political phrase is "coattails" not "floorjacks" for a reason. For Karen to have any chance to primary a popular 10 term incumbent, it will be on Ron Paul's coattails. To get her into office, we have to make Ron Paul as successful as possible.
 
Is my coattails theory that bad? or did this thread just scroll off the first page?
 
Butchie, I understand your sentiment. You want to be as effective with your resources as possible. I think all of us here agree with that. I'm in Virginia's 6th CD where Karen Kwiatkowski is running for Congress and although I've volunteered and performed some leg work for her campaign, all of my contributions go to Ron Paul. I'm embarrassed to say that the people in my district look to the national scene to determine their support at the local level. The political phrase is "coattails" not "floorjacks" for a reason. For Karen to have any chance to primary a popular 10 term incumbent, it will be on Ron Paul's coattails. To get her into office, we have to make Ron Paul as successful as possible.

This political phenomenon has a lot of historical traction too it. Simply put the majority of voters don't research deeply so they vote for who/what they are comfortable with, which means what they know and that which is endorsed by/associated with what they know.
Even among the politically savvy members of RPF (and yes the average level of know how here is a cut, if not two or three, above the standard voting curve) you can see 'coattails' in action. Just think how many voters wouldn't even know of liberty candidates (let alone how many wouldn't even be running) if not for Dr. Paul.
There's more of a conversation on the issues and how the interconnect, there are more personal connections and thus people who can vouch for the legitimacy of liberty candidates. Even Rons Official Campaign has already created some degree of a coattails effect by training and inspiration for many local supporters to run for party offices. Also the 'fair weather friends' who dance like weather-vanes to the prevailing political winds *cough*Romney*cough* at various levels (esp federal) will become at least more receptive if not actually supportive. The White House is not just an office, it's a symbol, and a symbol of that potency would have an impact on the perceived legitimacy of the liberty movement. Anyone who's talked about how important a 1st place straw poll state would be/is should understand this fully, to occupy the white house is the mother of all momentum creators for federal politics. On top of which it would put a liberty defender (Ron Paul) in a position to hold the line for four years giving the movement not only momentum but the traction to grow into a much more formidable force.
Without the advantages that the white house grants? Well things are going to get even more up hill than they are this election cycle (I have read reports from many voters turned away for various reason and GOP insiders talking about altering how nominations are handled in their area to protect the insiders. There have been rules changes after votes where being counted in Ohio to block everyone on the ballot except the incumbent establishment candidate. And I know at least one Idaho voter cut out of the PCO process by the way the party has stacked it's regulations). The proceeding parenthetical is a growing trend and what we're seeing now is only what they've done on the fly, just wait until they've had 2-4 years to work on it.
We need wins, in the sense of liberty people elected and holding offices, this election or the next time round the fight is going to be even more stacked against us, it will be harder. If we win elections the reverse happens and we're facing a more even playing field next cycle than this one but that's the situation, this election is double down for the liberty movement, that bet has already been made (was made the moment we started seeking party and political office as an organized political force, made when Paul decided to make a real push to win this year and go after delegates) if we fall short now there will be a price paid and we'll have to fight even harder to accomplish our goals.

So lets make this happen in 2012
 
Butchie, I understand your sentiment. You want to be as effective with your resources as possible. I think all of us here agree with that. I'm in Virginia's 6th CD where Karen Kwiatkowski is running for Congress and although I've volunteered and performed some leg work for her campaign, all of my contributions go to Ron Paul. I'm embarrassed to say that the people in my district look to the national scene to determine their support at the local level. The political phrase is "coattails" not "floorjacks" for a reason. For Karen to have any chance to primary a popular 10 term incumbent, it will be on Ron Paul's coattails. To get her into office, we have to make Ron Paul as successful as possible.

OK, I can respect that, here's what I fear tho: As Ron stays in he becomes a "sideshow" of sorts, already I have seen a few articles making fun of Ron and his lack of success, not to mention being hyped yet still coming in 3rd, even in a place like Alaska. Now ofcourse, bad press is nothing new, but it seems to be taking a different turn now. He was mostly ignored, or called unelectable, now it's more the meme that he's just a joke with a diluded group of followers who have no idea they are a laughing stock.

My 2nd fear: Everyone starts rallying behind Romney, they just want to get on with the election and start the Obama bashing, Ron "sticks it out", the entire past/present/future GOP start to see him as a pain in the butt who just won't get out of the way, the vast majority of voters who simply ignored him now start to actually hate him.

So we either have Ron ending his career as a walking joke or a hated "saboteur", neither good for his legacy or the future, just how I see it, I could be wrong, hope I am.
 
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My 2nd fear: Everyone starts rallying behind Romney, they just want to get on with the election and start the Obama bashing, Ron "sticks it out", the entire past/present/future GOP start to see him as a pain in the butt who just won't get out of the way, the vast majority of voters who simply ignored him now start to actually hate him.

Other than the media hype, I'm not seeing the GOP coalescing behind Romney. The proof of that is with Virginia among other states. If Ron was irrelevant and if people were really on board with Romney, he should have easily won that state by 75%+. Yet he couldn't even break 60% against a guy who's been blacked out by the media! The people who voted for Ron were either supporters or neocons so against Romney that they're willing to vote for Paul.

Most of Paul's supporters aren't going to rally behind Romney anyway, so he's not spoiling anything. This is Romney's race to lose. What's important now is that the message of liberty reaches as many eyes and ears as possible. Paul is the only person popular enough to deliver that message, so it's worth it to keep him in the race. And as unlikely as it is, you never know what may happen.
 
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My 2nd fear: Everyone starts rallying behind Romney, they just want to get on with the election and start the Obama bashing, Ron "sticks it out", the entire past/present/future GOP start to see him as a pain in the butt who just won't get out of the way, the vast majority of voters who simply ignored him now start to actually hate him.

Doubt it -- there's a lot of anti-Romney sentiment in the GOP.

Ron already sticks out, and he is already a pain in the butt for the GOP, and he's definitely not interested in getting out of the way, and neither are we as the liberty movement. :-D

A lot of voters who ignore him are ALREADY negative toward him, or were negative since before Iowa... Media has already done its job to portray Ron early on as a long-shot, a spoiler, then racist, then inept, then 3rd-party candidate, then a guy who can't win a state. It's always something. When he wins a state, it will be "oh, but you only won one state, are you still considering 3rd party?" It never ends. Get used to it. :-)

Ron's legacy won't change whether he stays the course through the convention or drops out now. In fact, his legacy would probably be lot taller if he stays all the way through, which is what he pledged to do.
 
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